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What will all of this mean to fs simmers and me? I fly both Posky's Gmax and FFGs older 757s and I would like to add those to Century of Flight. I also fly both older models and newer models in fs2002 and I am hoping that this will be true in the new version. This programming language I don't really understand so if anyone could post some replies on the subject that would be very nice. I don't know what to believe with this new messege on the avsim front page, and compared it with the msfs webpage.

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This has really nothing to do with aircraft, panels, scenery, etc. It is strictly about the adventure programming language. Your A/C, etc., won't be affected as long as the authors who created them followed MS' SDK's.

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Not one version of Flight Simulator has been a step back. I highly doubt a Century of flight will be a step back, but will be giant leap forward.

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Hi Kurt, The title is confusing, it should be: fs2004 could be a step back for adventure, forget about all others features, it have nothing to do with the new fs2004 feature. I don't use adventure anyways and many don't use it. This open letter is only for the adventure feature.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Well I will sleep easy know that this is only adventure programming language because I create my own flights and usually don't use the adventures. Thank You. I look forward to the new fs.

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Thanks Chris about the info. Also any word about how your wonderful fsskyworld package 2.4 is going? Looking forward to it.

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While I appreciate Ralph's very well written article, it, as with most others, is speculative at best.Unless you work for MS or are in the beta test, you really don't know.But, I do agree that any part of the sim that becomes useless to great groups such as those that author adventures, is probably not the best decision that MS could have made. But, I believe the improvements in other areas will make FS9 a step forward for this hobby.Just think back a few years. When ATC and real weather seemed a thing of the future. We've had plenty of talented people build programs and furnish us with tons of freeware add-ons that we never thought were possible.I see no reason why some intelligent individual can't take the new adventure writing program and work their magic on it.What it all comes down to, IMHO, is that we're too quick to condemn FS9 before most of us have even seen it.Kevin JarvisV.P. OperationsProjectAI

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APL referenced in the thread was a fairly robust programming language, and many add-ons for FS98 and FS2000 were created with it. My first utility for FS--my Autoland adventure, was written in APL. APL allowed for reading and writing of FS's many variables. You could set the autopilot with it, monitor the aircraft's position, etc....I think FSUIPC's introduction really changed the focus of these types of add-ons. I haven't used APL in ages. FSUIPC has replaced almost all of APL's functionality with its SDK. I can create a standalone program which runs in the background all the time, such as Autoland 2002, using simple VB code. Or one can create a program with altitude callouts--kind of an "assistant" copilot. One can code a robust ATC program, etc....If anything, the retiring of APL should encourage Microsoft to support--even compensate, Pete Dowson for his work with FSUIPC. Its interface into FS is far better than APL's was, IMHO. If MS remains tight lipped about how to interface with FS2004, only then would I consider it a step back. It would mean a change in philosophy on MS's part--a moving away from an open sim. I doubt that will happen, so I feel the demise of APL isn't much to worry about as long as folks like Pete can do their thing.-John

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Some people in this thread have indicated that some of Ralph's points are too technical - so here's an easy solution...Head over to Ralph's site (www.realatc.com) and take a look at 'Three Real Flights'. You'll soon understand what he's talking about.YOU CAN'T GET MORE AUTHENTIC THAN REALITY......(Great article Ralph!)Toni.

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I have to agree that this worries me little if not at all. Many more of the hard core simmers don't fly off-line but on Avsim. How one says that an "adventure" can be more real than this is beyond me.[h5]Best Wishes,Randy J. SmithSan Jose Ca[/h5][h3]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"[/h3]AMD [pink]XP[/pink] 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF3 64 MEG @ 215/545|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"

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I read every post so far and I must beg the question "How many of you read the article (http://forums.avsim.com/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=486&mesg_id=486&page=)I think a few didn't.I have been a simmer for about two years and all of a sudden and I have racked up over 4500+ flight hours. Over 1000 hours on VATSIM alone. That includes anything from General Aviation, training to serious flying.For some stupid reason, I didn't ever pay any attention to Adventures until I bought the justplanes.com United 928 DVD. Then I wanted to recreate the flights and I found the "adventure" of flight 928 on the web, some freak'n where, I can't rememeber. Now I want Adventures :)Here is the deal folks, FS2k4 will be purchased by me, but I just don't believe that all of the couple thousand US Dollars of scenery and birds I have are going to work on COF. Everybody says they will...eventually. So, I am going to be running a dual install so I can still fly my PSS birds, my Wilco bird and scenery and my Simflyers and UK2000 scenery and all sorts of other great add-ons I have. I will also keep FS2k2 going for the sake of Adventures :)It is a shame I have to have two installs of the same game. But, I know that will be the case for some time on COF.-----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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I think the one reason the APL langauge might be in the process of being shelved, in one fashion or another, and thereby doing away with "Adventures," is simply because not many people can find much information on them. Do a Google.com Search on "Flight sim adventures" or other combination searches if you please.There just isn't that much out there in a "concerted" effort. There aren't any strong websites either dedicated or semidedicated to suppporting the person looking adventures or wanting to learn to develop adventures. Sure there is Perfect Flight, but look at all what you must buy to get an adventure. You must buy their birds, their external program and lots of other stuff just to fly the adventures. What if I like my PSS or Wilco bird and simply want to fly that? Yes, I know there is RealATC.com, however I am talking about a "fansite" for Adventure related information. The community needs a concerted "fan site" for the adventure loving community. I haven't seen one presented to me at SimFlight.com or Avsim.com in two years of simming or I think I would have prolly gone there :) -----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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A COUPLE of THOUSAND DOLLARS spent on addons??? Either you are exagerating a bit or you are into this WAY more than me (or the average Joe for that matter)! I can't even comprehend what you bought that has added up to that much money. Hardware...Yes, I have seen several systems that would cost you that by themselves but scenery and aircraft??? Your joking right?

