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PMDG MD-11 - Worth it?

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Hey everyone,I've been looking into purchasing the PMDG MD-11. It looks like a really nice product. The price is a bit steep, considering that it costs 1.5x as much as FSX itself!I currently only have the LevelD 767, which I found to be an awesome add-on, in addition to UTX and GEX.I've been looking into the Arianne 737 (there's a thread on here with too many posts for me to read) but I hear a lot of negatives about that bird - particularly the obscene cost.I've always loved the MD-11 and I think it could be a no-brainer for the PMDG MD-11.Some thoughts on this add-on?What are your favorite add-ons?Thanks!

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I've not got the PMDG MD-11 myself, largely because I've got their 747 and although the MD-11 is an interesting add-on, one really complex long hauler is enough for me, because like most people the really long haul FS flights are not something I tend to indulge in that often, and when I do, I don't always want to simulate everything about the flight, which is one of the reasons why I also bought the much simpler CLS 747 too (and for a bit of old-school navigational fun). If I didn't have PMDGs 747 and I was in the market for a complex long hauler, I think I'd be inclined to choose the MD-11 out of the two, purely because it is the more recently developed add-on from PMDG and so it probably benefits from the experience the team gained on making the 747. I gather that the MD-11 gets better frame rates than the 747 from what I hear, which is another thing in its favour, and going off my own experience of their 747, that must make it an excellent thing to have.Ultimately the bottom line is, if it's calling to you, then get it.Al

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It is entirely worth it. It is by far the most rewarding plane I've got in my virtual hangar.

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It is entirely worth it. It is by far the most rewarding plane I've got in my virtual hangar.
I remember when my parents and I use to fly Swissair from LSZH-KLAX 3-4 times per year, every year. Those were just great times, my dad used to smoke in First Class and drink Vodka and I would spend hours in the flight deck. The MD-11 was and still is such a beautiful bird, and it was very unfortunate the some faulty wiring caused the crash of SR-111. I even have a few pictures of that same exact bird on Airliners.net and it's chilling to know that we could have been on that aircraft.The PMDG MD-11 looks awesome and I'm definitely going to go for it. Thanks for the tips, I'm sure there are manuals/tutorials that come with the package to learn how to fly the bird properly...

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I remember when my parents and I use to fly Swissair from LSZH-KLAX 3-4 times per year, every year. Those were just great times, my dad used to smoke in First Class and drink Vodka and I would spend hours in the flight deck. The MD-11 was and still is such a beautiful bird, and it was very unfortunate the some faulty wiring caused the crash of SR-111. I even have a few pictures of that same exact bird on Airliners.net and it's chilling to know that we could have been on that aircraft.The PMDG MD-11 looks awesome and I'm definitely going to go for it. Thanks for the tips, I'm sure there are manuals/tutorials that come with the package to learn how to fly the bird properly...
Your making a fantastic purchase!!! Money well spent,I've never heard someone say The PMDG MD-11 wasn't worth it,and with that awesome pc you have it's going to be an excellent experience!!

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If you like the Level-D 767, you'll love MD-11. It's just so imersive. I'm sure you won't regret it.As for the Ariane.... You really MUST read the entire thread before purchase. You'll kick yourself if you don't,

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The MD-11 is great. Best big airliner I've ever had (amongst others PSS (long ago), Level-D, PMDG)

one really complex long hauler is enough for me, because like most people the really long haul FS flights are not something I tend to indulge in that often, and when I do, I don't always want to simulate everything about the flightand I was in the market for a complex long hauler
It's known as a long hauler indeed, but I never ever do long hauls, because I hate them. :( However, I always fly real world FedEx flights in Europe (like EGSS-LFPG and LFPG-EDDF)! The are about 45 minutes long, so even when I start up from a cold and dark cockpit and also end up in a cold and dark cockpit, it won't take me longer than an hour to an hour and a half (which is really the limit for me). So if you don't like long hauls but do like flying realistic flights, that doesn't mean the MD-11 is not for you! It's an awesome plane also for those who don't have too much time to fly! (I hate to time accell and to save flights in mid-air, so I usualy save the MD-11 flights for weekends: the rest of the week is for even shorter VFR hops.) If you don't feel the need to do it all 'as real as it gets' you can of course fly even shorter hops with the MD-11: no one will punish you for it. :(

