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I just received this email showing the inclosed view. I STILL can not pin down the correct answer to this question. With the Matrox tripple head 2 go is the below one view (the center) view from FS2004, SPREAD over three diffreant monitors or is it THREE DIFFERANT views each on it's own monitor. The people that use more than one monitor, what do you think? Thanks for your opinion. jerrycwo4

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There is a product that connects the 3 monitors ( I think it is called Matrox TripleHead2 go dig edition http://shopmatrox.com or www.matrx.com.)It looks grat, however I still use 3 monitors running of of 2 v-cards. I guess it will be time soon to learn more about the new gear and uprade one of these days. Thank you.Mark.System:OS:MS Windows XP Professional, Ver 2002 Service Pack 2 Hardware:Intel Pentium® 4 CPU 2.802.84 GHz, 3.00 GB of RAM Radeon X1600 Pro 512MB running a 21/19.6 Sony Flat Screen Tubed Monitorand a 17/16 NEC/Mitsubishi Tubed MonitorGeForce FX 5200 128MB running a NEC/Mitsubishi 18 Flat Panel.

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Jerry- It's my understanding that the TH2Go shows one view stretched over 3 monitors. Because of this, it works well for virtual cockpit setups but not for 2D, where the gauges get severely "ovalized" by the stretching. I believe that the top/bottom of the view is sheared off to fit the wide perspective of 3 monitors.If you want more than the 90

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Alex thanks for the good info. So I am to believe that it is possible to show 3 DIFFERANT views at the same time on three DIFFERANT monitors in the 2d mode, for a 180 degree FOV? Where is the best place to get info on the hardware and/or sofware to do this and how to hook them up. jerrycwo4

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Hi Jerry,with the current hardware possibilities, there is no way that you could have 3 windows in 3D mode for the left, front, and right views without a severe penalty on FPS.The options you have in my opinion are: - TripleHead2Go with one computer (already a vast improvement to the front view on one monitor), with optionnally the Track-IR software (for changing views); - 3 (or 5) computers connected in a network each one displaying one view with the wideview software (Left, Front, Right) or (Left, Front left, Front, Front right, Right) (website www.wideview.it)Hope this helps.

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Patrick-Sorry, it's really quite easy to run triple views- LFwd,Fwd,RFwd from a single processor and it doesn't have to be a supercomputer. I'm doing just this on my ancient AMD XP2200 1.8GHz system with triple GeForce FX5200 video cards. Runs FS9 just fine at mid range settings- producing a 180

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Clarification to the above: Line 5 should read "Video card" rather than "computer card". Apologies- Alex Reid

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Alex, thanks so much for taking the time to write all of the above. It puts me a lot closer to my goal. My main flight computer now is a 2.6 Mg ABS computer and it has 2 differant video cards in it already. I also have 3 other computers in a 4 computer network so mabe I could use one of the other video cardsin another computer. Thanks for the good info. jerrycwo4

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Just to add to what's been said before, and what I posted under the other thread, I have the TrackIR and I've investigated the Triple Head to Go. I've decided to take a pass on 3HTG for now: the biggest draw back for me is the fact that the manufacturer recommends 3 identical monitors -- same size, same resolution, definately same bezel width, etc., otherwise you won't be able to line everything up correctly. I've seen a picture when the new bezel management feature doesn't work, and even an 8th of an inch off is unacceptable with multiscreen views. Since I have two computers -- one good, one less good, I very happy with my lower cost alternative: WideView 2004, one 17 inch flat panel looking forward and 2 15 inchers for 51* views left and right. I get very high frame rates (I have Ultimate Terrain and FS Genesis, ActiveSky 6.5, Flight Environment Pro, and Ground Environment Pro, all running in the background on both machines!) and a perfect 180 degree field of view. It took me several hours to get the zoom factors and angles just right on my monitors, but now that that's over I really couldn't be happier with my 3 screen flight sim experience.Smooth skies!Chuck B

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how might one set up something like this? I read the description above that described using 3 different old video cards, I'd assume those video cards were PCI cards which most motherboards have multiple slots for. However most newer computers only have one or two slots for video cards (PCI-express or AGP). Are there video cards out there that can run more than one monitor? I've got a couple extra monitors laying around that I could potentially add to my current system (my main monitor is a 22" widescreen Acer, but I've got a pair of 17" CRTs laying around).

