Hi guys, I know this question is a little premature regarding the NGX, but it currently reflects the Navdate for the J41.Here's the situation and I am hoping for a solution if anyone knows of one.I fly the J41 a lot between SBRJ and SBSP. The problem is that the last Airac cycle I bought for PMDG products doesn't include approaches for SBRJ. Although on the Navdata.at site there is a seperate area where you can download SIDS/STARS for free http://www.navdata.at/php/sidstar/dl_list.php . I looked in this area an found on by Fernando Nascimento dated 2-24-07. I think that when I was using FS9 I had also used this same set of SIDS/STARS for the PMDG 737.Anyway, I downloaded his file and replaced it with the one from the paid version on the Airac data I had previously purchased and when I tried it in the J41 it didnt work.Here's what the paid version SBRJ looks like://------------------------------------------------------//AIRAC Cycle : 0913 (17/DEC/2009 - 13/JAN/2010) - Rev.2//------------------------------------------------------FIXESFIX ABSAL LATLON S 21 55.30002 W 43 21.42FIX ACOB LATLON S 22 58.67004 W 43 7.65FIX ADA LATLON S 22 48.76632 W 42 5.72034FIX AFSNB LATLON S 22 52.00002 W 43 22.00002FIX AGUA LATLON S 23 5.41002 W 42 17.10102FIX AIZA LATLON S 22 29.91 W 43 29.26002FIX ARAN LATLON S 22 34.03002 W 43 32.29998FIX ARENA LATLON S 21 1.60002 W 44 46.95FIX ASGAT LATLON S 21 55.95 W 43 28.72998FIX ATRI LATLON S 22 59.22 W 43 27.96FIX ATUM LATLON S 23 40.23 W 43 53.15004FIX AWAKE LATLON S 22 8.23998 W 42 34.39002FIX BBCNB LATLON S 21 16.00002 W 43 45.79998FIX BELIA LATLON S 21 0.22998 W 43 56.14002FIX BOTE LATLON S 23 27.76002 W 43 39.61002FIX BOTOM LATLON S 23 16.69998 W 44 4.12002FIX BUPI LATLON S 23 17.89998 W 43 40.90998FIX CANO LATLON S 23 7.12998 W 44 26.02998FIX CAX LATLON S 22 46.57998 W 43 19.99002FIX COMP LATLON S 22 51 W 43 37.26FIX COSME LATLON S 23 16.60998 W 45 6.43002FIX DOGSU LATLON S 20 29.68002 W 41 24.42FIX DONA LATLON S 22 3.46998 W 42 41.64FIX ESORA LATLON S 21 54.36 W 43 10.14FIX ETANO LATLON S 24 27.48 W 44 35.23998FIX FARI LATLON S 22 58.75002 W 43 51FIX FIGOS LATLON S 22 18.55002 W 42 25.51002FIX GORDO LATLON S 22 2.17002 W 43 44.56998FIX IHNB LATLON S 23 3.79998 W 43 8.73336FIX ISOM LATLON S 23 40.30002 W 43 32.64FIX ISOMA LATLON S 23 0.61002 W 43 57.19002FIX JPGNB LATLON S 22 59.27004 W 43 22.12998FIX KIKA LATLON S 22 59.00004 W 43 33.28002FIX KNOLL LATLON S 21 54.73002 W 43 9.96FIX LIME LATLON S 23 1.54998 W 43 11.97FIX MAC LATLON S 22 20.68998 W 41 46.14FIX MARO LATLON S 22 18.76998 W 43 35.41998FIX MAUA LATLON S 22 44.23002 W 43 10.38FIX MENT LATLON S 22 40.45002 W 43 21.49998FIX MIRA LATLON S 22 52.70004 W 42 25.78998FIX MOTOB LATLON S 23 22.12002 W 43 59.57004FIX MRC LATLON S 22 58.06002 W 42 53.49FIX MURO LATLON S 22 47.02002 W 43 33FIX NACIO LATLON S 20 48.66 W 44 55.38336FIX NAROB LATLON S 23 10.66998 W 43 19.84998FIX NETE LATLON S 23 16.93002 W 43 10.90002FIX NOANB LATLON S 22 43.11468 W 43 28.83168FIX ODIR LATLON S 21 51.80004 W 43 50.27004FIX PAKU LATLON S 23 10.57998 W 43 41.86998FIX PASO LATLON S 22 55.47 W 43 37.36998FIX PCX LATLON S 22 42.91998 W 42 51.45FIX RALO LATLON S 22 17.29002 W 43 38.77998FIX RIAL LATLON S 22 41.02998 W 42 11.16FIX RIOH LATLON S 21 46.00998 W 43 53.44002FIX RUIT LATLON S 22 37.21002 W 43 26.95998FIX SCR LATLON S 22 56.98002 W 43 43.65FIX TECO LATLON S 23 2.59998 W 43 38.59998FIX TERE LATLON S 22 58.58004 W 43 32.65998FIX TIBA LATLON S 24 12 W 44 26.44998FIX TIGO LATLON S 22 37.62 W 43 24.97998FIX TIRO LATLON S 23 30.04002 W 43 29.17002FIX TOZA LATLON S 22 35.61 W 42 4.54002FIX TURN LATLON S 22 41.19 W 43 12.63FIX YLANB LATLON S 22 47.21934 W 43 10.06368FIX ZOOM LATLON S 23 3.76002 W 43 50.47002ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 02LRNW 02RRNW 20LRNW 20RENDRNWSSIDSSID MRC5 RNW 02L TRK 017 UNTIL 600 HDG 099 INTERCEPT RADIAL 144 TO FIX MRC FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 5000 RNW 02R TRK 017 UNTIL 600 HDG 099 INTERCEPT RADIAL 144 TO FIX MRC FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 5000 TRANSITION ABSAL FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 351 UNTIL 15.