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Hey everyone,I've been looking into purchasing the PMDG MD-11. It looks like a really nice product. The price is a bit steep, considering that it costs 1.5x as much as FSX itself!I currently only have the LevelD 767, which I found to be an awesome add-on, in addition to UTX and GEX.I've been looking into the Arianne 737 (there's a thread on here with too many posts for me to read) but I hear a lot of negatives about that bird - particularly the obscene cost.I've always loved the MD-11 and I think it could be a no-brainer for the PMDG MD-11.Some thoughts on this add-on?What are your favorite add-ons?Thanks!
Please I urge you, before you go buy any PMDG product, search google for "pmdg black screen".I recently paid 150$ for both Md11 and 747, anf things just keep crashing when am using these aircraftThere are many of us having all kinds silly problems with PMDG stuff, so google pmdg issues before you buy. If i had known about all this issues before purchase, i would not have gone for it. That said md11 is suprisingly frame rate friendly, more than the pmdg 747. But that is only when it does not crash FSX.For me bottom line is, when using any pmdg, going to any fsx menus is like russian roulette, it could crash anytime, for others the crash occurs when they change views, and so on and so forth.Some say they have no issues with XP, but am vista64.Some who use vista and have pmdg signature in thier mail say they have no issues in vista.SoME have accepted thier losses and parked PMDG in the hanger all together.However when they work, they are cool.I have to say, after purchasing these md11 and 747 i am never buying pmdg again cause1 - Too many crash related issues2 - The cockpit detail is second to none but cabin view is like a nursrey school project. This is why i like wilco they do good cockpits and cabin views.3 - They are very complicated, so its not for you if you want to fly your new plain within a few days of buying it, cause you have to read 600 pages of manuals first, but sopme simers like this, so depends what you want. I prefer to be able to fly a plain pretty soon after purcahse without spending part of my life reading manuals. ITS A SIM.That is said framerate you get with md11 is close to what you get with default fsx aircraft.SO PLEASE GOOGLE PMDG ISSUES BEFORE YOU BUY, MANY OF US ARE HAVING TOO MANY ISSUES

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And the majority of us have no problems whatsoever. Maybe you should contact PMDG and let them walk you through whatever problem you have.As for the plane this is by far the best addon out there, at least until we find out about Airsimmer A320. But you really need to read the manual as this plane is totally different from boeings.

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1 - Too many crash related issues2 - The cockpit detail is second to none but cabin view is like a nursrey school project. This is why i like wilco they do good cockpits and cabin views.3 - They are very complicated, so its not for you if you want to fly your new plain within a few days of buying it, cause you have to read 600 pages of manuals first, but sopme simers like this, so depends what you want. I prefer to be able to fly a plain pretty soon after purcahse without spending part of my life reading manuals. ITS A SIM.
1. I have Vista 64 and run the MD-11 without real problems. I also didn't have any problems on my previous Vista 32 system. I do have to say that when I am flying for some time, accessing the menu may result in my screen going black or corrupt. But since I have no real need to access the menu while I am flying, I don't really care. (I only access the menu during startup: I really don't know why I should want to access the menu while in the air. But that may be due to the fact that I never ever leave the VC during a flight (see also point 2). If you frequently switch to Vista or go the the menu all the time, you may indeed get problems... But my advice is: just do not do that and you'll be fine. :( (BTW If I do get screen problems, I can still save the flight, quit and start FSX and load the save flight, after which (almost) all is fine again.)2. The cockpit is the best there is imho. The cabin is total crap indeed, but... as said, I never ever leave the VC while flying. A cabin view (good or bad, available or not) would never ever be a reason for me not to buy a good add on... A bad VC would.3. With the excellent tutorial nearby you will be flying the plane in no time. It is not needed to read all manuals in order to have fun with the MD-11. I installed the MD-11, did the tutorial and finished my first flight all in within an hour or so... without looking at the manuals... Of course, if you want to progress and learn to know how to handle more things yourself, the manual is mandatory :( . But I've had days of fun with the MD-11, using only the information from the tutorial. And even now, after a few months of flying, I quite often do nothing more than what I learned in the turorial! Anyway, you really don't have to study for days before you can fly: that's nonsense. Most people who say that simply didn't do the turorial... :(And IT'S A SIM indeed, not an arcade game...

