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Hi folks!Having just got myself a Windows 7 core i7 machine, I obviously set about transferring my fsx and PMDG setup as soon as possible. The first hint of trouble to come was that it took me most of a day to get fsx activated

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Hi folks!Having just got myself a Windows 7 core i7 machine, I obviously set about transferring my fsx and PMDG setup as soon as possible. The first hint of trouble to come was that it took me most of a day to get fsx activated

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did you try to give the FSX.exe admin rights? Right click on it and then look for the "execute as administrator"-option. Maybe this will help?!
Hi Holger, and thanks for replying. :( In fact, the multiple reinstalls were precisely because I was trying every combination of "Run as Administrator" combined (or not) with setting compatibility mode to XP (*and* run as admin) combined with putting it somewhere sensible or allowing it to install itself below Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X. Somehow, I eventually found a combination that worked, but the irritating thing is that I can't now be certain what it was. I *think* it may have been using compatibility mode but not running as admin (and also giving it its choice of install location)

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Hi Brian, Sorry to see your having issues. The only problem with installing to your own choice in directory is remembering to change to that directory when installing your addons. Most of my addons do a gppd job with finding my FSX directory but some do not. I avoid Program files at all costs personally and have never had key issues or the other admin issues I read from others. I also never need to set compatibility mode, I have tried this to fix texture issues but for me the only fix for that was in XP (I have tried Vista SP2 mode in Win7 but didn't work for me). Doing a reinstall is a painful ordeal to say the least, but if you ever do it again, I would just say be careful to make sure when installing the SP's and your addons that they go to right place and you should be fine. I'd also recommend installing sims and games on a seperate drive altogether, such as D:\FSX or what-not.Good luck bud!

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Hi Dan!Many thanks for your comments. :(

I avoid Program files at all costs personally...
Yeah, me too

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Cool beans, no one likes a reinstall.As for FSX, there isn't a number of reinstalls, or any limit what so ever. There's even a misconception about PMDG's products where it isn't the number of reinstalls, it's your setup. So if you did a few complete or major hardware upgrages, then it would minus an alotted installation but only then and under those circumstances. Personally, I have installed FSX well over 50 times (I've done lots of Beta testing) and my PMDG 747 has been reinstalled a good 20+ times including probably 3 major upgrades so far and 0 validation issues.Anywho, good luck with the new install. May it last until the next Flight Sim is created :(

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<sigh> As far as the activation was concerned, when it failed to activate ("A technical problem occurred while accessing the online server") I tried the radio button for phone activation, but it didn't respond, and I eventually had to kill the activation process via Task Manager. So that option may not be available to me

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The PMDG-related problem happened when I tried to set up my joystick, and I discovered that key commands added to the Add-ons PMDG menu were not saved on exiting fsx. As a workaround I disabled UAC: that fixed it, but ideally I would prefer a somewhat less broad-brush solution. I'm assuming that the problem has something to do with folder permissions or ownership, and that if I knew what to fix then I could set up whatever is needed and restore UAC again. This belief, although based on little evidence, is bolstered by the fact that in the miscellaneous section of the PMDG Downloads section I notice that there is a utility called "MD-11X OS Detect/Fix", which "Finds/Fixes folder permission problems for FSX MD-11 Installations" (although I don't know whether it works with Win7).
Ya know, I should actually read your original post and maybe next time I could help with your original problem, Doh!I think most of us have had the issue where our settings weren't saved. There are a few things that it could be but here is the main two I have found:
  1. The key asignment is already taken by an addon or one of your controllers in FS.
    • Fix, go through every drop down for every controller you have and take the time to delete any joystick asigment and/or keyboard asignment you don't need or want.
    • By the time your done, you will most likely know exactly all the ones that are available from memory.
    • I delete about 80% and spend an hour or more in there after a fresh install since I have 5 controllers seen by FSX :-(
    • Keep in mind also that if you replug in a usb device while FS is running, it will often see it my it's registry value (or some new string) and your defaults for that controller will be reset to FS defaults. This can also happen with hiccups in a slow system while FS is actually running, where the USB controller seems to reset.

