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FSUIPC -- Todays announcement Observation

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I do not see anyone discussing the first thing I thought when I read that announcement:I will get FSUIPC and not pay a penny.Wha?! I know that is what you are saying. Read the announcement again again, especially the part where it says 'what you get if you don't pay.' It lists (IMHO) the single biggest time consuming offering that FSUIPC offers, the memory offsets for panels. Holy smokes batman! Sure, I don't get 'control spike elimination', or those nifty weather settings. But I don't need them so much(nice, not necessary though) What I really need FSUIPC is for the 3rd party addons, and it appears I will have no problems.Now, seriously, did I miss something? I don't think so, but the utter lack of comment on that important(to me anyway) part of the announcement is making me wonder...

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>Now, seriously, did I miss something? I don't think so, but>the utter lack of comment on that important(to me anyway) part>of the announcement is making me wonder...No Fred, you didn't miss anything. Imagine that, a developer who is critisised for going payware giving something away for nothing! unbelievable.And even better, as Pete put in his press release:- <<* Free registration of either FSUIPC or WideFS to those who donated $10 or more>>Well that covers me then as well. I gave him quite a bit more than that via Simmarket some time ago!RegardsTim http://www.cambridgeflyingclub.com/images/timavatar2.jpg

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In fact you *are* missing something. What you'll get in the free version is a locked version of the variable interface. It waits for your utility to proof that the maker of the utility did the paying for you, or at least got a free key from Pete. Until your utility has done this, there will be no interfacing!

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What you'll get in the free version is a locked version of the variable interface. It waits for your utility to proof that the maker of the utility did the paying for you, or at least got a free key from Pete. Until your utility has done this, there will be no interfacing!So what?Pete stated clearly that truly freeware products will get an access key. Rest assured that payware products that rely on FSUIPC have to be "accredited", otherwise they become useless.In fact you *are* missing somethingCan it be that is is you who is missing something? -:)Stamatis

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No, I'm not missing anything. The original poster implied that the free FSUIPC version contains the fully functional variable interface minus the extra utilities. I just show the differences.

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Ditto above.Payware producers will have no problem in paying for accreditation but then this may/probably will put their prices up slightly - unless of course they decide to develop their own IPC handler.You also have the issue of older packages - do they abandon upgrading them to FS2004 since they would also have to incorporate the new FSUIPC controls.Your existing payware aircraft that rely on FSUIPC will not work in FS2004 unless you pay for a licence key or the developer does - freeware would need to be re-released.Correct me if I'm wrong.You'll probably find that as a direct result of this, licence keys will start to float around p2p sites and such.Why hasn't MS either bought FSUIPC or developed/integrated their own code for FS2004?

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Your existing payware aircraft that rely on FSUIPC will not work in FS2004 unless you pay for a licence key or the developer doesIf the developer does not buy a key, then his product, thus business, becomes history. As I read it in the various fora, most if not all well known developers have already announced that they will buy a key and support FSUIPC, so why do you keep worrying?freeware would need to be re-released."freware" what? Aircraft? No, FS2002 aircraft work fine in FS2004, so why re-release them?Any truly freeware developer whose product(s) required FSUIPC to work has been promised an access key by Peter, so where is the problem guys?Why do I get the impression that we like to worry about fictional problems?Stamatis

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I had no problem obtaining a key for my freeware TCAS gauge. It has been tested with a beta payware version, and it successfully can access TCAS data through FSUIPC. I think people are freaking out for no good reason. Give Pete a break.Lee Hetherington (KBED)

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So I have 100+ freeware panels on my HD that may require FSUIPC. What do I do? Should I mail the 100+ authors and ask them to apply for the key, activate the new FSUIPC interface and then upload the new "accredited" freeware? Never mind the added work load for the original freeware authors. What about the 700+ hours of dialup connection I have to go through all over again to get the same 100+ "keyed" freeware panels? Nope, It just doesn't work for me. Smells worse every minute...Mauricio

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If you really have 100+ panels(!!) that require FSUIPC, maybe you are better off staying with FS2002?Nobody ever guarnteed to you that your "100+ panels" will keep functioning with any future version of FS, regardless of FSUIPC or not.Stamatis

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You are in fact completely missing the point, just like so many others who complain and complained that Pete was forced to go commercial: you fail to appreciate the work Pete's been doing on behalf of the community for so long at high cost to himself and without any payment in whatever form at all!It's attitudes like that that caused the donation program to fail so misserably that some people tried to donate negative amounts...

