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I apologize if this is the wrong forum. I could not find one set aside for OS discussions. I have a Velocity Micro computer with Home Premium Vista 32 (OEM) as the operating system. I want to go to 64Bit Home Premium. I can't find any non-upgrade (i.e. XP to Vista) packages available except Vista for system builders. Is that what I should buy? Thanks in advance.Bob..

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Excellent Microsoft Article here that should cover your questions:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795With regards to this being the correct forum or not - alot tend to ask OS related questions in the Hardware forum, located here:http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showforum=326Hope that helps :(
It did help, thank you! Of course MS requires that I remove Vista 32, install Windows XP then use the Vista 64 upgrade (new purchase). I'm more than happy to pay for an upgrade price for Vista 64, however, the convoluted path is typical of some knucklehead marketing exec.Can I use this:http://www.cosmogadget.com/pd-microsoft-wi...ish-1pk-oem.cfmOr does the software check the computer hardware to prevent installation on a commercial (Velocity Micro) computer? Is the version linked an upgrade version? Or can I install it on my computer and skip the XP step? Thanks again.Bob..Bob..

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Of course MS requires that I remove Vista 32, install Windows XP then use the Vista 64 upgrade (new purchase). I'm more than happy to pay for an upgrade price for Vista 64, however, the convoluted path is typical of some knucklehead marketing exec.
Well if you're thinking of going through the trouble of installing XPjust to upgrade, you may as well buy the full OEM copy of Vista 64, and just install it fresh by booting the computer from the DVD. (After backing up your important files and data of course!)With regards to the software checking the hardware, the only Vista install DVDs that do this are ones that say they are for a particular OEM brand (such as Dell or Fujitsu Siemens). A standard unbranded Vista OEM DVD should install on any hardware. The one on the site you linked to should be fine, and is a pretty good price.

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It did help, thank you! Of course MS requires that I remove Vista 32, install Windows XP then use the Vista 64 upgrade (new purchase). I'm more than happy to pay for an upgrade price for Vista 64, however, the convoluted path is typical of some knucklehead marketing exec.Can I use this:http://www.cosmogadget.com/pd-microsoft-wi...ish-1pk-oem.cfmOr does the software check the computer hardware to prevent installation on a commercial (Velocity Micro) computer? Is the version linked an upgrade version? Or can I install it on my computer and skip the XP step? Thanks again.Bob..Bob..
I would be cautious about that site. It says of the 64 bit Vista The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license, including the responsibility of providing all end-user support for the software. An obvious question is does it include a System Builder Licence or is that something you have to buy separately? If don't you have such a licence Microsoft may detect this and block upgrades.

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I would be cautious about that site. It says of the 64 bit Vista The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license, including the responsibility of providing all end-user support for the software.
Which basically usually means you have to purchase a token piece of hardware (such as a cheap mouse or similar) with the software (at least thats how most vendors here in the UK do it). The system builder licence comes with all OEM discs. You can view the license here. (PDF reader required).

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Which basically usually means you have to purchase a token piece of hardware (such as a cheap mouse or similar) with the software (at least thats how most vendors here in the UK do it). The system builder licence comes with all OEM discs. You can view the license here. (PDF reader required).
Thank you again! I could not find anything but the OEM versions of Vista Home Premium 64 bit and you answered my questions. Bob.. :)

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Which basically usually means you have to purchase a token piece of hardware (such as a cheap mouse or similar) with the software (at least thats how most vendors here in the UK do it). The system builder licence comes with all OEM discs. You can view the license here. (PDF reader required).
The System Builder License shows that this is un-licensed software. To distribute it the distributor must be a System Builder (Clause 2) and it can only be distributed with a Computer System (Clause 13). For the avoidance of doubt a computer system is defined as a fully assembled computer sytem that includes a CPU, a motherboard, a power supply, an internally mounted NAND or revolving magnetic-based hatrd drive and a case. A cheap mouse doesn't count!Illegal Volume Licenced versions of XP were also offered recently. Microsoft discovered the keys involved and, though it couldn't prevent them being installed, it did prevent them being upgraded.Why are people prepared to pay US$99.99 for such software when a they could get it for nothing from a pirate site - a sop to their conciences?

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It's not unlicensed nor illegal. It comes with an OS license and genuine product key.I've bought OEM software myself and alot of the major online computer software retailers sell them here.How do you think 'System Builders' get the software themselves? They buy it from suppliers that aren't necessarily 'system builders', just software suppliers. You are, in effect, buying the software to build a system yourself, and 'distributing' that system to yourself.