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX ABSAL TRANSITION AGUA FIX AGUA TRANSITION ASGAT FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 345 UNTIL 15.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX ASGAT TRANSITION AWAKE FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 046 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX AWAKE TRANSITION BOTOM FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 5000 TRK 275 UNTIL 27.0 FROM FIX MRC FIX BOTOM TRANSITION DOGSU FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 054 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX DOGSU TRANSITION DONA FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 035 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX DONA TRANSITION ESORA FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 001 UNTIL 15.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX ESORA TRANSITION FIGOS FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 066 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX FIGOS TRANSITION ISOM FIX NETE FIX ISOM TRANSITION KNOLL FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRK 002 UNTIL 15.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX KNOLL TRANSITION MOTOB HDG 242 INTERCEPT RADIAL 274 TO FIX NAROB FIX NAROB FIX MOTOBSID PORTO6 RNW 20L TRK 198 UNTIL 411 HDG 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 253 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 RNW 20R TRK 198 UNTIL 411 HDG 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 253 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX PCX AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRANSITION ABSAL TRK 351 INTERCEPT RADIAL 067 FROM FIX CAX FIX ABSAL TRANSITION ASGAT TRK 345 INTERCEPT RADIAL 067 FROM FIX CAX FIX ASGAT TRANSITION AWAKE TRK 046 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX AWAKE TRANSITION DOGSU TRK 054 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX DOGSU TRANSITION DONA TRK 035 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX DONA TRANSITION ESORA TRK 002 INTERCEPT RADIAL 067 FROM FIX CAX FIX ESORA TRANSITION FIGOS TRK 066 UNTIL 9.0 FROM FIX PCX FIX FIGOS TRANSITION KNOLL TRK 001 INTERCEPT RADIAL 067 FROM FIX CAX FIX KNOLLSID RASA1 RNW 02L TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 RNW 02R TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 TRANSITION ISOM HDG 230 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 TO FIX ISOM FIX ISOM TRANSITION MOTOB FIX NAROB FIX MOTOBSID RASA2 RNW 02L TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 RNW 02R TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 TRANSITION AGUA1 FIX AGUA TRANSITION ISOM FIX NETE FIX ISOM TRANSITION MOTOB HDG 210 INTERCEPT RADIAL 274 TO FIX NAROB FIX NAROB FIX MOTOBSID TIRO1 RNW 02L TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIRO RNW 02R TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIRO RNW 20L TRK 198 UNTIL 411 FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIRO RNW 20R TRK 198 UNTIL 411 FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIROSID TIRO2 RNW 02L TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIRO RNW 02R TRK 017 UNTIL 600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IHNB AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX TIROENDSIDSSTARSSTAR AFS1 FIX AFSNB TRANSITION ADA FIX ADA AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX LIME FIX TERE AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO SPEED 280 FIX FARI AT OR BELOW 12000 SPEED 250 FIX SCR FIX PASO AT OR ABOVE 8000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM FIX BOTE SPEED 280 FIX BUPI AT OR BELOW 12000 AT OR ABOVE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX SCR FIX PASO AT OR ABOVE 8000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION MAC FIX MAC FIX TOZA SPEED 280 FIX RIAL AT OR ABOVE 15000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX LIME FIX TERE AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 