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ATIS and Ground

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I have always had this problem since getting RC, and just thought instead of putting up with it why not ask if there is a fix, this happens to me I would say 80% of the time, Im at the gate cold and dark the weather has been set to realworld conditions, Im going through my setup and checklists, I tune to the ATIS get the weather and departing runway, and everything is spot on to the realworld conditions, I get my clearance and finish programing the FMC with the proper SID, I push and start call for taxi and then ground tells me to taxi to a totally different RW, for example today I was departing from CYVR today, the wind was coming in 110@12knts, the ATIS called RW 08L as the active all my AI traffic was using it aswell but ground told me to taxi to RW 26R, same thing happens on approach the landing RW is never what the ATIS lists. Is there a fix for this, I just use in most cases the default fsx airport scenery, and what is the confusing part is the ATIS is always spot on th what the weather is, its the ground and approach controllers that have it wrong.

 

 

I have always had this problem since getting RC, and just thought instead of putting up with it why not ask if there is a fix, this happens to me I would say 80% of the time, Im at the gate cold and dark the weather has been set to realworld conditions, Im going through my setup and checklists, I tune to the ATIS get the weather and departing runway, and everything is spot on to the realworld conditions, I get my clearance and finish programing the FMC with the proper SID, I push and start call for taxi and then ground tells me to taxi to a totally different RW, for example today I was departing from CYVR today, the wind was coming in 110@12knts, the ATIS called RW 08L as the active all my AI traffic was using it aswell but ground told me to taxi to RW 26R, same thing happens on approach the landing RW is never what the ATIS lists. Is there a fix for this, I just use in most cases the default fsx airport scenery, and what is the confusing part is the ATIS is always spot on th what the weather is, its the ground and approach controllers that have it wrong.
I don't think there is a fix for this. You might just want to hold off on starting RC until after you have loaded the weather and have verified with default atis information what the departing runway is. Then start RC and enter in that runway as your departure. Once this is done ground will instruct you to go to that runway for takeoff. I would prefer not to have to do this but those limitiations are there. The other thing I don't like is the fact that ground doesn't tell you what taxiways to use to get to that runway, or in reverse, to get to the gate as they often do in real life.I don't mean to complain too much, RC is high on my list of "well worth the money" payware programs.Chris

What are you using for weather?When FS is first loaded with your airport, AI start arriving designated for a runway that applies to your weather in your default flight. I usuallly use the Clear Weather theme for the default flight and all saved flights. This triggers FSUIPC to clear any weather in your saved flight. Also, if you are using a weather add-on, unless otherwise instructed, turn off dynamic weather changes in FS. What you need to do is start your weather writes. After that finishes wait a couple of minutes and then you can advance your current FS time by one minute. That should restart your with your current weather in force and get rid of AI going to the default selection when FS starts. It should also update the ATIS.If you have Active sky 6.5 or better you can press the refresh AI button a minute or so after it states weather writes are complete.If you have a registered version of FSUIPC you can assign a hot key to toggle AI off and then on.RC monitors AI and assigns at the time you contact ground the runway what it has recorded AI as using. If the AI start using a different runway it will not catch it.Another item might be that the runway being used by AI may not be suitably detected by makerwys.exe, part of the scenery building process that must be initiated from RC. Make sure you are using a current version links at the top of this forum. Some scenery might be missing some parts so it is not detected. Also, make sure your FSUIPC is current so AI are being properly recorded.You also should be sure RC4 is build 4.3.0.3843 or better.One thing you can do is for a specific airport is to with Notepad, not Excel, open in the RC4/data folder r4.csv and check out the two runways for that airport by searching the table for the ICAO code. Never save/write to this file.Never press the start button until weather and AI have settled down.If you have continued trouble make a log and send it as detailed in the topic at the forum head.

