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PageFile question

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Hi Experts,I recently installed a second hdd on my computer, I have Windows XP and other files on my C: drive and Flightsim X and Flightsim 9 on the D: drive. There is a pagefile on the C: drive and non on the D: drive. Would it benefit Flightsim if I created a Pagefile on the D: drive, or would it harm my setup?Thanks in advance Worxfan

I've done a lot of experimentation on this specifically. From what I found, there was no positive effect from moving pagefile to a different drive or spliting it between 2 drives. I also found there was no positive effect on manually settings the size of the pagefile.

- Red

 

 

E8500 @ 4.1 | EVGA 275GTX (overclocked) | 2x2GB Mushkin Enhanced Redline @ 1066 | Samsung 24inch LCD @ 1920x1080 |

You should all but avoid using the pagefile while simming anyways. If you go into performance in the task manager then resource monitor.. the last square for memory should not be active at all, this is the one for the pagefile. Anytime it's accessed/or there is a hard fault, it means the kernel has complete control of the CPU and won't give back control until it's finished... not good.

You should all but avoid using the pagefile while simming anyways. If you go into performance in the task manager then resource monitor.. the last square for memory should not be active at all, this is the one for the pagefile. Anytime it's accessed/or there is a hard fault, it means the kernel has complete control of the CPU and won't give back control until it's finished... not good.
Use that advice at your own risk.

- Red

 

 

E8500 @ 4.1 | EVGA 275GTX (overclocked) | 2x2GB Mushkin Enhanced Redline @ 1066 | Samsung 24inch LCD @ 1920x1080 |

Use that advice at your own risk.
I didn't see any specific advice given. Perhaps you've misinterpreted his "avoid using the page file" comment to mean "don't use a page file". Avoid using the page file simply means get more RAM.
You should all but avoid using the pagefile while simming anyways. If you go into performance in the task manager then resource monitor.. the last square for memory should not be active at all, this is the one for the pagefile. Anytime it's accessed/or there is a hard fault, it means the kernel has complete control of the CPU and won't give back control until it's finished... not good.
That is a HUGE no-no and is bound to cause out of memory error for windows or endless crashes unless you have 8GB or more memory. Toms Hardware did a whole article on this a while ago... give me some time to find it.

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gman!

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Hi Experts,I recently installed a second hdd on my computer, I have Windows XP and other files on my C: drive and Flightsim X and Flightsim 9 on the D: drive. There is a pagefile on the C: drive and non on the D: drive. Would it benefit Flightsim if I created a Pagefile on the D: drive, or would it harm my setup?Thanks in advance Worxfan
Keep it as you have it.

Rhett

7800X3D 96 GB G.Skill Flare  Gigabyte 4090  Crucial P5 Plus 2TB

I didn't see any specific advice given. Perhaps you've misinterpreted his "avoid using the page file" comment to mean "don't use a page file". Avoid using the page file simply means get more RAM.
You're right, that's what I meant as that seems to be what the responder said, but I may be mistaking.

- Red

 

 

E8500 @ 4.1 | EVGA 275GTX (overclocked) | 2x2GB Mushkin Enhanced Redline @ 1066 | Samsung 24inch LCD @ 1920x1080 |

Moving the page file nets absolutely nothing in performance with typical modern home/game systems. A server or other high memory demand application setup which has the real potential to exceed physical memory and the admin has correctly ascertained performance of the workstation is hindered by paging. Its only needed if the memory of the system in question may be overrun and the use demands a better, more optimized storage approach by placing the page file on a different volume, and, that volume is faster or equal to the OS partition.None the less any access of a mechanical volume page file kills perf, period. A typoical game system which has the right amount of physical memory installed will probably never access that file, nor will that page file size or location have any affect (positive or negative) on Windows or system performance unless the system runs out of available physical memoryIn those cases adding more memory is a much better option than a remote page file.There must be a minimum page file on the OS drive or diagnostics are not possible in the event of a crash and it must be a 4K allocation due to Windows VM Management allocates in 4K pages. Since WindowsXP SP2 no Windows install can be loaded onto partition with a allocation size of greater than 4K which was designed into Windows from XP-SP2 forwardWindows will refuse to boot after attempting to install on any volume greater than 4K The system only needs a page file for diagnostics and program boot allocation when the system memory is well above the users max use. Some programs demand a page file be present when they are booted, most do not. Turning the page file completely off can be done but only after the proper assessment of the system use with applications. In those cases is still wise to leave a small page on the OS drive in the event of a crash so a minimum dump may occur. If a situation were to demand a page file move, Windows will always use the largest page volume first, which means leaving a smaller size on the OS drive allows crash dumps and that small area will not be used unless the larger file area is exhausted.. Bottom line: Games and home systems, leave the page on the OS partition and either allow the SYSTEM MANAGED function or set STATIC which will reduce fragmentation of the file should it be used, which is rare3072-3072 is a very safe STATIC value and uless you are running A/V editing, scientific/engineering programs I doubt any more would ever be needed. Either way is fineIf a home or game user is running 2GB or less in this day and age, its a heck of a lot cheaper to buy more memory than its to run a poor application off mechanical disk page file.. as a matter of fact to do it that way is quite silly. It is better to increase the system memory than try and set up a page file on a faster external from the OS volumeFor those who would like more information about the VM/page and physical memory.. Mark Russinovich has a few of the best blog posts on the net about the subjecthttp://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/a...21/3092070.aspxhttp://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/a...17/3155406.aspxGame systems that have 4-6GB of PM would not require any pagefile tuning

Thanks people, I appreciate the opinions expressed and I now know what to do. A special word of appreciation to Nic_N for his thorough expert answer, I secretly hoped for an answer from him as we all know he is THE expert!

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