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You have to have a dual head card to run 2 monitors on the same computer -- you know a card is dual head because there are 2 VGA or Digital output receptacles where you plug both monitors in. I just bought this monster (it barely fits into my computer case!) and you can see that it has outputs for TWO monitors on it:<< http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...PRO%2b512MB%2b2 >>In order to run 3 or 4 monitors on one computer I think you need a mother board and video cards that support crossfire technology, but I'm not sure. I use WideView 2004 and 2 computers for my 3 monitor set up, which works great, so I'm sure someone with more technical knowledge than I can weigh in here for more info about 3 or 4 monitors on one computer.Smooth skies!Chuck B.

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My hardware uses a Dual head AGP GeForce FX5200 card and a single PCI card of same type. I'm not a techie, so can't advise much here. I've read that some newer video cards can drive two monitors but if you're like me, you should talk to someone with hardware knowhow - perhaps your local computer shop.Hardware wise, what you want is two (or better still) 3 monitors active. (Quite common these days- it's also wonderful for editing/referencing/typing multiple text documents when not flying!) Once you've got that, the rest is simple setup-1. Extend desktop so that mouse travels freely across the monitors.2. Set up FS with L/R views created/undocked/dragged/sized/set to L or R Fwd View plus popup gauges the same. (We're talking 2D- not Virtual cockpit.)3. Adjust the L,R view angles in Panel Config to correspond to actual bezel widths. This synchronizes the horizon in Roll/Pitch and effectively removes bezels as "obstructions"- in exactly the same way that car windshield pillars are not "seen". 4. Apply zoom to any smaller monitor so that all the scenery elements are all same size. (The ratio of monitor AREA- one mon to another.)5. Save the flight so you don't have to do this again! I usually save two- one ready for T/O on a runway, the other cold/dark at a ramp.I've previously described all this in some detail- search the Forums of recent weeks for author-"january".And yes- mixing monitors is not a problem- mine are L-R, a 17" LCD plus two ancient 19" CRTs.Good luck- I guarantee that when you get it working, you'll agree it beats any Add On scenery! Alex Reid

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Chuck- My processor is a five year old AMD XP2200 1.8 GHz processor on an ASUS A7N8X-X board . Single processor/no WideView/no TH2GO ! Works just fine with triple GeForce FX5200 video cards for triple views in FS9. I'm not sure what crossfire technology is but I doubt very much that I've got it!Alex Reid

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If you're like me and like to fly in 2D cockpit view, and if you don't want to mess with opening and closing the panel.cfg file every time to adjust the point of view on your left or right views, you can add the following line to your FS9.cfg file which will allow panning in 2D panel views:In the (CONTROLS) section add: pan_in_cockpit_mode=1Set up your views as above, and then save as your default flight. Works every time for me.Smooth skies.Chuck B.

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Good to know Alex. I've got an ATI x1300 Pro sitting on my shelf at home that ain't doin' nuthin', and tonight we'll see what it can do for me!Like I said, I don't know much about crossfire technology but I suspect someone here will chime in about it soon and how it impacts FS2004.I love my 3 panel set up, and I can't believe I ever flew any other way. My biggest problem lately, though, is that I can't get enough monitors. Must have more monitors! I feel like I'm soon going to need to check in to Multi-View Rehab or something.Smooth skies!Chuck