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What are you using for weather?When FS is first loaded with your airport, AI start arriving designated for a runway that applies to your weather in your default flight. I usuallly use the Clear Weather theme for the default flight and all saved flights. This triggers FSUIPC to clear any weather in your saved flight. Also, if you are using a weather add-on, unless otherwise instructed, turn off dynamic weather changes in FS. What you need to do is start your weather writes. After that finishes wait a couple of minutes and then you can advance your current FS time by one minute. That should restart your with your current weather in force and get rid of AI going to the default selection when FS starts. It should also update the ATIS.If you have Active sky 6.5 or better you can press the refresh AI button a minute or so after it states weather writes are complete.If you have a registered version of FSUIPC you can assign a hot key to toggle AI off and then on.RC monitors AI and assigns at the time you contact ground the runway what it has recorded AI as using. If the AI start using a different runway it will not catch it.Another item might be that the runway being used by AI may not be suitably detected by makerwys.exe, part of the scenery building process that must be initiated from RC. Make sure you are using a current version links at the top of this forum. Some scenery might be missing some parts so it is not detected. Also, make sure your FSUIPC is current so AI are being properly recorded.You also should be sure RC4 is build 4.3.0.3843 or better.One thing you can do is for a specific airport is to with Notepad, not Excel, open in the RC4/data folder r4.csv and check out the two runways for that airport by searching the table for the ICAO code. Never save/write to this file.Never press the start button until weather and AI have settled down.If you have continued trouble make a log and send it as detailed in the topic at the forum head.
Right on ronzie, Im using REX, I do usually wait a few minutes before starting RC, but I'll try clearing all weather first, and refreshing the AI, I do have a registered copy of fsuipc (fsx) I had no idea you could do that, and REX weather engine is not the most stable product out there yet!!! Thanks for the tip

 

 

If you have Active sky 6.5 or better you can press the refresh AI button a minute or so after it states weather writes are complete.
In which program is this button? I can't find it in ASX, FSX and FSUIPC :(

It is not an FS setting. It may be only available in FS9 and a registered version of FSUIPC. To set it up, load a flight in FS9 and get to the FS menu bar with the alt key. Click on modules. Click on FSUIPC.Click the key presses tab. You probably do not want this to be aircraft specific so don't check that. Select from the lower dropdown on the left Traffic Density Toggle. Enter 0 as the first parameter and leave the second blank or put a number in for a percent to return to. Assign a key a combo key and it should appear as you press it (them) in the upper space. I use Ctrl-T (T for traffic). Click the set button.If you do not see this function it is for FS9 only. If ASX is FSX only it probably is not available.

In which program is this button? I can't find it in ASX, FSX and FSUIPC :(
I get my clearance and finish programing the FMC with the proper SID, I push and start call for taxi and then ground tells me to taxi to a totally different RW,
That's simply real world! :(

Federico Bellato

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That's simply real world! :(
If thats real world I'll never fly again, an ATIS telling you the Departing is RW XX and the ground controller having you take off RW YY into on coming traffic with a gusty tailwind :( But I know what your talking about, and I think by clearing the weather first and waiting a little longer for REX to sort out the weather has fixed the problem. Thanks guys

 

 

I simply meant that usually when you are prepared for something (because you are "expecting" it) ATC will give you another one totally different! :( I'm glad you solved the problem anyway.Cheers,Fede

Federico Bellato

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I simply meant that usually when you are prepared for something (because you are "expecting" it) ATC will give you another one totally different! :( I'm glad you solved the problem anyway.Cheers,Fede
Ya I can't imagine how real pilots handle things, it must get very stressed in that cockpit somedays :(

 

 

If a flight is loaded with the clear weather theme and if you have a fully registered FSUIPC or weather program that registers itself with FSUIPC it will issue a clear all weather function command to FS. You can see this in the FSUIPC log. My default flight (in FS9 that flight loads in the background even when at the starting screen with the menu page) has clear weather and issues a call then as well. Again, the FS dynamic weather changes should be off and let your weather application manage all changes so they don't fight each other.

If thats real world I'll never fly again, an ATIS telling you the Departing is RW XX and the ground controller having you take off RW YY into on coming traffic with a gusty tailwind :( But I know what your talking about, and I think by clearing the weather first and waiting a little longer for REX to sort out the weather has fixed the problem. Thanks guys

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