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1. I have Vista 64 and run the MD-11 without real problems. I also didn't have any problems on my previous Vista 32 system. I do have to say that when I am flying for some time, accessing the menu may result in my screen going black or corrupt. But since I have no real need to access the menu while I am flying, I don't really care. (I only access the menu during startup: I really don't know why I should want to access the menu while in the air. But that may be due to the fact that I never ever leave the VC during a flight (see also point 2). If you frequently switch to Vista or go the the menu all the time, you may indeed get problems... But my advice is: just do not do that and you'll be fine. :( (BTW If I do get screen problems, I can still save the flight, quit and start FSX and load the save flight, after which (almost) all is fine again.)2. The cockpit is the best there is imho. The cabin is total crap indeed, but... as said, I never ever leave the VC while flying. A cabin view (good or bad, available or not) would never ever be a reason for me not to buy a good add on... A bad VC would.3. With the excellent tutorial nearby you will be flying the plane in no time. It is not needed to read all manuals in order to have fun with the MD-11. I installed the MD-11, did the tutorial and finished my first flight all in within an hour or so... without looking at the manuals... Of course, if you want to progress and learn to know how to handle more things yourself, the manual is mandatory :( . But I've had days of fun with the MD-11, using only the information from the tutorial. And even now, after a few months of flying, I quite often do nothing more than what I learned in the turorial! Anyway, you really don't have to study for days before you can fly: that's nonsense. Most people who say that simply didn't do the turorial... :(And IT'S A SIM indeed, not an arcade game...
True Those looking for the sort of eye candy you get from wilco, should not buy pmdg, cuase the vc and exterior detail is all there is. Its exciting to say pmdg is for those who want to fly it like the real thing, the downside is, you have to read up a bit, and if you busy, you want have time for this.However if you willing to track the learning curve, then the tutorial is ok, and youtube is also excellent , just search (pmdg tutorial).But i am no longer buying pmdg, in part due to crashes, but also cause i am more a wilco type eye candy simer. If i pay money for aircraft addon i want goo d vc and cabin views, and more eyecandy after that if possible.So i will be sticking with wilco and eaglesoft in future.Most of all i am dissapointed about the crashes. Some of use tools like fspax, and going to fspax menu sometimes causes pmdg to crash. for example when going to fspax menu to end your flight.

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You've never flown a better add-on product than this. [full stop]Worth every penny.

2 - The cockpit detail is second to none but cabin view is like a nursrey school project. This is why i like wilco they do good cockpits and cabin views.
While that is a bit crass, I will say that one man's "junk" is a another's treasure. I am VERY happy to see triangles spared from rendering what I consider vastly useless: cabin rendering.As to comparing and contrasting ANY Wilco product to a PMDG product in the pursuit of comparing quality, I'll simply hold my tongue in the interest of NOT being crass myself.

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I can only assume that 'jaskanFactor' has some personal 'beef' with PMDG. IMHO he/she is talking absolute "

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I can only assume that 'jaskanFactor' has some personal 'beef' with PMDG. IMHO he/she is talking absolute "

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I don't feel the MD-11 lacks in "eye candy" at all. It looks better than EVERY plane Wilco offers. The MD-11 is the best addon aircraft ever made alongside the A2A WOPIII P-47 with Accusim, IMHO.I'm also running vista 64 and have absolutely zero issues with crashes.