RNW 02L RNW 02R RNW 20L RNW 20RSTAR AFS2 FIX AFSNB TRANSITION ADA FIX ADA AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX LIME SPEED 220 FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO SPEED 280 FIX ZOOM AT OR BELOW 15000 SPEED 250 FIX TECO SPEED 220 FIX KIKA AT OR ABOVE 9000 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM SPEED 280 FIX BOTE FIX BUPI AT OR BELOW 15000 AT OR ABOVE 12000 SPEED 250 TRK 054 INTERCEPT RADIAL 130 FROM FIX SCR SPEED 220 FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000 TRANSITION MAC FIX MAC FIX TOZA SPEED 280 FIX RIAL AT OR ABOVE 15000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX LIME FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 RNW 02L RNW 02R RNW 20L RNW 20RSTAR NOVA1.20B FIX SCR FIX COMP AT OR BELOW 12000 FIX MURO AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX NOANB SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX YLANB AT OR ABOVE 2600 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO SPEED 280 FIX ISOMA AT OR BELOW 19000 SPEED 250 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM FIX BOTE AT OR BELOW 19000 SPEED 280 FIX BUPI AT OR BELOW 12000 AT OR ABOVE 9000 SPEED 250 FIX PAKU RNW 20R RNW 20LSTAR NOVA2.20B FIX MIRA SPEED 280 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 21000 FIX ACOB AT OR BELOW 15000 FIX JPGNB AT OR BELOW 11000 AT OR ABOVE 8000 SPEED 250 FIX MURO AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX NOANB SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX YLANB AT OR ABOVE 2600 TRANSITION ADA FIX ADA AT OR BELOW 14000 TRANSITION MAC FIX MAC FIX TOZA FIX RIAL AT OR ABOVE 15000 RNW 20R RNW 20LSTAR ODIR1 FIX ODIR SPEED 280 FIX GORDO AT OR ABOVE 11000 FIX MARO AT OR BELOW 15000 SPEED 250 FIX AIZA AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX TIGO AT OR ABOVE 7500 SPEED 220 FIX CAX AT OR ABOVE 4000 TRANSITION ARENA FIX ARENA TRANSITION BBC FIX BBCNB FIX RIOH TRANSITION BELIA FIX BELIA FIX RIOH TRANSITION NACIO FIX NACIO FIX RIOH RNW 02L RNW 02R RNW 20L RNW 20RSTAR ODIR2 FIX ODIR SPEED 280 FIX GORDO AT OR BELOW 17000 AT OR ABOVE 11000 SPEED 250 FIX RALO AT OR BELOW 12000 SPEED 250 FIX ARAN AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX RUIT AT OR ABOVE 7500 SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX YLANB AT OR ABOVE 2600 TRANSITION ARENA FIX ARENA TRANSITION BBC FIX BBCNB FIX RIOH TRANSITION BELIA FIX BELIA FIX RIOH TRANSITION NACIO FIX NACIO FIX RIOH RNW 02L RNW 02R RNW 20L RNW 20RENDSTARSGATESGATE A1 S 22 54.52002 W 43 9.94998GATE A10 S 22 54.51 W 43 9.97998GATE A2 S 22 54.53004 W 43 9.94998GATE A3 S 22 54.54 W 43 9.94998GATE A4 S 22 54.55002 W 43 9.97002GATE A5 S 22 54.57 W 43 9.97002GATE A6 S 22 54.59004 W 43 9.97002GATE A7 S 22 54.61002 W 43 9.97002GATE A8 S 22 54.62004 W 43 9.97002GATE A9 S 22 54.53004 W 43 9.97998GATE B1 S 22 54.64002 W 43 9.97998GATE B2 S 22 54.67002 W 43 9.97998GATE B3 S 22 54.68004 W 43 9.97998GATE C4 S 22 54.72 W 43 9.97998GATE C5 S 22 54.74004 W 43 9.97998GATE D10 S 22 54.83004 W 43 9.94998GATE D6 S 22 54.76002 W 43 9.97998GATE D7 S 22 54.78 W 43 9.97998GATE D8 S 22 54.80004 W 43 9.97998GATE D9 S 22 54.82002 W 43 9.97002ENDGATESand this is the version I downloaded from the same site looks like but doesn't work in FSX.// SBRJ - SANTOS DUMONT// FOR PMDG 737'S AND 747 BY FERNANDO NASCIMENTO///// MUST HAVE AIRAC 0702 OR GREATERFIXESFIX ADA LATLON S 22 48.77 W 42 5.73FIX ASGAT LATLON S 21 55.95 W 43 28.73FIX ABSAL LATLON S 21 55.29 W 43 21.42FIX ESORA LATLON S 21 54.36 W 43 10.14FIX KNOLL LATLON S 21 54.73 W 43 9.96FIX DONA LATLON S 22 3.47 W 42 41.64FIX AWAKE LATLON S 22 8.24 W 42 34.39FIX NAMIL LATLON S 20 5.65 W 41 10.32FIX FIGOS LATLON S 22 18.55 W 42 25.51FIX BOTOM LATLON S 23 16.70 W 44 4.12FIX MOTOB LATLON S 23 22.12 W 43 59.57FIX NAROB LATLON S 23 10.67 W 43 19.85FIX AGUA LATLON S 23 5.41 W 42 17.11FIX REBET LATLON S 23 40.30 W 43 32.64FIX PATIN LATLON S 24 10.53 W 44 01.01FIX AKNUB LATLON S 24 29.65 W 44 34.38FIX PCX LATLON S 22 42.92 W 42 51.45FIX NETE LATLON S 23 16.93 W 43 10.90FIX YLA