Hi.In some addon airports I have a problem: I cannot request another runway for takeoff/landing by ATC. (It is permitted if the wind allows on the "working" airports)I do this from time to time, when ATC gives me an unrealistic runway (e.g.: like landing at Rwy 22R at EKCH, where 22R is takeoff only.. I tried to change the settings for runway use with AFCAD-tools, but it didn

Hi.In some addon airports I have a problem: I cannot request another runway for takeoff/landing by ATC. (It is permitted if the wind allows on the "working" airports)I do this from time to time, when ATC gives me an unrealistic runway (e.g.: like landing at Rwy 22R at EKCH, where 22R is takeoff only.. I tried to change the settings for runway use with AFCAD-tools, but it didn

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Hello Johan,Assigning take-off or landing only runways with Afcad works without a hitch when parallel runways are in involved. However, be sure that the assignment is for both ends of the runway, otherwise it won't work.

Hello Johan,Assigning take-off or landing only runways with Afcad works without a hitch when parallel runways are in involved.

You've done this using AFCAD? What setting did you use for the reciprical RW...the same setting or the opposite?

You've done this using AFCAD? What setting did you use for the reciprical RW...the same setting or the opposite?

Hi Mike,Yes, you must use the same setting for both ends of a certain runway or else it won't work properly. If for instance you've closed 22L for landings and you must do so for 04R as well.However, if you want to use only one end of the runway no matter where the winds are blowing from, you can close the other end both for take-offs and landings. From what I've experienced it works fairly well, too.

From what I've experienced it works fairly well, too.

My experience has been totally different. I've tried it every which way, on several different ap's...no joy. I've even been told by the AFCAD "guru's" that it doesn't work, though I'd love it if it did. Am I the only one who can't seem to get this to work?Would you mind sharing one of these AFCAD's where you've had success so I could study it and perhaps see what I'm doing wrong. May I can learn something here.

I'm assuming here that "working" ap means default? If that's the case I think that it's most likely an AFCAD issue. My guess is that there will be an afcad for each of those addon ap's that give you trouble, either in thier default location or bundled in the \sceneries\scenery sub folder. To confirm this set your wind direction at one of those ap's that would favor a runway not available to you in the ATC window. If the AI don't use it, the designer somehow messed up the settings for that RW. My design team does that to me all the time, and I don't always find a logical reason for this behavior.

Mike: Well some addons has the possibility to ask for another runway, and all default airports has it. Yes, AFCAD sounds reasonable, but is there a way to change the settings using AFCAD-tool?The AI itself works fine.

Hi Mike,Yes, you must use the same setting for both ends of a certain runway or else it won't work properly. If for instance you've closed 22L for landings and you must do so for 04R as well.However, if you want to use only one end of the runway no matter where the winds are blowing from, you can close the other end both for take-offs and landings. From what I've experienced it works fairly well, too.

Well if I do this, then, as you say 04R will be used for landings aswell, but that is also wrong (for the example, EKCH). EKCH has: 22R/04R for takeoff and 22L/04L landnings.But we are drifting off topic now. This is not an issue about runways in use, but rather the possibility to ask for the other, active parallell runway in use by ATC!Btw. sorry if I was being harsh against RC. It is a fine app. and a great effort. But the audio and the non-existing ground operation simply takes it away for me.

My experience has been totally different. I've tried it every which way, on several different ap's...no joy. I've even been told by the AFCAD "guru's" that it doesn't work, though I'd love it if it did. Am I the only one who can't seem to get this to work?Would you mind sharing one of these AFCAD's where you've had success so I could study it and perhaps see what I'm doing wrong. May I can learn something here.

I hope I haven't misunderstood anything and hope we're talking about the same issue here :( It's very easy, Mike. Maybe it would be better if we would focus on a particular airport. As long as you assign the same operation for both ends of a runway it will work.If you want to use only one end of a runway, just close the other end for both landings and take-offs. FS will direct you to the "open" end only.It may be worthy to add a note though, if the visibility drops under 3NM, FS ATC will choose the ILS runway so bear that in mind when assigning runways.

Mike: Well some addons has the possibility to ask for another runway, and all default airports has it. Yes, AFCAD sounds reasonable, but is there a way to change the settings using AFCAD-tool?The AI itself works fine.Well if I do this, then, as you say 04R will be used for landings aswell, but that is also wrong (for the example, EKCH). EKCH has: 22R/04R for takeoff and 22L/04L landnings.But we are drifting off topic now. This is not an issue about runways in use, but rather the possibility to ask for the other, active parallell runway in use by ATC!

Not off topic at all! :( I know it's contrary to real life EKCH which is one of those difficult airports to replicate in FS, runway-usage wise. If you set one runway for take-off and one for landing, logically you cannot ask for the other runway. Keep both runways open for all operations and you will be able to ask for the other one.If you really want to do it the real way at EKCH, you can do this by having 2 seperate AF2 files, one for 04L/04R and another for 22L/22R according to the winds. Use one at a time (don't have both in the scenery folder at the same time!) It's not very practical but this is the only way in your situation.EDIT: Mike, if there is an airport you would like to work on, I'd be more than happy, do let me know!