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LOL, yeah I am joking a bit, but to be frank with you I have prolly a good 800 to 900 in software including FS2k2 pro. Think about it, most of these guys want $30 and up for the average sim software add-on. It really doesn't take long. -----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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hehe Thought you might be exagerating a bit there. But even so you still have spent more than most people have. I know I don't even come close to 800 dollars for ALL my games much less for addons to ONE game. Of course I guess you might be including addons you previously had for earlier releases of FS but still...Wow...That is a lot of money to spend on FS addons...Hope they were worth it :)

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For those of us who do not fly on-line (sorry no broadband service in my area) I still use adventures and I loved Ralph's Real ATC to this day I still use ALL of his ATC sounds while using Ear Candy and RCv3.This will be sad it we are not able to use the adventures that Ralph has created the three real flights are outstanding and a Must have IMHO. I am looking forward to what else Ralph has up his sleeve us in the future and I hope someway Ralph will be able to some how adapt his new works for FS2004 :)JohnP4 2.53Ghz, ASUS P4S8X Mobo, 512Mb Ram PC2700, G4 MX 440 AGP, SB Live, Win98SE, (2) 80GM Maxtor 7200 RPM drives.

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Hey John, if it makes you feel anybetter VATSIM doesn't take up hardly any bandwidth at all, all graphics reside on your computer and the only thing it sends and receives is location information and text. I ran a 26.4 dial up line on over 1000 hours (no exagerations)on VATSIM. This is my first month with DSL :) I can't tell any difference between 26.4 and DSL when it comes to VATSIM. :)`-----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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Kevin,I appreciate your thoughts on the subjcet. However, the quotes in the artuicle are from Microsoft themselves. In the FS2002 ABL SDK, they announced that it was a replacement language for APL. In the compatibilty section of Century of Flight, they make no mention of anything other than planes and scenery.Bottom line is that ABL is not the same as APLC and the ability to do some really cool things may be lost. Respectfully,Ralph Zimmerman

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Thanks for your viewpoints, wilson. All of the people who criticize adventures haven't flown nor tried themI never said that they were better of a replacement for anything. Simply different and unique and that fols should try them before it;s too late.Respectfully,Ralph

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Ferman Fernandez has an excellent site at www.fsadventures.com

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Hey Ralph,No probs, even though I don't necessarily use Adventures allot I can see value in them. Also, I went to Ferman's site and all that I can find is his consulting services. Along those same lines, let me clarify exactly what I am talking about when I say a fansite:I don't have a problem in the world with people making payware add-ons, like I said in another post, I have tons of them and have made a substantial investment in the payware community. But, a "fansite" would be a non-profit and neutral organization like AVSIM.com or FSGateway or something of that manner. The fansite would be a place where people who enjoy Adventures could get in and find more info about their part of the hobby. That is what I am talking about :)-----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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Thanks for the kind words about my work, John. I'm amazed at how many people criticise adventure programming and what's been done with it without having tried this other way of enjoyment or what can be done with it. Most peple seem to think is either or and it's not like that at all. But you, know since you flown the ultimate in reality.I don't know what FS2004 might bring or if I can adapt what I've done to it or not. Best regards,Ralph

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I paid more than 1000$ for all of the addons... Almost everything from PSS, CaptainSim, Carenado, Dreamfleet, fsscene, fsd, vans, uk2000, mytraffic, swedflight, simflyers, aerosoft, lago, many things form flight1 etc...................so I'm little worry about new FS. Most of those things should work, but........ we will see...Jacek

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It doesn't take long at all. Scenery is the bigest investment and I have a TON of simcharts that I forgot to include in the last figure I put out. It just doesn't take long at all.As far as being concerned about the new FS 2k4. I will keep FS2k2 on my machine for a real, real long time :)-----------Wilson HinesChief CaptainBush Logistics Corp.http://heavylhc.comAOL IM: dal276wh

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