LATLON S 22 47.22 W 43 10.07FIX PP LATLON S 22 52.21 W 43 09.91FIX IH LATLON S 23 03.83 W 43 08.76FIX MRC LATLON S 22 58.06 W 42 53.48FIX NAROB LATLON S 23 10.323 W 43 20.116FIX ETANO LATLON S 24 27.48 W 44 35.24FIX TIRO LATLON S 23 30.04 W 43 29.17FIX OTUM LATLON S 23 53.61 W 43 56.30FIX USABA LATLON S 23 31.78 W 45 3.05FIX LITRE LATLON S 23 39.27 W 45 00.44FIX SCR LATLON S 22 56.98 W 43 43.65FIX MAC LATLON S 22 20.69 W 41 46.14FIX TOZA LATLON S 22 35.6 W 42 4.54FIX RIAL LATLON S 22 41.03 W 42 11.16FIX TIBA LATLON S 24 12.00 W 44 26.45FIX BOTE LATLON S 23 27.76 W 43 39.61FIX ATUM LATLON S 23 40.23 W 43 53.15FIX BUPI LATLON S 23 17.9 W 43 40.91FIX MIRA LATLON S 22 52.7 W 42 25.79FIX LIME LATLON S 23 1.55 W 43 11.97FIX TERE LATLON S 22 58.58 W 43 32.66FIX COSME LATLON S 23 16.61 W 45 06.43FIX CANO LATLON S 23 07.13 W 44 26.03FIX FARI LATLON S 22 58.75 W 43 51.00FIX AFS LATLON S 22 52.02 W 43 22.01FIX PASO LATLON S 22 55.47 W 43 37.37FIX ZOOM LATLON S 23 03.76 W 43 50.47FIX TECO LATLON S 23 02.60 W 43 38.60FIX KIKA LATLON S 22 59.00 W 43 33.28FIX ATRI LATLON S 22 59.22 W 43 27.96FIX NOA LATLON S 22 43.11 W 43 28.84FIX LUKA LATLON S 23 00.61 W 43 57.19FIX COMP LATLON S 22 51.00 W 43 37.26FIX MURO LATLON S 22 47.02 W 43 33.00FIX PAKU LATLON S 23 10.58 W 43 41.87FIX MENT LATLON S 22 40.45 W 43 21.50FIX TURN LATLON S 22 41.19 W 43 12.63FIX MAUA LATLON S 22 44.23 W 43 10.38FIX ACOB LATLON S 22 58.67 W 43 07.65FIX JPG LATLON S 22 59.27 W 43 22.14FIX CAX LATLON S 22 46.59 W 43 19.99FIX ARENA LATLON S 21 1.6 W 44 46.95FIX BBC LATLON S 21 16.02 W 43 45.85FIX NACIO LATLON S 20 48.66 W 44 55.38FIX BELIA LATLON S 21 00.23 W 43 56.14FIX RIOH LATLON S 21 46.01 W 43 56.44FIX ODIR LATLON S 21 51.80 W 43 50.27FIX GORDO LATLON S 22 02.16 W 43 44.57FIX MARO LATLON S 22 18.77 W 43 35.42FIX AIZA LATLON S 22 29.91 W 43 29.26FIX TIGO LATLON S 22 37.62 W 43 24.98FIX RALO LATLON S 22 17.29 W 43 38.78FIX ARAN LATLON S 22 34.03 W 43 32.30FIX RUIT LATLON S 22 37.21 W 43 26.96FIX LAME LATLON S 22 48.39 W 43 13.51FIX NOMI LATLON S 22 50.01 W 43 10.00FIX RJ361 LATLON S 22 53.2 W 43 09.9 FIX TAIPU LATLON S 22 57.39 W 43 02.38FIX LIAR LATLON S 22 44.18 W 43 10.23FIX FLOP LATLON S 22 41.37 W 43 11.59FIX DRAG LATLON S 22 40.49 W 43 24.24FIX NOVA LATLON S 22 43.07 W 43 28.50FIX MARICA LATLON S 22 58.03 W 42 53.29FIX CAXIAS LATLON S 22 46.35 W 43 19.59FIX AFON LATLON S 22 52.01 W 43 22.00FIX BANA LATLON S 22 53.90 W 43 16.44FIX DINA LATLON S 22 54.02 W 43 12.31FIX MALE LATLON S 22 53.18 W 43 24.57FIX CAX6 COLOCATED CAX 131 6FIX CAX17 COLOCATED MRC 304 17.5FIX CAX71 COLOCATED MRC 304 22.1FIX MRC16 COLOCATED MRC 304 16 FIX LIXA COLOCATED CAX 134 3.8FIX CAX5 COLOCATED CAX 177 5FIX CAX78 COLOCATED MRC 307 19.5FIX MPT COLOCATED MRC 307 15.9FIX CAX75 COLOCATED CAX 85 7.5FIX CAX9 COLOCATED CAX 131 9FIX PCX1 COLOCATED PCX 345 15ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 20LRNW 20RRNW 02LRNW 02RENDRNWSSIDSSID MA5RA2 RNW 02L RNW 02R KEEP HDG UNTIL 600 TRANSITION ASGAT KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX PCX1 AT OR ABOVE 10000 FIX ASGAT TRANSITION ABSAL KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX ABSAL TRANSITION ESORA KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX ESORA TRANSITION KNOLL KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX KNOLL TRANSITION DONA KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX DONA TRANSITION AWAKE KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX AWAKE TRANSITION NAMIL KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX NAMIL TRANSITION FIGOS KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX FIGOS TRANSITION MRC.AGUA KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX AGUA NAVAID ADA TRANSITION MRC.BOTOM KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX BOTOM TRANSITION MRC.MOTOB KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC TRK 242 INTERCEPT RADIAL 274 FROM NAVAID ADA FIX NAROB FIX MOTOB TRANSITION MRC.AKNUB KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX NETE FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX