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Gotta agree with you about "wildly jumping the gun". That's just about the wildest jump I've seen in quite a while.:-)

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>Wait, I thought that 2004 was a patch for 2002! :D:-lol :-lol

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Heh... I can see it:"Microsoft Patch 2004: It Felt Like a Century of Waiting"...-As Patched as it Gets-

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turner, I have yet to see in any flight sim for a patch, that's provide tottaly new weather engine, sky/lights system, new coding, new detailed airports, new Atc feature,new aircraft new AI traffic feature, improved autogen data, ground texture, new data for ground, Improved Mesh, new capability for the 3rd party etc.All What I have seen from patch in any flight, is only to fix the major buggy engine and save the franchise by force! but never add feature!Patch and new feature is completly differents, from a patch you can only have to fix existent data, but not implement new feature or improving, such as 2d to 3d clouds, Ai traffic, Atc etc. Cheers!ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Howdy Chris, Wasn't >me< that suggested that...Cheers,Andrew>turner,> I have yet to see in any flight sim for a patch, that's>provide tottaly new weather engine, sky/lights system, new>coding, new detailed airports, new Atc feature,new aircraft>new AI traffic feature, improved autogen data, ground texture,>new data for ground, Improved Mesh, new capability for the 3rd>party etc.>>All What I have seen from patch in any flight, is only to fix>the major buggy engine and save the franchise by force! but>never add feature!>>>Patch and new feature is completly differents, from a patch>you can only have to fix existent data, but not implement new>feature or improving, such as 2d to 3d clouds, Ai traffic, Atc>etc. >>>Cheers!>>>>Thanks>Chris Willis>>[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons>For MsFs>

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>Patch and new feature is completly differents, from a patch you can >only have to fix existent data, but not implement new feature or >improving, such as 2d to 3d clouds, Ai traffic, Atc etc. Some patches do include new features.Sometimes an almost complete feature will not make it into the initial release but will be part of a later released patch. Regards.Ernie.

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Who cares about a patch. I want to know more about fs2006! :-lol

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Sorry, you will have to wait for 2008 for that. That's when Microshaft will patch FS2006, which is actually a patch for FS2004, which is actually a patch with a few CPU draining additions like whispy clouds and rain effects, which is, of course, what we all know is to be a patch for FS2002, which is most definitely a patch with a few CPU draining additions like autogen and ATC for that slug FS2000, which...Sorry, I had to jump on that one...Robb

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Paying $55 usually means you get a brand new game. FS2004 is far from a brand new game... I've decided to wait until the add-ons I want to get start requiring it and my FS2002 add-ons start getting patched. MS can say what they will, but a lot of add-ons will probably need patches, especially the ones that push the limits.[table][tr][td rowspan=2]http://timbo87.home.attbi.com/sig/valiant.gif[/td][td]

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Hi, "Paying $55 usually means you get a brand new game. FS2004 is far from a brand new game..."So Brand new game means, all works great, incredible feature and fluid frame rate? example: fs98 to fs2000. Fly! to Fly IITim I think your expectation are too high like many , revamping fs2002 from totally new graphics engine is impossible at this time cpu system market are not available, video card are too much low in memory. You should have to wait 1 years to 2, to see these computer and better graphics cards. Having 512x512 or 1024x0124 generic ground texture in Msfs, plus photo sat, landclass, for having better resolution and details, you will have crap stutters, and will even not run on a 3.4hgz 3d card 256meg, 1024 ram, more your texture is larger in bytes and meg, more you will need larger 4x graphics card and cpu. In fs we talk about major amount of power needed because of the huges amount of texture in fs. You have a small part of the anwser here..Battlefield, Unreal 2003 etc, Still not using the amount of details that's Fs have with the calculation x, y, z, they get huge in performance at full details with 2.5 ghz.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=patchpatch 1. A temporary addition to a piece of code, usuallyas a quick-and-dirty remedy to an existing bug ormisfeature. A patch may or may not work, and may or may noteventually be incorporated permanently into the program.Distinguished from a diff or mod by the fact that a patchis generated by more primitive means than the rest of theprogram; the classical examples are instructions modified byusing the front panel switches, and changes made directly tothe binary executable of a program originally written in anHLL.Carlos.

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Carlos,:-lol :-lol :-lol Best thing I've read in a while. :)Chris,You have to start somewhere, and patching the same old sim again and again won't get us there. I'd rather have a brand new engine that runs slower but looks better than a $55 patch. Also, from what I've heard from beta testers, the new weather kills FPS so looks like we'd get lesser performance regardless.[table][tr][td rowspan=2]http://timbo87.home.attbi.com/sig/valiant.gif[/td][td]

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Please note that this definition fails on the second word - "temporary". This suggests that a patch is not a permanent feature of a particular program.This definition is bogus - "may or may not work." Like a "Program" definitely does?"May or may not eventually be incorporated?""Generated by more primitive means" ???"Front panel switches" ?!?!?Sorry, but I'm not sure if this is a joke or not.Cheers,Andrew>From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=patch>>patch>> 1. A temporary addition to a piece of code,>usually>as a quick-and-dirty remedy to an existing bug or>misfeature. A patch may or may not work, and may or may not>eventually be incorporated permanently into the program.>Distinguished from a diff or mod by the fact that a patch>is generated by more primitive means than the rest of the>program; the classical examples are instructions modified by>using the front panel switches, and changes made directly to>the binary executable of a program originally written in an>HLL.>>Carlos.>

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depends on how many of us get killed by the Wright Flyer...:-bigangel Regards,Mark

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>Please note that this definition fails on the second word ->"temporary". This suggests that a patch is not a permanent>feature of a particular program.Exactly like that, IMHO a patch could be temporary, if becomes permanent it would be a PATCH/UPDATE.>This definition is bogus - "may or may not work." Like a>"Program" definitely does?>"May or may not eventually be incorporated?"Yes, if the patch doesn't fix the BUG or creates a new one, is obvious that it won

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TROLL alert![span style=color:red;font-size:25px;font-weight:bold]IF[/span] there are critical problems with the product I'm confident Microsoft will patch them.If not, they shouldn't.

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yippee, I can now play with loads of HTML goodies and do really nice things here :-lol

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>Exactly like that, IMHO a patch could be temporary, if becomes >permanent it would be a PATCH/UPDATE.I disagree, a patch becomes permanent by virtue of the fact it remained unchanged the next release.Since an Update can include other things besides a patch/fix or no path at all the term Patch/update is sometimes used.Regards.Ernie.

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How much energy people are investing in which word is used to describe a software product that will be offered for sale in a few months?I think everyone who thinks this product is bad should not buy it. And those that think its good will buy it. What word you use to describe it is pretty much irrelevant to me.Bob Bernstein

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I'd love to fly it in my head, but I'm not getting enough frames per second. Looks like a slideshow. Think I need a new brain for this new release. :-lol

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