June 21, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi George,Those frame rates look impressive but then I remind myself of your system spec. The 2405 shots are with a AMD 4800 / 7800GTX SLI system thereby reinforcing my belief that I do need a very fast system to run a 24" at native.I've checked the 6800 Ultra performance against my 9800 Pro on Tom's Hardware and it's roughly twice as fast. I searched my usual computer suppliers site for a 6800 Ultra and it was over 200UKP which is far too much for a system with about 6-9 months life left.THanks for taking the time to post screenshots. The views are truly wonderful and as I run with a full forward view I can look forward to a truly great experience when I do eventually buy it. My instruments are provided by Project Magenta - the full Boeing Glass Cockpit which if you're serious about IFR really does press all the right buttons :-)It's been very useful researching this screen. I will definitely buy it once I have a system that can do it justice.Cheers, Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 21, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi Ed,Not yet but it's only a matter of time. I've left it too late to buy a replacement AGP card now as they're both hard to find and would have a short life. I'll bide my time and just dream of what I have to look forward to.The price is slowly coming down but it's still around 670UKP or 1200USD.Cheers, Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 21, 200619 yr Ray,GBP586.33 inc at http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/20__TFT_Displays.htmlGeorge
June 22, 200619 yr Author Moderator Thanks George :-wave Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 23, 200619 yr Ray:It is prolly best to buy a powerful system and newer generation video card with it. I already had the DELL 3.80Ghz XPS with ATI X850XT PE card and just by happenstance, I stumbled on a sale for the DELL 2405 so I got it instantly without even thinking much about performance. Luckily it works great. I run it in the native res of 1920x1200x32 along with another DELL 19" LCD for FSNav and instruments. The 2405 is bloody fantastic with amazing color, brightness, and detail. It is panoramic and everybody goes "Wow! THAT is amazing!". I generally have good frames--they're capped at 24, although the range can actually run up to about 200 fps on my system depending on the weather and a/c I use--but once you add clouds, AI, and so on, fps fall a great deal, so I cap things to ensure fluidity which I have almost all the time. I don't think you can run the 2405 well with much less. The ATI 850 and 3.80 are a pretty impressive team: I can run an enlarged SPOT 01 window on monitor 2 and expand it to about 12"x9" for spectacular outside views while flying inside the cockpit on the 2405. One of the nicest surprises about the 2405 is the near total lack of distortion of 2-D panels (I still don't really like flying the VC that much but I do enjoy it for eye candy purposes). Only the default Cessna looks slightly distorted but everything else--and my fleet is vast with many different freeware and payware panels--looks just sensational.The advantage of a bigger system is you can also run a ton of hardware without trouble too because you have a huge power supply unit. I have a CH yoke, rudder, and throttle quad, and also 9 GoFlight units in two stacks with USB hubs. It's like having an airliner and airfield in your living room! Cheers,JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
June 23, 200619 yr You can get a fairly good idea of the performance impact by running FS with your current settings at the max res your current monitor supports and comparing it with a lower res setting, particularly in complex graphics scenarios like multi-cloud layers, lots of AI and a major airport. If the FPS are similar, which in my experience is usually the case (even with a 9800 Pro), then the move to a 24" widescreen should be pretty painless.Gary 9800X3D | 4090 | 64GB | 2+1TB NVME | 2TB SSD | 2TB HDD | 85/50/43” TVs | Quest 3 | DOF H3 Motion Rig | Buttkicker | T.16000M Flight Kit MSFS @ 4K Ultra DLSS Performance FG 80 FPS | VR VDXR Godlike 80Hz SSW | MSFS VR DLSS Quality, Ultra Preset - Windows 11 Acer Nitro 5 | i5-11400H | RTX 3060 6 GB | 32GB DDR4 | 15.6" FHD IPS 144Hz | 2 x 512 GB SSD | Windows 11