AKNUB TRANSITION MRC.ETANO KEEP HDG INTERCEPT RADIAL 324 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX NETE FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX AKNUB TRANSITION IH.AGUA TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX AGUA NAVAID ADA TRANSITION IH.BOTOM TRK 210 INTERCEPT RADIAL 275 FROM FIX MRC FIX BOTOM TRANSITION IH.MOTOB TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH TRK 210 INTERCEPT RADIAL 274 FROM NAVAID ADA FIX NAROB FIX MOTOB TRANSITION IH.AKNUB TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX NETE FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX AKNUB TRANSITION IH.ETANO TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX NETE FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX ETANOSID PO6RA1.20 RNW 20L RNW 20R KEEP HDG UNTIL 400 TRANSITION ASGAT TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX ASGAT TRANSITION ABSAL TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX ABSAL TRANSITION ESORA TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX ESORA TRANSITION KNOLL TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX KNOLL TRANSITION DONA TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX DONA TRANSITION AWAKE TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX AWAKE TRANSITION NAMIL TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX NAMIL TRANSITION FIGOS TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC FIX PCX FIX FIGOS TRANSITION AGUA TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 280 FROM FIX MRC TRK 155 INTERCEPT RADIAL 112 FROM FIX IH FIX AGUA NAVAID ADA TRANSITION BOTOM TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 275 FROM FIX MRC FIX BOTOM TRANSITION MOTOB TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 285 FROM FIX MRC FIX IH AT OR BELOW 5000 FIX NAROB FIX MOTOB TRANSITION AKNUB TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 285 FROM FIX MRC FIX IH TRK 203 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX AKNUB TRANSITION ETANO TRK 175 INTERCEPT RADIAL 285 FROM FIX MRC FIX IH TRK 203 INTERCEPT RADIAL 247 FROM FIX MRC FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX ETANOSID PO6RA1.02 RNW 02L RNW 02R KEEP HDG UNTIL 400 TRANSITION BOTOM TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX BOTOM TRANSITION MOTOB TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX NAROB FIX MOTOB TRANSITION ETANO TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX ETANO TRANSITION AKNUB TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH FIX REBET FIX PATIN FIX AKNUBSID TIRO1 DIRECT FIX IH FIX TIRO FIX OTUM RNW 02L RNW 02R KEEP HDG UNTIL 400 RNW 20L RNW 20R KEEP HDG UNTIL 400 TRANSITION USABA FIX USABA TRANSITION LITRE FIX LITRE TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANOSID TIRO2 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX IH RNW 02L RNW 02R KEEP HDG UNTIL 600 TRANSITION USABA FIX USABA TRANSITION LITRE FIX LITRE TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANOENDSIDSSTARSSTAR AFONSOS1 FIX AFS 5000 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO FIX FARI AT OR BELOW 12000 FIX SCR FIX PASO 8000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM FIX BOTE SPEED 280 FIX BUPI AT OR BELOW 12000 SPEED 250 FIX SCR FIX PASO 8000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION MACAE FIX MAC FIX TOZA FIX RIAL FIX MIRA AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250 FIX LIME FIX TERE AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION ALDEIA NAVAID ADA AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX MIRA FIX LIME FIX TERE AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220STAR AFONSOS2 FIX AFS 5000 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO FIX ZOOM AT OR BELOW 15000 SPEED 250 FIX TECO SPEED 220 FIX KIKA AT OR ABOVE 9000 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM FIX BOTE FIX BUPI AT OR BELOW 15000 AT OR ABOVE 11000 SPEED 250 FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION MACAE FIX MAC FIX TOZA FIX RIAL AT OR ABOVE 