Mike: Well some addons has the possibility to ask for another runway, and all default airports has it. Yes, AFCAD sounds reasonable, but is there a way to change the settings using AFCAD-tool?The AI itself works fine.Well if I do this, then, as you say 04R will be used for landings aswell, but that is also wrong (for the example, EKCH). EKCH has: 22R/04R for takeoff and 22L/04L landnings.But we are drifting off topic now. This is not an issue about runways in use, but rather the possibility to ask for the other, active parallell runway in use by ATC!Btw. sorry if I was being harsh against RC. It is a fine app. and a great effort. But the audio and the non-existing ground operation simply takes it away for me.

If I understand the question, yes you can change the settings...you can even build an entirely new ap. In AFCAD, click the wide part of the RW (it turns yellow) and r/click tobring up properties in the context menu. There will also be a thin black line in the center of that RW that you can select and r/click to get a context menu as well. You can make RW changes, which may also affect ATC, in these two places."the AI itself works fine" - but does it work fine on the RW's you're having trouble with, or do they NOT use those, or certain other RW's...even with the wind direction set to favor a "problem" RW? I ask because the AI and the ATC share the same engine. That's why you would use the AI, as well as the ATC window, to check the accuracy of an AFCAD. From what I've read in this post, certain AFCAD's aren't functioning properly. For what reason, exactly, is anyone's guess. Again, sorry if you already knew this, and I hope it's of some help to you.

If I understand the question, yes you can change the settings...you can even build an entirely new ap. In AFCAD, r/click the wide part of the RW (it turns yellow) and click properties in the context menu. There will also be a thin black line in the center of that RW that you can r/click and will have a context menu as well. You can make the RW changes, which will also affect the ATC, in these two places."the AI itself works fine" - but does it work fine on the RW's you're having trouble with, or do they NOT use those, or certain other RW's...even with the wind direction set to favor a "problem" RW? I ask because the AI and the ATC share the same engine. That's why you would use the AI, as well as the ATC window, to check the accuracy of an AFCAD. From what I've read in this post, certain AFCAD's aren't functioning properly. For what reason, exactly, is anyone's guess. Again, sorry if you already knew this, and I hope it's of some help to you.

Sure, AI and ATC will work together, that's the best part of it, you can have a nice flow of traffic without the departing AI clogging the taxiways and eventually disappearing holding short for arriving aircraft.

I hope I haven't misunderstood anything and hope we're talking about the same issue here :( It's very easy, Mike. Maybe it would be better if we would focus on a particular airport. As long as you assign the same operation for both ends of a runway it will work.If you want to use only one end of a runway, just close the other end for both landings and take-offs. FS will direct you to the "open" end only.EDIT: Mike, if there is an airport you would like to work on, I'd be more than happy, do let me know!

As I said, I'd love to see one of your AFCAD's that actually do this...perhaps KBOS? PM me and I'll give you an email.

Sure, AI and ATC will work together, that's the best part of it, you can have a nice flow of traffic without the departing AI clogging the taxiways and eventually disappearing holding short for arriving aircraft.

Well, that nice flow of traffic you see is due to the flightplans that are created, and often take hours to tweak (departures & arrivals) to maintain that nice flow. Clogged taxiways are prevented by a combination of the FP's, the use of hold short nodes strategically placed in the AFCAD, as well as a handy little utility that will help you get around the limitation in FS that make AI disappear after sitting idle for 5 min. The Intelligence of the AI/ATC is truly Artificial, I'm afraid :(

Well, that nice flow of traffic you see is due to the flightplans that are created, and often take hours to tweak (departures & arrivals) to maintain that nice flow. Clogged taxiways are prevented by a combination of the FP's, the use of hold short nodes strategically placed in the AFCAD, as well as a handy little utility that will help you get around the limitation in FS that make AI disappear after sitting idle for 5 min. The Intelligence of the AI/ATC is truly Artificial, I'm afraid :(

Yup, WOAI is one of my favorite add-ons but the most important part is getting the AI to take-off and land effectively with the relatively simple FS ATC. I manage to be rather succesful at airports with parallel runways, others are harder but can be done especially with crosswind runways.Like I said though, with good runway assigning it is possible to get a flow of departures.I sent you a PM.

Yup, WOAI is one of my favorite add-ons but the most important part is getting the AI to take-off and land effectively with the relatively simple FS ATC. I manage to be rather succesful at airports with parallel runways, others are harder but can be done especially with crosswind runways.Like I said though, with good runway assigning it is possible to get a flow of departures.I sent you a PM.

...and I have PM'd you regarding the above statement.