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XP 64 bit, 195.62 nvidia drivers, got some nasty bezel lines i never seen before after updating nvidia drivers, is there a quick fix, or is PMDG working on an update for this? As you can see in the following pictures, this "graphical glitch" presents a horrible looking cockpit. It takes away much of the enjoyment of flying the aircraft because the bezel lines moving everywhere have a tendency to make you nauseous when turning etc. I paid quite a bit of $$$ for this aircraft and I am not satisfied with the product. I have the 747, MD-11, and several other aircraft with extremely detailed VC cockpits and this is the only one with the problem. This also happens to be my favorite aircraft in FSX. It is virtually unflyable because as much as I have tried, i can't ignore the bezel lines

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I'll add to Tom's comment, I've got no problems either and we certainly would have ######ed during beta testing if we saw it. You'll have to play with your settings, because the panel on this bird is stunning.

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What resolution are you running at. What's your level of Antialiasing? What's your level of anastrophic filtering?Usually cranking any one of these or all in combination solves this issue.

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Yes the screen res could have something to do with it too. Manual states a minimum of 1280x1024, but I use 1680x1050 as it's the native resolution of my LCD monitor. I know from experience when I was trying to do a split screen of the tutorial PDF and FS that using a lower screen res (it changes when you change the size of the FS window) causes some undesirable effects on the panel.Regards,Tom Wright

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Yes the screen res could have something to do with it too. Manual states a minimum of 1280x1024, but I use 1680x1050 as it's the native resolution of my LCD monitor. I know from experience when I was trying to do a split screen of the tutorial PDF and FS that using a lower screen res (it changes when you change the size of the FS window) causes some undesirable effects on the panel.Regards,Tom Wright
First off, I bought this aircraft and had no bezel lines at all until I updated my nvidia drivers. I did what anyone would do, I rolled back my drivers, no joy. I deleted the J41 and reinstalled with the update, still the same thing. My resolution is 1440 X 900. I have a 19" LCD and that is the highest resolution possible. My nvidia control panel has been set to application controled, in FSX I use anti-aliasing with anisotropic filtering. I tweaked the nvidia control panel and set nvidia to user controlled with anti-aliasing to 16, super sampling on, anisotropic to 16, still no difference. I have read through the forum and there are several other customers with the very same problem. Am I just out of luck on this or will PMDG fix this?

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Just rolled my drivers all the way back to 180.48, the bezel line problem is just as bad.

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Am I just out of luck on this or will PMDG fix this?
I'm afraid there is nothing to fix. This is obviously a display issue. Are you running full screen? Windowed? Experiment with your settings. You had it working fine before so this is a system specific problem.

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Iv'e always had this problem with this panel. When I initially installed the JS I noticed it & tried numerous settings & drivers including enhancer, none of which fixed it & I have learned to live with it so far. It's unfortunate as it does detract somewhat from a great aircraft. I have my screen resolution set to 1680 x 1050 which works fine for all my other aircraft. I saw some reference to it in another post & thought it was being looked at.If someone has a fix for it that would be great to hear. Ross Casey

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This is a common problem and the only way, I believe, to solve it is by using supersampling AA which really hits your FPS hard. -Alex

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As Vin hinted earlier, the aliasing and filtering adjustments are supposed to solve this problem. It's how you get lines to look smooth on a display that is pixelated.

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I've already experimented with using all anti-aliasing settings, anisotropic settings, and yes supersampling. I have 2 1gb video cards in sli so i didn't take much of a hit with AA set to 16, anisotropic 16, and supersampling, i've tried every possible combination to no avail. A good indicator is look at the top of the instrument panel dash board...it is ultra smooth as well as everything else in the cockpit EXCEPT the front instrument panel. when u zoom in close, it almost appears as if there is a extremely small gap in the textures around all of the 3d buttons, panel features and MFD's. i have other aircraft with very detailed 3d virtual cockpit features...i.e. cs 757, 767 etc with no bezel lines whatsoever. I think it might be in the coding or something.

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I'm really a hardware novice, but I've read many times that dual cards do not do very well with MSFS. I don't know why, but maybe this is a clue.