15000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX LIME SPEED 220 FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000 SPEED 220 TRANSITION ALDEIA NAVAID ADA AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX MIRA SPEED 250 FIX LIME SPEED 220 FIX ATRI AT OR ABOVE 6000STAR NOVA1 FIX SCR FIX COMP AT OR BELOW 12000 FIX MURO AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX NOA SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT 3000 FIX YLA AT 2600 TRANSITION COSME FIX COSME FIX CANO FIX LUKA AT OR BELOW 19000 SPEED 250 TRANSITION ETANO FIX ETANO FIX TIBA FIX ATUM FIX BOTE AT OR BELOW 19000 FIX BUPI SPEED 250 FIX PAKU AT OR BELOW 12000 AT OR ABOVE 9000STAR NOVA2 FIX MIRA FIX MRC AT OR BELOW 21000 FIX ACOB AT OR BELOW 15000 FIX JPG AT OR BELOW 11000 AT OR ABOVE 8000 SPEED 250 FIX MURO AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX NOA SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX YLA AT 2600 TRANSITION MACAE FIX MAC FIX TOZA FIX RIAL TRANSITION ALDEIA NAVAID ADA AT OR BELOW 14000STAR ODIR1 FIX ODIR FIX GORDO AT OR ABOVE 11000 FIX MARO AT OR BELOW 15000 SPEED 250 FIX AIZA AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX TIGO AT OR ABOVE 7500 SPEED 220 FIX CAX AT 4000 TRANSITION ARENA FIX ARENA TRANSITION BELIA FIX BELIA FIX RIOH TRANSITION NACIO FIX NACIO FIX RIOH TRANSITION BBC FIX BBC FIX RIOHSTAR ODIR2 FIX ODIR FIX GORDO AT OR BELOW 17000 AT OR ABOVE 11000 SPEED 250 FIX RALO AT OR BELOW 12000 FIX ARAN AT OR ABOVE 8000 FIX RUIT AT OR ABOVE 7500 SPEED 220 FIX MENT AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX TURN FIX MAUA AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX YLA AT 2600 TRANSITION ARENA FIX ARENA TRANSITION BELIA FIX BELIA FIX RIOH TRANSITION NACIO FIX NACIO FIX RIOH TRANSITION BBC FIX BBC FIX RIOHENDSTARSAPPROACHESAPPROACH VORDME20J1 FIX CAX9 AT 1000 TRK 131 INTERCEPT RADIAL 196 FROM FIX YLA FIX PP AT 600 RNW 20L HDG 110 INTERCEPT RADIAL 312 FROM FIX MRC TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX FIX LIXA AT 2700 FIX CAX6 AT 2200 TRANSITION AFS FIX AFS FIX CAX6 AT 2200 APPROACH VORDME20J7 FIX CAX71 FIX CAX17 RNW 20L FIX MRC TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX TRANSITION AFS FIX AFSAPPROACH DVN02J8 FIX CAX5 AT 3500 FIX CAX78 AT 2700 RNW 02R KEEP TRK INTERCEPT RADIAL 305 FROM FIX MRC TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX TRANSITION AFS FIX AFSAPPROACH NDB20J9 FIX YLA FIX PP AT 600 RNW 20L HDG 110 INTERCEPT RADIAL 312 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRCAPPROACH NDB20J10 FIX PP RNW 20L HDG 110 INTERCEPT RADIAL 312 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX FIX LIXA FIX CAX9 TRK 131 INTERCEPT RADIAL 196 FROM FIX YLAAPPROACH NDB20J15 FIX YLA FIX PP AT 600 RNW 20L HDG 110 INTERCEPT RADIAL 312 FROM FIX MRC FIX MRC TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX FIX CAX75APPROACH GPS20 FIX NOMI AT 1350 FIX RJ361 AT 400 RNW 20L HDG 145 INTERCEPT RADIAL 294 FROM FIX MRCTRANSITION NOVA FIX NOVA FIX DRAG FIX FLOP AT 4000 SPEED 200 FIX LIAR AT 3000 FIX YLA AT 2600TRANSITION CAX FIX CAX AT 4000 SPEED 200 FIX LAME AT 2600 TRANSITION AFS FIX AFS FIX LAME AT 2600APPROACH GPS02 FIX AFON FIX BANA AT 2500 FIX DINA RNW 02R HDG 124 INTERCEPT RADIAL 304 FROM FIX MRCTRANSITION MALE FIX MALE AT 5000ENDAPPROACHESAs you can see the Approaches are missing from the first version and those are what I am interested in adding. Mainly I am intested in getting the curved RWY 02 approach into here so I can have a little more lateral guidance.These will also be needed for when the NGX is available for Gol/Varig flights into SBRJ so if I can get this airports approaches fixed now, it will save me time for when I need them when the 737 is released.Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me with this. I have searched the internet for a while now looking for approaches that will work in PMDG a/c for this airport, but I am guessing they aren't available because the only FSX aircraft from PMDG that has available is the 747 and MD-11. of which neither fly into this airport.Regards,Sean Campbell

