The DreamFleet Baron has both Captain & CoPilot 2D panels with click spots to switch back and forth. Very nice. (Sure beats panning!)But I'm running multiple monitors and I would like to have both panels open simultaneously on adjacent monitors. Essentially a single, very wide complete- full width panel.I can open the copilot panel, undock it and drag to monitor #2- but that deletes the pilot panel on #1 mon.. And vice versa. In Panel Cfg these panels are set up as Views rather than Popups- which are easily undocked & dragged.Any thoughts on how I might be able to display both panel views simultaneously?Alex Reid

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Ed- I have the impression that DreamFleet is defunct. Googling DF just takes you to FlightSim forums where the posts seem pretty ancient.Lou Betti - where are you?Alex Reid

Ed- I have the impression that DreamFleet is defunct. Googling DF just takes you to FlightSim forums where the posts seem pretty ancient.Lou Betti - where are you?Alex Reid

Alex, I don't have that specific aircraft, but there's nothing to prevent you from reworking the panel.cfg to however you like it to be. Use another panel.cfg that will allow you to do what you wish as a "sample" and then rework the copilot's 2d panel configuration to match it.

Alex, I don't have that specific aircraft, but there's nothing to prevent you from reworking the panel.cfg to however you like it to be. Use another panel.cfg that will allow you to do what you wish as a "sample" and then rework the copilot's 2d panel configuration to match it.

Fr Bill- Yes,I have played with panel.cfg but no result. But then one's brain does slow with age!I'm happy with the two available panel views- Cap. & FO- but there is no apparent way to display both simultaneously. Bring up the FO panel on monitor #1, undock it and drag it to #2 causes Captain panel to disappear. I've found no way to have both open at same time- as is easy to do with popups. Is there something in PCfg that says- "if this panel, delete the other"? Do you happen to know the significance of the PCfg line in each view or popup- "visible=0" ?The Panels I'm interested in show this as "visible=1". (Actually there are 4 panels available- IFR & Landing for Cap. & FO.)---------------------Sure would be nice to have the designers offer mating, tightly synched left & right panels for us multi mon folks! Then with a full width/ 2 monitor/ 30"+ wide panel and a triple wide 135

Hi AlexThere's nothing in the panel.cfg file that would cause the behaviour you describe. At what point exactly does the captain's panel disappear? As soon as the F/O panel is selected? undocked? or actually on the second monitor? Depending on the answer, I may possibly be able to make a good guess at why it's happening.-Dai

Hi AlexThere's nothing in the panel.cfg file that would cause the behaviour you describe. At what point exactly does the captain's panel disappear? As soon as the F/O panel is selected? undocked? or actually on the second monitor? Depending on the answer, I may possibly be able to make a good guess at why it's happening.-Dai

Dai- the Baron panel has clickspots to change or swap the panel(s) from Capt. to FO. (and back again). When you then undock the changed panel and drag it to monitor #2, the original Capt panel has disappeared. (& vice versa)Phrased another way, the clickspot causes the alternate panel to be overlayed and the former panel disappears. The program logic seems to be "one or the other- not both".Alex Reid

Fr Bill- Yes,I have played with panel.cfg but no result. But then one's brain does slow with age!I'm happy with the two available panel views- Cap. & FO- but there is no apparent way to display both simultaneously. Bring up the FO panel on monitor #1, undock it and drag it to #2 causes Captain panel to disappear. I've found no way to have both open at same time- as is easy to do with popups. Is there something in PCfg that says- "if this panel, delete the other"? Do you happen to know the significance of the PCfg line in each view or popup- "visible=0" ?The Panels I'm interested in show this as "visible=1". (Actually there are 4 panels available- IFR & Landing for Cap. & FO.)---------------------Sure would be nice to have the designers offer mating, tightly synched left & right panels for us multi mon folks! Then with a full width/ 2 monitor/ 30"+ wide panel and a triple wide 135

Hi AlexOkay - the bad news is I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do about it. The change of panels is coded in one or more gauges and my guess is that it's done so that the F/O panel (when activated) leaves you looking down the runway with the same view as the captain gets. I've had to resort to a similar tactic on my current project for this reason as I have found that only IDENT_MAIN_PANEL maintains the position of the outside forward view (eyepoint, offset etc) if it has been changed from the default settings. If someone knows different I'd love to hear; IDENT_MAIN_PANEL_ALTx doesn't seem to work. I recall Bill saying that this problem only arises when not run in fullscreen mode but I'm willing to be corrected on that.-Dai

