Hi,I usually fly Vatsim in North America. But lately I paid attention that in Europe much more ATC coverage than here, home :( So, I decided to give a try and fly couple times in there. To plan my routes in North America I use FlightAware to find real routes, but it does not work for Europe flights. So, finally my question: what program or internet site should I use to find most updated routes in Europe. P.S. Sometimes I use SimRoutes.com or RouteFinder, which one from those given more realistic and right routes?Thank you.Stan

Hi,I usually fly Vatsim in North America. But lately I paid attention that in Europe much more ATC coverage than here, home :( So, I decided to give a try and fly couple times in there. To plan my routes in North America I use FlightAware to find real routes, but it does not work for Europe flights. So, finally my question: what program or internet site should I use to find most updated routes in Europe. P.S. Sometimes I use SimRoutes.com or RouteFinder, which one from those given more realistic and right routes?Thank you.Stan

Hi Stan, personally I think routefinder is quite good, unfortunately we don't have a sort of flightaware in europe... anyway with flightaware you can get real plans for every flight originated or ended in UK, so you can easily get a flightplan from UK to the whole europe :).for European charts try this -> http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/publicuser/public/pu/login.do you will fin all the charts for every European airport!!! cheers, Andrea

Hi Stan, personally I think routefinder is quite good, unfortunately we don't have a sort of flightaware in europe... anyway with flightaware you can get real plans for every flight originated or ended in UK, so you can easily get a flightplan from UK to the whole europe :).for European charts try this -> http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/publicuser/public/pu/login.do you will fin all the charts for every European airport!!! cheers, Andrea

Thanks a lot Andrea.

After reading your post I came across this, http://www.avsim.com/pages/0809/Book/LROPS.htm. There use to be a site that posted NAT Tracks but I can't connect anymore. Here is the link https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/qryhtml/nat.htmlDave

I use Vroute and/or Vataware.cheersJP.

Hi,I usually fly Vatsim in North America. But lately I paid attention that in Europe much more ATC coverage than here, home :( So, I decided to give a try and fly couple times in there. To plan my routes in North America I use FlightAware to find real routes, but it does not work for Europe flights. So, finally my question: what program or internet site should I use to find most updated routes in Europe. P.S. Sometimes I use SimRoutes.com or RouteFinder, which one from those given more realistic and right routes?Thank you.Stan

Hi,Download and install the freeware Vroute. Not only it contains validated routes, but also an overview of ATC being online, world wide categorized by continent and country.Very handy to plan your online flights:http://www.vroute.net/Egbert

There are many options for finding flightplans for flying in Europe.Like mentioned Vroute works good so I hear as I don't use it.Flightaware does pull up some routes but I find you need to use the callsign to find them.Example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH4793Here are some of the other sites I use for planning in Europe:http://www.euroutepro.com/fp/fp_main.php?http://flightwise.com/tracking/http://www.edi-gla.co.uk/fpl/search.phpAs for NATS:https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/qryhtml/nat.html (still works for me)http://blackswan.ch/nat/Hope thats enough to get ya started.Cheers

There are many options for finding flightplans for flying in Europe.Like mentioned Vroute works good so I hear as I don't use it.Flightaware does pull up some routes but I find you need to use the callsign to find them.Example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH4793Here are some of the other sites I use for planning in Europe:http://www.euroutepro.com/fp/fp_main.php?http://flightwise.com/tracking/http://www.edi-gla.co.uk/fpl/search.phpAs for NATS:https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/qryhtml/nat.html (still works for me)http://blackswan.ch/nat/Hope thats enough to get ya started.Cheers

Thank you guys!Very helpful info!