If you have the PMDG 737NG try selecting the sidstar file with her, she will give you error messages that might help you find the problem. One problem will be the syntax such as TRK UNTIL altitidue doesn't work in the JS41, but that is not a show stopper.You should get the tutorial on how to create sidstar files from planepath.com, Terry's tutorial is great source of info.You could easily add your own approaches instead of relying on something written by an author you can't contact any more.

Thanks Dan, I guess I will take a look at Terry's tutorial and see if I can get it sorted out. Hopefully when the NGX is released, Navdata will have the approach procedures in place for the 737 in case I cant figure out how to write them myself. I would imagine a lot of people who fly into Rio would be interested to have the approaches for the 737 and J41.Regards,Sean Campbell

I just downloaded the tutorial, but it looks to be a little more than what I can get my head around at the moment. I think I will just wait and see if the folks at Navdata include those approaches in future cycles. In the mean time I will try to just fly the 02 approach by hand, which isn't too hard in good visibliity, but a bit harder in marginal weather, or stay away from that airport, lol.Thanks for letting me know about the tutorial though.Regards,Sean Campbell

Sean,Have you contacted Navigraph about the approaches? Richard is a good guy and will probably include them for you if you ask him at their site.

Sean,Have you contacted Navigraph about the approaches? Richard is a good guy and will probably include them for you if you ask him at their site.