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It's not unlicensed nor illegal. It comes with an OS license and genuine product key.I've bought OEM software myself and alot of the major online computer software retailers sell them here.How do you think 'System Builders' get the software themselves? They buy it from suppliers that aren't necessarily 'system builders', just software suppliers. You are, in effect, buying the software to build a system yourself, and 'distributing' that system to yourself.
The wording of the advert is ambiguous. It doesn't actually state that it includes a System Builders Licence. Nor does it that it includes a CoA. I would be cautious and assume it includes neither.OEMs buy from Microsoft or its authorised re-sellers to get properly licenced copies.If a copy is properly licenced there would be no need to buy a cheap mouse or similar with it as you say usually happens in the UK. The licence requires a complete computer system.

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I purchased an OEM version of Windows XP Home Edition for my old PC (it was supplied with a basic mouse), and I never had any problems with it.

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I purchased an OEM version of Windows XP Home Edition for my old PC (it was supplied with a basic mouse), and I never had any problems with it.
By no stretch of the imagination can a basic mouse be described as a fully assembled computer sytem that includes a CPU, a motherboard, a power supply, an internally mounted NAND or revolving magnetic-based hatrd drive and a case. XP was therefore supplied in breach of its licence.

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Dog...chewing...wasp... :( It is what it is and it's how software vendors sell OEM software to consumers (not businesses/system builders). Have done for years, and Microsoft doesn't seem to mind. If Microsoft was bothered, it would make companies or individuals register as a System Builder to obtain OEM software, and then state that the software must not be resold as an OEM kit (unless to a MS registered System Builder), only as pre-installed on Hardware.I repeat, the OEM software comes with an OS license in the box, and a genuine product key. When you install the software, you agree to the same EULA as everyone else does for installing/running XP or Vista. What you don't get is the shiny curved plastic consumer packaging - just a DVD in a brown box with its license.Edited to qualify: "It is what it is and it's how software vendors sell OEM software to consumers (not businesses/system builders)"

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By no stretch of the imagination can a basic mouse be described as a fully assembled computer sytem that includes a CPU, a motherboard, a power supply, an internally mounted NAND or revolving magnetic-based hatrd drive and a case. XP was therefore supplied in breach of its licence.
Amazon sells an OEM Vista Home Premium w/SP1 64bit OS. (not the one linked above). There is no mention of additional hardware required. Why should I pay double for the full retail version? Bob..

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Amazon sells an OEM Vista Home Premium w/SP1 64bit OS. (not the one linked above). There is no mention of additional hardware required. Why should I pay double for the full retail version? Bob..
See the following link:http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2.../07/461950.aspx ...It is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only with a fully assembled computer system... ...it must also be preinstalled on the fully assembled computer system that it is being sold with...The fact that no hardware is mentioned proves that it is being sold in breach of the licence agreement.Let me reply to your question with another one:"Why should you pay anything for a flight simulator pay-ware add-on when you can get it free from a pirate website?"

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See the following link:http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2.../07/461950.aspx ...It is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only with a fully assembled computer system... ...it must also be preinstalled on the fully assembled computer system that it is being sold with...The fact that no hardware is mentioned proves that it is being sold in breach of the licence agreement.Let me reply to your question with another one:"Why should you pay anything for a flight simulator pay-ware add-on when you can get it free from a pirate website?"
So why isn't Microsoft telling Amazon to vet the purchsers of OEM software to make sure the are purchasing a computer system with said software, OR enforcing that Amazon sell the software WITH a computer system? Simple, Microsoft wants to sell Vista. They're not really that bothered. The software is legal, and its a sale.On another tangent, Microsoft wouldnt let Amazon sell Pirate Software, and Amazon wouldn't sell illegal or pirate software (you're defining the OEM software as pirate or illegal - no one else is). As I've said, and I repeat again, OEM software has been sold like this by the major retailers for YEARS.Geez.

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it must also be preinstalled on the fully assembled computer system that it is being sold with...
So what if you purchase the OEM license and install it on your computer, and then you sell this computer to yourself for 1 cent? Can't anyone be a computer system assembler for someone else, hence the reason it is legal to sell and purchase these OEM licenses? Say I make a computer for my mother, and I purchase these elements. Then I assemble and sell it for 1 cent to her. It is selling a fully assembler computer system isn't it?I've so far purchased my PC with pre-installed licenses, but since I'm considering building one instead this time around, the topic sparkled my interest.