June 23, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi JS,You speak wise words. Logic tells me that if my current 9800Pro is struggling to display detailed scenery admittedly with all sliders to max at 1280*1024 then it wouldn't stand a hope in h*ll of feeding a 1920*1200 signal to the 2405.That you get good results with a X850XT is good news. Less so that your system also includes a Xeon 3.8 as the price of those would leave me eating jam butties for a couple of years to pay for one! :-lolThe lack of distortion on 2D panels is also good news. Although I use Project Magenta software for my Boeing fleet (PMDG 737) I also fly Concorde and that experience on a 24" should be memorable.I haven't mentioned it before but I run a second PC via WideFS and that helps with FS9 peformance. The good news is once I get my new system my P4 3.0 will become the second PC and that is a lot more powerful than my Athlon 2000.Sounds like our systems are not too different. I also have the CH gear and a GoFlight stack. The 24" monitor will be the icing on the cake.Thanks for all that good info which I hope will help others. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 23, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi reset,As I have a TFT screen I'm already running at max res and couldn't afford to go any higher with a new screen. I'm getting around 9fps coming into EGLL at 1280*1024 and that is barely acceptable. I also use AS6 which has helped a lot of cloud performance.Adding extra terrain such as FSGlobal, Ultimate Terraina and GE has really pushed my 9800 to the limit. If I flew into default airports in a default aircraft I probably could increase resolution and still have acceptable performance but not at any addon airports.Thanks. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 25, 200619 yr Well, in my experience when I jumped from a 9800 pro to a 6800 GT then an X800 is that whilst my highest frame rates went up significantly, my lowest frame rates barely budged. I still get roughly 10 FPS at EGLL with high AI traffic, high autogen and crappy weather on ANY of my rigs, and that includes:- the desktop rig in my sig- the notebook rig in my sig- my son's Athlon XP 3200, 1G RAM, 128M 9800 pro (OK, maybe a couple of FPS less on this one, but only 1 or 2)- my wife's 1.66GHz duo core, 1G RAM, 256M X1400I no longer chase FPS in FS2004 because of this and eagerly await FSX to hopefully unleash more GPU potential.Gary 9800X3D | 4090 | 64GB | 2+1TB NVME | 2TB SSD | 2TB HDD | 85/50/43” TVs | Quest 3 | DOF H3 Motion Rig | Buttkicker | T.16000M Flight Kit MSFS @ 4K Ultra DLSS Performance FG 80 FPS | VR VDXR Godlike 80Hz SSW | MSFS VR DLSS Quality, Ultra Preset - Windows 11 Acer Nitro 5 | i5-11400H | RTX 3060 6 GB | 32GB DDR4 | 15.6" FHD IPS 144Hz | 2 x 512 GB SSD | Windows 11
June 25, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi Gary,If you're still getting 10fps at EGLL after a card upgrade then that's why I won't be upgrading. I'm not bothered about 100fps in clear skies if it drops to 10 or lower at complex airports. And with my system having a limited life there's no point spending any more money on it.I don't chase fps either but once it drops below 15 it does rather grab your attention :-( A chain is only as strong as its weakest link ;-)Cheers, Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 26, 200619 yr Hi Ray,First, all I can say is that this is one fantastic monitor, bright and crisp, especially for the price. But as was said above, you need to have very serious "oomf" to drive it. I have an FX-60/Nvidia 7900GTX overclocked to 3GHz and 715MHz respectively (or 400MHz/65MHz over spec).I run in 1920x1200x32, 85% traffic, with most eye candy turned on except for an 80 mile limit on clouds and ActiveSky 6, anisotropic setting to 5, aliasing forced in the Nvidia control panel to 4x, and rendering set to "performance" for textures, also in the control panel.On a complex and detailed VC cockpit such as the Captain Sim C-130 or the PMDG 744, I typically run about 21-25FPS. Using Gary Widup's excellent KDEN, I get down to about 14-18 in the VC when I look directly at the traffic and the airport with thunderstorm activity and otherwise broken clouds.In the 2D panels, I'm usually +5 FPS over this.EM
June 27, 200619 yr Author Moderator Hi EM,What a fantastic system. You must be really pleased with FS performance. Thanks for that useful info. I've been left in no doubt that I need a seriously powerful graphics card and meaty processor to get the best out of FSX at 1920*1200.I say FSX because I won't be building a new system until it's out and hardware requirements become clear. I run FS9 with all sliders set to max and the lowest frames I get are inbound to busy airports such as KLAX and EGLL with Ai traffic set to 100%. I don't like compromise :-)It isn't so long ago that 1024*768 was considered state-of-the-art. How times change. Whilst 1920*1200 sounds amazingly detailed it's only one notch higher than 1280*1024 on a 19" 4:3 monitor with the widescreen aspect increasing the horizontal pixel count. The equivalent 4:3 resolution would be 1600*1200.And of course if FSX can take advantage of SLI cards then that really opens up the possibility of very high frame rates at these resolutions.Finally, for most of my flying, I can take advantage of having no panel visible which will increase frame rates even further. Running Project Magenta Boeing software on a my second PC via WideFS gives me superb instrumentation and for anyone who is serious about flying jets there is no finer software.Thanks, Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
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