[*]The other is not having permissions due to the stupid security issues. That is easily overcome with the already known right click, run as admin procedure.

Controller issues have a couple fixes if no matter what, you still have problems, this will also help people that don't have trusted sections in their FSX.cfg. (This will reset everything, your FSX.cfg as well as controls.xml)Hold down CTRL+Shift and boot FSX. Hold the keys while it boots and it will recreate everything and reprompt you for anything you may have either missed or accidentally said no to.Before you do that, if it is a controller or registry issue I would also take this step.(This will delete your controllers in windows itself, since sometimes running a windows driver and not the manufacturers they can get all screwy).Run Regedit and browse to:+HKEY_CURRENT_USER (LOCAL_MACHINE if on XP I believe) Vista and Win7 use the current_User.+System+CurrentControlSet+Control+Media Properties+Private Properties+Direct InputDelete any folder inside the Direct Input folder that begins VID_06A3.Download and install the latest manufacturer drivers and install them (don't let windows install what it thinks, not even Win 8 that is obviously not out yet ;-)Then go ahead and do the above steps to reset FS as you know did the equivalent of reinstalling windows as far as controllers is concerned.Hope this helps,

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Hi Dan!Many thanks indeed for both your replies: yes, I was really wondering about the limit on fsx installs, since I had come across a few references on the 'net to people who ran out of the usable number. Since you reinstalled as often as you did, maybe you got round it by leaving a certain amount of time between installs, allowing the counter to reset itself (if that's the way it's set up)? :(

1. The key asignment is already taken by an addon or one of your controllers in FS.
I don't think it can be that: this was a fresh install; the keystrokes I use are extended(Ctrl+Shift+M etc) and so aren't present by default; and I received no warning messages about the fact that they were already in use.
2. The other is not having permissions due to the stupid security issues. That is easily overcome with the already known right click, run as admin procedure.
I run everything as admin, even in cases where I've set that in the compatibility mode already, so sadly it can't be that, either.I also checked out the controller issues you listed

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As for FSX, there isn't a number of reinstalls, or any limit what so ever.
That's not quite correct, it is dependent on the country where the install is being performed, determined by the IP address. Some countries have a 3 month window, others longer. I have had to reactivate FSX by phone on more than one occasion, but that's because I do a lot of testing.

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Hi Scott!

I have had to reactivate FSX by phone on more than one occasion, but that's because I do a lot of testing.
Ah

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Hi Dan!

If your comp froze and just alone the fact that the phone listing didn't come up means something else is wrong and has nothing to do with your FSX cd.
<grin>

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Hmm, there's a certain Law (most kindly referred to as "Murphy's Law", although there are other variations of the name) which dictates that things only let you down when you need them most, so on that basis I can deeply sympathise, having been a victim of it myself all too often. :(
Murphy was an optimist :(

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Murphy was an Air Force Major working on the instrumentation on the vests guys wore that rode the rocket sled. Have you seen movies of that experiment? Anyway, he is attributed as the guy who said that if something can fail it will fail.