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What would be really useful is a reference in the file library that stated whether each 2002 file will work in 2004 or whether an individual/block key is required to be obtained by the downloader. Is this possible?

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>You are in fact completely missing the point, just like so>many others who complain and complained that Pete was forced>to go commercial: you fail to appreciate the work Pete's been>doing on behalf of the community for so long at high cost to>himself and without any payment in whatever form at all!Directed toward whom, me?>It's attitudes like that that caused the donation program to>fail so misserably that some people tried to donate negative>amounts...I suppose. I fully intend to buy FSUIPC, but right now I have no money with which to do so. I am a 17 year old kid living at home with my parents. FS2k4 is my next 'major' purchase, if my parents will lend me the money(yea yea, I need a job ;-)) So, unfortunetly I do not have the means to go do what PD rightfully can/should ask. I am greateful that PD apparently considered people like me. I find that one more reason to (eventually) buy FSUIPC.

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Me? Fail to appreciate? I am the first to praise Pete's work. FSUIPC is first class, just like a bunch of other freeware out there despite the tendency of this whole thing to go payware. My point is: tell me Pete had built a fabulous freeware aircraft and then decided to sell it. Good for him. It is my choice to buy it or not. If I don't I'll miss a single piece of payware, probably a great piece of payware if it comes from Pete, but it is still only one piece of payware. I have no problem with that. But.... tell me Pete built an interface and got most payware and a lot of freeware to depend on it. Once everybody is hooked it goes payware, the cards are dealed and everybody gets nailed. Freeware developers who thought their software would make it deep into FS9 and beyond, are faced with the hassle of having to apply for a key and re-release their software. And even if they do, it won't be their software anymore because it depends on the all-mighty FSUIPC module to work. Pete's signature has to be engraved in its loins. This I have a problem with.As for the payware addons, who do you think will end up paying for FSUIPC? The end user of course! Prices will soar, take my word for it.Gotta go. Stench is killing me.....Mauricio

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Ok... then isn't it worth $20 for all that time and effort? If you purchase the product outright, you don't have to wait for the freeware authors to obtain keys - YOUR key will blanket it all. Or, continue using the freeware within FS2002. Never forget that FSUIPC is still a completely free item within FS2002. Just the fact that 100 panels of yours may rely on FSUIPC should be evendence enought that it's a worthwhile program to invest in! Just a thought...-Greg

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hi,Mauricio I agree. While I do appreciate what Pete has done for the hobby. What bothers me is even if I do buy fsuipc, Payware developers will end up passing the cost of licencing fsuipc to the end user. So it will be like paying for fsuipc everytime you buy a payware addon even though you already bought the module for 22 bucks from Pete. You probably will start seeing $40 bucks per plane as the norm for an addon utilizing the fsuipc module. (Ex. Pmdg, they licenced fsuipc and their product is $40 bucks).Andrew