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So what if you purchase the OEM license and install it on your computer, and then you sell this computer to yourself for 1 cent? Can't anyone be a computer system assembler for someone else, hence the reason it is legal to sell and purchase these OEM licenses? Say I make a computer for my mother, and I purchase these elements. Then I assemble and sell it for 1 cent to her. It is selling a fully assembler computer system isn't it?
Exactly. :(

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So what if you purchase the OEM license and install it on your computer, and then you sell this computer to yourself for 1 cent? Can't anyone be a computer system assembler for someone else, hence the reason it is legal to sell and purchase these OEM licenses? Say I make a computer for my mother, and I purchase these elements. Then I assemble and sell it for 1 cent to her. It is selling a fully assembler computer system isn't it?
Nothing is wrong with that provided that the licence was brought from from Microsoft or an authorised distributor.Once the licence has been sold to a 3rd party then the licence terms apply. The 3rd party cannot sell the licence on without installing it on a computer system. I suspect that few of these copies are coming direct from Microsoft or its sellers in which case the sellers are in breach of the licence conditions."Also, when acquiring Microsoft OEM software (such as OEM Microsoft Office 2003, Windows XP Pro, Windows XP Home, Windows SBS 2003, etc.), be sure you purchase the OEM software through an authorized OEM distributor (see the list at: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/authdist/default.mspx) as this is the only way to ensure you are purchasing legitimate OEM Microsoft software." (My emphasis.)http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2.../07/461950.aspxThe link shows that there are only 7 authorised Microsoft OEM Distributors in the US and 8 in the UK. Neither the seller in the link above (CosmoGadget) nor the seller on Amazon (Tiger Direct) are on that listhttp://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Sy...N/dp/B000JTFVMETherefore there is no guarantee that they are providing legimate software.

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Therefore there is no guarantee that they are providing legimate software.
Just%20Kidding.gifGuys - this guy's determined to spend as much as possible on his OS software, and that's his lookout, it's his money. He's the only one gnashing his teeth here.Purchase your OEM software with confidence, through somone reputeable such as Amazon, and you won't have any issues at all.It's been sold this way for YEARS and will continue to be.

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Just%20Kidding.gifGuys - this guy's determined to spend as much as possible on his OS software, and that's his lookout, it's his money. He's the only one gnashing his teeth here.Purchase your OEM software with confidence, through somone reputeable such as Amazon, and you won't have any issues at all.It's been sold this way for YEARS and will continue to be.
You still believe that this software is legitimate?

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You still believe that this software is legitimate?
Frankly , I don't care. Regardless of your interpretation, it appears the OEM path has been followed by 1000's of users, for many years. My purpose is to eliminate (or greatly reduce) the OOM errors (MS broke it) when using FSX, not resell it at local flea market.Bob..

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You still believe that this software is legitimate?
Yes, I do. It's not stolen, or copied. It's not for sale for $5.00 on ebay with a hand written label.A genuine MS disc in genuine MS packaging, with license and product key.Microsoft regularly spot check vendors selling their software. I'm sure a big vendor like Amazon whether directly, or indirectly (through one of their marketplace shops/vendors) would regularly be checked. MS would waste no time hauling them over the coals if they were doing anything illegal.

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Yes, I do. It's not stolen, or copied. It's not for sale for $5.00 on ebay with a hand written label.A genuine MS disc in genuine MS packaging, with license and product key.Microsoft regularly spot check vendors selling their software. I'm sure a big vendor like Amazon whether directly, or indirectly (through one of their marketplace shops/vendors) would regularly be checked. MS would waste no time hauling them over the coals if they were doing anything illegal.
One last time.Microsoft and its authorised distributors supply System Builder software to 3rd parties under a licence that says it may only be sold with a computer system.Any copy bought from a 3rd party without a computer system is being sold in breach of the licence and is therefore not legitimate. No one can legitimately sell something they're not entitled to sell.

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One last time: Do you see Microsoft kicking up a fuss about it? No. Unless Microsoft considers there to be a licensing breach (which they don't, obviously), and reprimands the vendor accordingly, people will continue to buy OEM software from these vendors just as they have done for YEARRRRRSSSSSSS!The end. :(

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