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Chuck- I'm not quite sure what you're saying re pan--etc.The view angle adjustment for bezel width in multi views is done with the Panel Config line-VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT(or left)_DIR=x.xxx, y.yyy, z.zzzz is the starting angle for the view- default being 45.000 for RFwd. In my case, with a combined bezel width of 3 3/8", that equates (for my eye to bezel distance), to an angle of 9

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All I'm saying, Alex, is that I don't bother with the Panel.cfg file any more. With the above mentioned pan in 2D view added to my FS9.cfg file, I simply use the hat switch so I just open up my two views on my two monitors side by side and then line thme up visually, and then save the flight. That way, there's no need for me to keep going back and forth monitoring my progress with changes to the panel.cfg files of my various aircraft - I found that my math was always just a little off and I would need to fine tune my adjustments.Mine is just a manual variation of what you do -- it only takes me about 30 seconds at the beginning of each flight.Smooth skies!Chuck B.

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Here you go. 1 computer. 1 AGP card, 1 PCI card, 4 monitors. Simple. Center view, Forward left, forward right views and panel view (or whatever pop up U want there). 2d only for me. Just a few tweaks (thanks to Alex) to whatever panel.cfg plane and you're off. Once you fiddle with it once, just copy paste the lines into whatever plane you want to fly. Pardon the simpit, its not finished yet.BTW, the PCI card was $56.00 and I had the other monitors laying around.http://eecherrors.homestead.com/pit17.jpg http://eecherrors.homestead.com/monitor3.jpghttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/pit14.jpghttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/pit12.jpghttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/pit15.jpghttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/pit18.jpg

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Kimchoc- Great pics / terrific cockpit!! I'm delighted it works so well for you. What are your processor,vid card specs?There's a widespread view (excuse the pun) that multi views are not possible without networked multi processors- here's proof that there is nothing magical in this- one CPU does all! Once you've tried multi views & a 180

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Kimchoc: Just to benchmark my rig, what kind of frame rates do you get on that one computer? Are you running any "stressful" addons like ActiveSky, Ultimate Terrain, PMDG, or anything like that?Thanks for any specifics you can provide so I can know if something's wrong with my set up.Thanks, and smooth skies!Chuck B.

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AMD 3400, 754 platform, 1 GB ram, RAID0, ATI 1900 AGP, cant remember the PCI card but it is ATI also.I am probably mid to a little lower in video settings. The biggest FPS killer was AI traffic. I had to turn down to 17%. But actually,its a decent tradeoff. I Locked the FPS at 22 and of course get that while in the air. Same old story, get near busy airport, FPS hits the skids. I'd say medium settings for video is about right for me. No extras, I run Flightkeeper, FDC and AIsmooth. I did install a separate sound card to free up every inch of processor speed. Nothing overclocked. I used to run THIS setup :http://www.eecherrors.homestead.com/updown.jpghttp://www.eecherrors.homestead.com/controls.jpghttp://www.eecherrors.homestead.com/latestpic.jpgI could get a lot more FPS with that as I only used the AGP card. But for the price of a PCI and two more monitors, I have a nicer setup. Its ALL about the panoramic view. Once you go towards that direction, you cant fly with one monitor any more. You have to think ahead and plan on going to Matrox Trip head OR several computers. I am staying away from networked computers because I get irrate and terribly mad when I spend 30 mins setting up a flight and taxi to the runway and the #### game CTD's to the desktop. I made a vow to keep it simple. No networked computers. Where to go from here? well, dual core processor, more ram, and maybe a Matrox Trip head. But that is simply on the upgrade path. As we all know, its a constant upgrade to fly MSFA. Hope this helps.