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Having been a computer techie for over 40 years now, I maybe see problems where they don't exist. [/u]Or again, maybe I see too many possibilities?[/u] :(
You have no idea how much I know that. Sometimes I look back at my own advice and wonder how I can miss some things, and I think it's due to like you said, the amount of possibilities and trying to cover them all. Like anyone, I just try to throw out what my best guess is at the moment, but in some cases that's all it really is since there are so many.As for Murphy and his men, I am all too familiar. I am an ex Army Ranger and we have some personalized law's that he gave us (all good advice though ;-).The one thing I have yet to mention, since I personally hate the answer and to me feels like defeat is during the install there was a hiccup and a possible kink in the install. I know you too have probably built several systems, and some things cannot be always accounted for. Sometimes Windows just doesn't seem to land right (if that makes any sense). On a good month I build about 10 systems (that's a very good month) average lately is about 3 with an occasional rework for different reasons. I always do the build, flash the bios, windows install, firware if needed/available, chipset, bridge & storage driver, then get windows up to speed following the installation of any additional hardware one by one with latest drivers etc. Even Windows 7 (and 8 & 9 & 10) can and will at times have issues when seeing too many unknowns in a fresh install. Some may never see this, but I do alllllll the time. I hope for your sake of course you find it's something easier and you get her purrring soon! :)Like I say though, I hate doing just a reinstall without finding the real answer to what the problem is and why it did what it did. It's those questions that I think give you the most grey hairs.Sorry for another lengthy reply, but one more thinga ma bob...One reason I like forums is the different amount of opinions and more so the views on the same matter. It reminds me of the story of an 18 wheeler that was driving his trailer and managed to get it completely wedged under a bridge. The top state officials were called down with the best of the best engineers. The truck was so wedged under the bridge that some thought the easier way was to remove parts of the bridge and others thought it would be better to cut up the trailer. The state officials were more focused on time being the main factor since the incident backed up traffic for several miles and the transit commision was already in hot water.Anywho, they all studied what they each thought to be the most complex decision and the drawings and ideas started flying around when a 12 year old boy on his skate board happend by and simply asked; "Why don't you just let the air out of the tires?"All the master engineers and polititions paused for a moment as they realised the youth was 100% correct and they stood there in awe with both joy & shame, but most importantly, forever wiser ;-)

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Hi folks!My grateful thanks to all who have replied: I think it has now become one of those situations where maybe the search is now more significant than finding the answer

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Brian,It's definitely a permissions issue of some sort. I second what Dan said about installing FSX to it's own folder outside of Program Files (esp on Win7 x64 where you're dealing with two different Program Files folders). The cause in all of this is the file and registry virtualization the OS does when UAC is enabled. I believe it treats things different somehow when they're in the Program Files folders vs. outside of them.You can try this though, I've fixed permissions issues in the past using this:http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vis...-menu-in-vista/There's no limit to reinstalls on the same machine for our stuff like you're worried about - you shouldn't have any validation issues. The validation system is tracking a whole host of things, not just the number of installs and it has to trigger a lot of them to block you. If you have any issues with it, PM me on the forum and I'll reset it for you.Pretty much all of us on the PMDG team are on permanent phone calls to MS to activate FSX and Acceleration thanks to their silly system that only looks at the number of installs.

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Hi Ryan!And thanks for your reply.

It's definitely a permissions issue of some sort.
I concur: in fact my sub-heading to the original post title was "ownership/permissions problem".
I second what Dan said about installing FSX to it's own folder outside of Program Files (esp on Win7 x64 where you're dealing with two different Program Files folders). The cause in all of this is the file and registry virtualization the OS does when UAC is enabled. I believe it treats things different somehow when they're in the Program Files folders vs. outside of them.
<sigh> Check. The problem is that when the inability-to-activate problem strikes, it also blocks any ability to activate by phone. Hence I am extremely unwilling to blow away a working (as long as UAC remains deactivated) installation and risk trying again, even though I detest it being situated in the Program Files (x86) directory structure. (I very reluctantly let it install there following repeated fsx reinstalls, to try and eliminate something that might have been contributing to the problem).
You can try this though, I've fixed permissions issues in the past using this:http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vis...-menu-in-vista/
<grin> Thank you: good old Google had already led me to that one, which is precisely what prompted my original question

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Just in case there's any doubt, please allow me to expand on my question, above. (Sorry to add an extra post, but the Edit button seems to have vanished, for some reason).

... exactly which directories (and/or what permissions) need to be fixed?
In this particular case I guess that translates into "Which directory has the PMDG keyboard mappings file?", which raises the additional question

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Have you assigned admin rights to the pmdg folder and subfolders? Hope it helps.

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Hi Dan!

Have you assigned admin rights to the pmdg folder and subfolders? Hope it helps.
<wince> Well, as someone who looks after directory structures and what's in them as part of my day job, I was rather hoping to avoid anything as broad brush as changing *all* of the folder and file attributes in a directory tree (I could tell you War Stories...)

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