Hi Ryan,As a matter of fact I did. Hopefully he will see it since I posted it in the PMDG area. I haven't gotten a response yet, but will keep checking. If he can make them I will be sure to save that file so I have them when the NGX is on the market.Thanks for the suggestion.Sean Campbell

Sean,After taking a closer look at the file you pasted and the current SBRJ charts, I know why it's not working. The approaches in that file all have non-standard names like "DVN02J8" - the 737, 747 and MD-11 FMSes have support for reading custom named procedures like that (note that this is not realistic, approaches in the real thing are always going to be the standard names - ILS, LOC, VOR, GPS, RNAV etc). The J41's FMS does not have this capability, if it doesn't see a standard approach name in the file, it won't be able to display it.The J41's GNS-XL FMS is an older and rather primitive system when compared to the more modern FMCs and MCDU's that are on the larger jets. In the real world in fact, it's not even certified as a navigation source for approaches. In the J41 those are always done using the so-called "raw data" as the primary nav source. This means actually tuning the VORs and NDBs and using the course deviation indicators, DME readouts and ADF needles to fly the approaches. This can be difficult (the FMS certainly makes things easier) but any instrument rated pilot in the real world is capable of shooting these approaches down to minimums without any kind of FMS aid.So... with that said, I'm gonna try to write a SIDSTAR file for this airport that works. It'll probably take me a while though, I'm leaving on a trip this Thursday and won't be back until early next week.

Thanks so much Ryan for taking the time to try and write one. No problem with the time, I don't mind waiting.BTW, will this approach, the way it is written work for the NGX when it comes out, or will something else need to be written for it?Thanks again and enjoy your trip.

The NGX will be just like the other big jets we've made, it's a full blown FMC, so yes it will work. I'm not using non-standard names for the approaches anyway. I have access to the current charts for the airport and I'm making this off of that.Available approaches there now are:LOC DME Y 20L/RLOC DME Z 20L/RNDB B 02L/RNDB V 20L/RNDB X 20L/RNDB Z 20L/RRNAV 02L/RRNAV 20L/RVOR C 20L/RVOR Z 20L/RThere's a ton of SIDs and STARs, more than I want to write out right now lol...

Ryan, dont worry about the SID and STARS. As you can see by my first post my current cycle, which isn't current, has the SIDS/STARS included, but is missing the approaches.Maybe you could just add the approaches and I can copy and paste them into my existing text file for that airport?I wouldn't want you to take time on the SID/STARS since they are already working correctly and cover the main ones anyway.Thanks again,Sean Campbell

Sean, creating an approach in the sidstar syntax is really the easiest thing to learn in that subject.For example: APPROACH [approach name] FIX [fix name] [altitidue] RNW [number] is an approach entry without the missed approach or transitions. Real simple.APPROACH ILS13 COREN 1700 RNW 13I think you can master this :(

Sean, creating an approach in the sidstar syntax is really the easiest thing to learn in that subject.For example: APPROACH [approach name] FIX [fix name] [altitidue] RNW [number] is an approach entry without the missed approach or transitions. Real simple.APPROACH ILS13 COREN 1700 RNW 13I think you can master this :(

Well, what might be or seem easy and simple for you, might be harder for some one else without much experience or knowlegde with writting these things. The particular approach that I am most intested in doesn't seem as straight forward as your example. If it was that simple I would have already done it. I'm not sure how to take your last line "I think you can master this :(". Although i'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, frankly it feels like you are insinuating that i'm too lazy to take the time to learn how to do it myself, which isn't the case at all.If is all the same to you, I think I will wait until next week when Ryan comes back from his trip and has time to complete writting these few approaches for me and I will see how I get on then.Regards,Sean Campbell

Sean,Unfortunately there does seem to be some kind of issue here - I coded the complete and correct file for the airport (SIDs, STARs, and IAPs) and I'm having issues too with the approaches not showing up. I'm discussing it with Ernie and we're trying to see what's going on that causes it...

Sean,Unfortunately there does seem to be some kind of issue here - I coded the complete and correct file for the airport (SIDs, STARs, and IAPs) and I'm having issues too with the approaches not showing up. I'm discussing it with Ernie and we're trying to see what's going on that causes it...

Thanks Ryan. I wonder what it is that makes it not want to work? This stuff is way over my head as far as how the internals of the FMC read and display this code in the a/c.I'll keep an eye here for the next update.Regards,Sean

Sean,Unfortunately there does seem to be some kind of issue here - I coded the complete and correct file for the airport (SIDs, STARs, and IAPs) and I'm having issues too with the approaches not showing up. I'm discussing it with Ernie and we're trying to see what's going on that causes it...

Hey Ryan, its been a while and though I would check back and see if you and Ernie were able to figure out the issue with those approaches.Sean