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Re SP2 issues... the Simconnect installation may be corrupted. This seems to happen when SP2 has been removed and re-installed.To solve this:◦Control Panel --> Add/Remove programs. ◦Ensure "Show All updates" (XP) or "View Installed Updates" (VISTA) is enabled. ◦Find and select "Microsoft Flight Simulator X SP2". ◦Click "Remove" and confirm uninstallation of FSX-SP2.You might not be able to find the "Microsoft Flight Simulator X" entry in the Add/remove list. If this is the case...◦Close the Add/Remove program window and open it again. ◦Find and select "Microsoft Flight Simulator X SP1". ◦Click "Remove" and confirm that uninstallation of SP1 (might require FSX Disk 1).Go to this folder:C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\Delete these entries 3:x86_Microsoft.FlightSimulator.SimConnect_67c7c14424d61b5b_10.0.60905.0_....x86_Microsoft.FlightSimulator.SimConnect_67c7c14424d61b5b_10.0.61242.0_.....x86_Microsoft.FlightSimulator.SimConnect_67c7c14424d61b5b_10.0.61259.0_....◦Insert Your "Microsoft Flight Simulator X" Disk 1.◦Run Setup from the root folder on the CD.◦Select "Repair" and ok. It can take a longtime to finish and progrees might seem as if it has haltet. Just wait until it finishes.◦Install SP1.◦Install SP2.Simconnect has now been restored.

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150$ worth of personal BEFF if i may say so. That is for pmdg 747 and MD11.
Have both and zero problems. Check your PC for stability with Prime95 for example, before blaming add-ons.

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This one is a no brainer, it's worth every penny. The positives:Performance is phenomenal. Very little if any frame rate hit on my 6 year old system running FSX.Systems depth is fantastic. You can suffer from hundreds of types of failures all with appropriate consequences, or have 100% reliability. Your choice.The sounds are also fantastic. The F/O and pushback communications are as real as it gets.The MD-11 itself is a fun airplane. Hand flying is different given it's unique qualities, and the automation philosophy is different than Boeing or Airbus. It's able to do the longhauls, but if that's not your cup of tea, there are many real-world routes that range from 45min to 3 hours.The negatives:The manuals are very realistic in the sense that the look, feel, content, and layout mirror the real-world FCOM, QRH, MEL, etc. I was a bit disappointed that there were numerous spelling and formatting errors contained in the manuals though. I haven't checked the latest revisions to see if it's been fixed or not.Even with stock FSX weather, a registered copy of FSUIPC, and very aggressive attenuation of changes to wind speed and direction (1kt and 1deg every 30 seconds), with a tailwind, NAV mode can't always maintain the FMS track and it "S-turns" repeatedly. Going to HDG mode is no help in that situation either. This is an intermittent problem, and not a significant impediment to completing a flight.There is insufficient performance data available in the manuals to do proper flight planning. There is no data for takeoff performance, FLEX temps, optimum Dial-a-Flap settings, cruise burn, etc., in the provided manuals. Some of this data was recently compiled by one dedicated user and formatted into a series of realistic charts that are now available for download in the forum. For calculating fuel burn, you'll either have to rely on the FMS, or use an external program.The final score is a landslide; buy it. You won't be sorry.Nick

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Does PMDG offer a boxed version of the MD-11 for FSX?Or is it all Internet download only?Would love some literature and box for $79 :) something to touch and put on the shelf! LOL

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Does PMDG offer a boxed version of the MD-11 for FSX?Or is it all Internet download only?Would love some literature and box for $79 :) something to touch and put on the shelf! LOL
download it to an external harddrive, then out that on the shelf, no pun intended. The best way to backup.

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