Hi AlexOkay - the bad news is I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do about it. The change of panels is coded in one or more gauges and my guess is that it's done so that the F/O panel (when activated) leaves you looking down the runway with the same view as the captain gets. I've had to resort to a similar tactic on my current project for this reason as I have found that only IDENT_MAIN_PANEL maintains the position of the outside forward view (eyepoint, offset etc) if it has been changed from the default settings. If someone knows different I'd love to hear; IDENT_MAIN_PANEL_ALTx doesn't seem to work. I recall Bill saying that this problem only arises when not run in fullscreen mode but I'm willing to be corrected on that.-Dai

Thanks Dai- Yes the view (Fwd) is identical for both Capt & FO panels. But what I want is the FO panel plus View Fwd Right, on the right monitor. So back to my old tactic of creating a dummy FO panel via popups! Here is a screenie to show where I'm at. (Screen shots distort engine nacelle appearance by showing monitors in a flat plane- whereas outer mons are actually angled toward pilot. And screenies, by eliminating bezels, compress the views causing a further distortion.)Thanks for your interestAlex ReidDreamFleet Baron-Dawn R09 CYYJ

Hi Alex To be honest this post is a sort of thinking out loud affair !! :( Have you tried commenting out the gauges on the FO panel and then see if it will move .I suppose you could then re introduce the gauges until you find the offender .As I say It is just a thought, may be of no use what so ever :( Mark

Hi Alex To be honest this post is a sort of thinking out loud affair !! :( Have you tried commenting out the gauges on the FO panel and then see if it will move .I suppose you could then re introduce the gauges until you find the offender .As I say It is just a thought, may be of no use what so ever :( Mark

No problem opening, undocking and relocating FO panel.But then the Capt panel has disappeared. If you then click to restore Capt. panel, FO panel disappears.Thanks for your interest.Alex Reid

No problem opening, undocking and relocating FO panel.But then the Capt panel has disappeared. If you then click to restore Capt. panel, FO panel disappears.Thanks for your interest.Alex Reid

Perhaps the following method will work for you (depending on how you have your multiple monitors configured): Make a bitmap with both panels stitched together using paintshop (or equivalent) and then re-write the panel.cfg so that the Capt. and F.O. gauges are all correctly placed. If you are clever about the stitching part, it will just be a question of copy and paste followed by adding the required pixel offset to the entries (which you can do in MS Excel btw by importing the entries as comma deliminated data)...There might still be a problem with some gauges though - sometimes there are issues when two instances of the same gauge exist in the same panel which can be a pain in the ****! In this situation (I had problems with the EHSI) you'll need to find a 3rd party equivalent to use in the 2nd position.What you then have is one wide panel and if you are using your multiple monitors through a triplehead2go then you can stretch the panel over two screens (or even three, if you make the appropriate bitmap). You might be able to do this without a TH2G depending on your card and drivers - I don't know...I have done something similar with the Aerosoft Eurowings Pro BAe panel which I now run at 3840x1200 resolution over two screens (see links)Screenshot at full resolution (http://www.tapiopix.com/GCS0174_big.jpg)The whole thing (http://www.fsnordic.net/discussion/index.php/topic,61583.msg1108045.html#msg1108045)Cheers,Geoff

Perhaps the following method will work for you (depending on how you have your multiple monitors configured): Make a bitmap with both panels stitched together using paintshop (or equivalent) and then re-write the panel.cfg so that the Capt. and F.O. gauges are all correctly placed. If you are clever about the stitching part, it will just be a question of copy and paste followed by adding the required pixel offset to the entries (which you can do in MS Excel btw by importing the entries as comma deliminated data)...There might still be a problem with some gauges though - sometimes there are issues when two instances of the same gauge exist in the same panel which can be a pain in the ****! In this situation (I had problems with the EHSI) you'll need to find a 3rd party equivalent to use in the 2nd position.What you then have is one wide panel and if you are using your multiple monitors through a triplehead2go then you can stretch the panel over two screens (or even three, if you make the appropriate bitmap). You might be able to do this without a TH2G depending on your card and drivers - I don't know...I have done something similar with the Aerosoft Eurowings Pro BAe panel which I now run at 3840x1200 resolution over two screens (see links)Screenshot at full resolution (http://www.tapiopix.com/GCS0174_big.jpg)The whole thing (http://www.fsnordic.net/discussion/index.php/topic,61583.msg1108045.html#msg1108045)Cheers,Geoff

Thanks Geoff- But I'm afraid your technical skills far exceed mine!!!! That combined shot however, is pretty close to the mark. I think I had better stick with what I presently have. ---------------------------But here is a thought for the panel designers-Consider a 2D instrument panel in two mating segments (Capt & FO) to use on 2 side by side Wide Screen monitors- that are physically Rotated 90