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I'm really a hardware novice, but I've read many times that dual cards do not do very well with MSFS. I don't know why, but maybe this is a clue.
I have (2) EVGA 9800 GTX+ each at 1GB of DDR3. I was running them on SLi mode, but after reading the last response I disabled sli and tried it out. result: bezel lines cleaned up alot but not entirely gone, but manageable now. the biggest thing was my performance increase. On one video card, i set antroscopic filtering to enhance application X8, supersampling, and antialiasing to 16...yes 16. result: drastic increase in FPS. have FSX SP2 which "supports" SLI, howver it appears the fli was actually slowing my performance on FSX, anyone have the same experience?

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Yeah i was hoping my new rig would have got rid of the lines around the bezels but guess I need to tweak the settings some. Im only running a 9800gt with 512 on the card but 6 gigs on my mother board. I dont normally mess around with the graphic card settings but if i can be lessened then I guess ill give it a shot. I tried Nvidias beta drivers and it only made fsx really bad. Im also running in dx10 preview mode. I guess I will start by unchecking that. Oh im now running win7 64bit before that i was in XP pro 32bit. My frames did increase with win7 though.

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I have the same problem...and can't get rid of it.I have an excellent FSX rig with excellent frame rates.I do not have the problem with PMDG 747 or other aircraft.If the FS geeks can't solve the riddle, I suspect the problem is in the PMDG VC design.I think we need a patch.zach

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If you are using nHancer, try setting the Anti-Alaising setting for your FSX profile to Supersampling 3X3 (or 4X4 if you have the horsepower). That worked for me with a GTX 275 with the latest nVidia drivers and Win7 64.Dave Webster

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After several test flights under various weather and light conditions, the problem is still there. My methods of trying to reduce the bezel lines have reduced performance in this particular aircraft, but increased performance in others. I too agree we need a patch for this, it seems like the problem is wide spread. I think the problem resides somewhere in j42 sp1 or the new nvidia drivers, because when i updated both of those is when i went from an amazing cockpit to an unflyable aircraft. I remember when the md-11 had the horrible light shading problem in the cockpit for night lights, and it was fixed in an update, i think this can be fixed too, seeing the amount od money we paid for it, and we can't get a refund.

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I do agree. I have exact the same problem! What we need is a patch or something to fix this. I have spent the whole Sunday today trying to fix this, but no. No sucsess!There must be a way to fix this... Please PMDG take a look at this and help us out here.Its such a shame, on a nice and accurate bird that is just awsome and stunning in all other aspects...RegardsPer St

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If you are using nHancer, try setting the Anti-Alaising setting for your FSX profile to Supersampling 3X3 (or 4X4 if you have the horsepower). That worked for me with a GTX 275 with the latest nVidia drivers and Win7 64.Dave Webster
This works on my system (GTX 285) but it kills my framerate to the point that it's unusable. -Alex

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From dictionary.com: bezel [bez-uhl]–noun 1. Also, basil. the diagonal face at the end of the blade of a chisel, or the like, leading to the edge. 2. Jewelry. a. that part of a ring, bracelet, etc., to which gems are attached. b. crown (def. 27). 3. a grooved ring or rim holding a gem, watch crystal, etc., in its setting. 4. Automotive. the part of a vehicle's bodywork that surrounds a light. The way you're using the word "bezel" doesn't seem to fit any of these definitions, and it seems to me that you're talking about "aliasing", which is the graphics card's rendering of angled lines as jagged edges, rather than smooth ones.As was discussed by other members of the development and beta teams, this is almost certainly a local issue, caused by the settings in your nVidia drivers. My advice is to dump the "latest" nVidia drivers and regress to the ones you had before, particularly if they provided better visuals. As has often been discussed on these forums, the latest video drivers are not necessarily the best for MSFS application. A search for Nick Needham's set-up posts would probably help you -- search for user "Nick_N".Let us know how you fare!
Actually the definition does include the trim around an instrument or even your monitor.Mike S.

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Actually the definition does include the trim around an instrument or even your monitor.
Yes, it does. But that wasn't the way the word was being used. :(

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I rolled back to my orinalnal drivers which are over 2 years old, and increased my antialiasing to everything from x2 to x20. I used nhancer and set everything to recommended settings. Nothing fixed the issue. Can someone from the PMDG team test out the J41 cockpit on an XP system with the latest nvidia drivers? Judging from the responses to this post and other post of the same issue, this is a very widespread problem. Like I said I have many aircraft with very complex VC's and this is the only one with the lines.1: rolling back drivers/ fresh reinstall/ adjusting antialiasing does nothing.2: regarding use of bezel lines: thats why I provided the pictures3: if this can't be fixed I believe it is more than reasonable to give me a full refund.

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