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Chuck- Re your query to Kimchoc- Multi View FPS. My system is likely the oldest/ lowest powered hardware around- I would expect newer, faster 'puters to perform substantially better.- AMD XP2200 1.8 GHZ, 1.28 GB RAM, Dual head AGP GeForceFX5200 vid & a single head PCI GeForceFX5200 vid card. One 17" LCD & 2 19" CRTs. I'm expecting a call soon from the Smithsonian museum!!I run FS9 with mid range settings, Autogen Off, AI low and Ultimate Terrain/Canada-Alaska-USA full blast.PMDG 737,747,ATR 72,DreamFleet Baron 58 & Fokker 100 all run nicely in 2D on triple monitors. Generally all Pop ups are open and spread across the secondary monitors along with Kneeboard as rqd. With PMDG 747, the Overhead and COM panels slow performance and take up a lot of screen space so I bring them up as req'd. However both CDUs are usually displayed- quite handy to have route on one and approach on the other! These are located one on either side of the lower EICAS on right mon- just like the real McCoy. Performance: Generally in the range of 13-25 FPS. AT night at major airports with U/T lights everywhere, or in heavy cloud, FPS can drop below 10 and NEARBY OBJECTS (runway lights,clouds) will have frame to frame movement visible. NOT a stutter- more like an old movie film running a bit slow. For whatever it's worth, I can't see any quality difference between 15 and 25 FPS. Remarkably, the flight dynamics are not affected and aircraft are quite flyable right down to 5 FPS !! I can't prove it, but I think the displayed FPS is actually 1/3 of the real processor rate!! I've learned to turn off FPS display and totally ignore it. The secret to eliminate stutters and give each monitor an equal opportunity for vid data, was to retard 2 notches, the Hdwe Accel sliders for the secondary monitors. EUREKA!!!! SSMMOOTTHH.Cheers Alex Reid CYYJ

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Thanks! And I remember those pics of your first cockpit from an earlier thread -- I think it was in the hardware forum. And you're right -- I could never go back to single screen flying, even with my TrackIR Pro!As I said earlier, I've recently made a conscious decision to pass on the Triple Head to Go for now and will stick with my 2 networked computers and WideView. I have a LOT of addons, complex payware and freeware sceneries, and I run AI at 100% ALL THE TIME. My Frame Rates are locked at 25 and the counter never drops below 24.8 FPS, all of which indicates to me that my set up is running well. I know for a fact that stretching a desktop to over 3000 x 1210 with 3 or 4 different views open and running in Flight Simulator 2004 is going to take a toll on FRs or quality somewhere (I can't imagine how FSX would do!), and I'd still have to spend some time doing some view alignment with the new bezel management software. I'm not saying I'd never buy TripH2Go, not at all is that what I'm saying, but at least not until my 18 month old Celeron bites the bullet -- which hopefully won't be for a while. BTW, a CTD usually indicates a more serious problem in your installation -- a bad file, or something. Given your lack of addons if it happens a lot you may simply just be stressing your computer a bit more than it can handle.In any event, you can get a free program here in the Avsim library called Auto Save or AutoSave or something like that (I'm not at home right now so I can't look) -- you can set it to automatically save your flights at regular intervals. I've got mine set up to save every 60 seconds -- I may not get too many CTDs, but I am on occasion prone to bad approaches! ;-)Good luck, and smooth skies.Chuck B

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>>The secret to eliminate stutters and give each monitor an equal >>opportunity for vid data, was to retard 2 notches, the Hdwe Accel >>sliders for the secondary monitors. EUREKA!!!! SSMMOOTTHH.What a great idea Alex! I can't wait to try it tonight or this weekend. You sound like you get great performance, and I don't think you're system is quite Smithsonian ready yet! I too generally turn off the FR counter, but unfortunately it's the benchmark we have grown to use to communicate "smoothness of flying experience" with one another across these forums, and it is something I pay attention to. But of course, I don't have to tell YOU that.Also, unfortunately, I _can_ tell the difference once my sim drops below 14 FPS or so, and when it ever got below 10, forget it! To my eyes, it's like trying to land using a slide show and THAT is a tough assignment for me. It never does that now, due to my new dual core and networked WideView set up, so I feel I've done my best with the most economical solutions currently available to me.One thing is for certain: there ain't NUTHIN' like 180 degree field of view flying.

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