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OK guys, I think some of you need a very detailed explanation. Let me see if I can provide the explanation or I'm the one needing one. If you have a FREEWARE panel or any other FREEWARE add-on that works in FS2002 needing FSUIPC, and then you want to use it in FS2004, you will have to: 1) Download from the major sites (AVSIM and others), the NEW FSUIPC 3.0 FREEWARE VERSION (the same procedure that you did before to get the latest FSUIPC for FS2002). 2) Wait until the developer of the FREEWARE add-on has received from Pete Dowson a FREE KEY, so the developer can use the new interface and create an update for his FS2002 add-on so it can work in FS2004 (then he will release a patch for his product). The developer will not incur in any kind of economical transaction. So his product can still be FREE, and you will enjoy it as you did in FS2002. EXAMPLE (speculating): Oleksy Folov and his GREAT Dash 8-300Q requires FSUIPC in FS2002 to work. We then have to wait until Oleksy talks with Pete Dowson and then he gets the FREE KEY to access the limited required interface of the new FSUIPC 3.0. Oleksy then will create a patch for his Dash 8 and he will release it as a FREE PATCH. Voila! You have now this great Dash 8 working in FS2004 for FREE!.If you are wondering if your 100+ FREEWARE panels that you have now will work with the new FSUIPC 3.0 then you have to ask the developers if they still plan to create a patch. This is the only risk you assume with FREEWARE products, the developers can keep it up-to-date or not. They are now in the necessity to upgrade their old product to work with the NEW FS2004 and its NEW interface, FSUIPC 3.0. Now, if you ask me why Pete changed from freeware to payware now? I think that now is the best (and only) moment to do it, why?, because is now when a NEW interface (FSUIPC) was needed to be developed. It is now, when a NEW simulator (FS2004) is coming and is NOW when this new sim needs a NEW interface.For how long and how many PAYWARE products has used Pete's work for its own economical benefits? I think it's time for Pete to get the slice of the cake he deserves. But the best thing is that Pete cares about FREEWARE and he still developed a FREEWARE FSUIPC THAT WILL KEEP FREEWARE PRODUCTS WORKING AS PREVIOUS VERSIONS.That is something to respect and applaud, not something to attack. Thanks Pete, you have my sympathy and respect, keep up the great job.Carlos.

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Well said Carlos. Sure, it is a pain to have to wait until freeware developers get the free(you have got to love that word) key, but all in all I think Peter has been more than fair, allowing freeware developers the opportunity to use his module without paying.So, in the end, you don't pay a thing if you don't want to. Seems like a right good deal to me.

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Quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------"...Pete's been doing on behalf of the community for so long at high cost to himself and without any payment in whatever form at all!"--------------------------------------------------------------------Just curious, how much did it really cost Pete? I am not complaining about the fee. However, it is a pain and not very cost effective for the addon developers to have to re-release a particular piece of software. Can the software be patched? And if so at what cost to the developer?

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What bothers me is even if I do buy fsuipc, Payware developers will end up passing the cost of licencing fsuipc to the end user.First of all, nobody forces you to buy FSUIPC. You can still use the "freeware" version for nothing.As to the developers ending up passing the cost to the end user, wouldn't they be doing the same if they had developed the interface themselves?And trust me, in that case it would cost them a lot more because the development costs would have to be ammortized over the sales of only their product.We are definitely spoilt in this community!Stamatis

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If the developers had developed the interface, there would have been no extra cost for the interface. Do the developer have to buy a license for each piece of software, or is one license good for all a companies software? Is the cost for a developer the same as the cost for Joe Average? As for being spoiled, no we are not. People fly for the love of the game. Freeware developers release for the love of the game. Payware developers are companies, its all about the bottom line. I will purchase Pete's product. I feel that the in all the complaints, individuals only care about themselves. So I ask what of the developers? How will this impact them and future develpements? Just playing Devil' Advocate.

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From a post above:_____________________________________________Should I mail the 100+ authors and ask them to apply for the key, activate the new FSUIPC interface ..._____________________________________________Absolutely not. Don't ask! DEMAND! If they don't like it they can take it up with Pete.Now, this is not my personal opinion; but I can see this happening over and over again and these great "Freeware" providers getting hassled again and again and for what? Some kind of pyramid payment scheme being perpetrated on the community. I for one, have a lot of FSUIPC required panels. I'm just gonna wait on my FS2004 purchase for a little while. Maybe Microsoft can save us all a lot of pain.

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BINGO!There you go, that's what I wanted to hear. How many people are gonna do just like you and put FS9 on hold until all this smoke clears off? Hey Gates! Are you listening? You better go after Pete or come up with an FSUIPC of your own if you really want to sell the new sim! I think Pete just killed 40% of your short term sales perspective. Geez I guess Billy's wife is gonna have to get rid of the Benz after all...Mauricio

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