Got a new Saitek flight yoke pro and have found something that I did not see or at least can't remember seeing with my CH yoke. The ailerons don't seem to center after a tun and the yoke is return to center position. The yoke calibrates out fine and a visual view shows the control surface returning to center, but the only way for the aircraft to stop turning is to turn the yoke the other direction until the turn stops. If this is normal then fine, if not does anyone have a fix?

If you are saying that once you bank your aircraft into a turn, release the yoke, let the yoke return to center and the airplane does not return to straight and level.................your are seeing exactly what the aircraft will do. The aircraft will remain in a bank until you bring it back to straight and level which means you will have to move the yoke in the opposite direction of the bank. Your yoke is fine.Regards,Bob

Thanks Bob I just don't remember this behavior with my CH yoke. Makes sense to me that this would happen in real life. Again thanks for the help.

If you are saying that once you bank your aircraft into a turn, release the yoke, let the yoke return to center and the airplane does not return to straight and level.................your are seeing exactly what the aircraft will do. The aircraft will remain in a bank until you bring it back to straight and level which means you will have to move the yoke in the opposite direction of the bank. Your yoke is fine.Regards,Bob

Sorry to bring this old thread back to life. I've been looking all around the web for this topic. My Yoke is broke without a doubt but that is more a button that doesn't work. Another problem that I seem to have is the same as OP.

 

I have no idea how a real airplain flies, i was just looking at auto pilot behavior and it seems that the yoke steers into a bank and then goes centre but the bank stays i tact. This just doesn't make sense to me as a newbee. This would mean that a slight corrections have you all over the place.

If you are saying that once you bank your aircraft into a turn, release the yoke, let the yoke return to center and the airplane does not return to straight and level.................your are seeing exactly what the aircraft will do. The aircraft will remain in a bank until you bring it back to straight and level which means you will have to move the yoke in the opposite direction of the bank. Your yoke is fine.Regards,Bob

 

So what Sargeski is saying...Ill ty to break out the math here. My yoke steers 45 degrees both ways. I bank to the right lets say 30 degrees yoke action. If i oversteered and want to make a minor correction to the left, i have to centre, then make the correction to the left. Now let's say I over corrected, now i need to go back from centre, back the the 30 degrees right before my yoke affects the ailerons.

 

Somewhen tried to explain in another thread that i started a few days back, I might have misunderstood what he was saying. I would love a comparison with a car. WHen i steer to the left i circkel to the left. When I turn my steering wheel back to center, the car will continue straight. So with a plane this is not the case?

 

 

How does using a yoke make fying easier, compared to a joystick. I really thought that I would be in total controle with a yoke. I really thought the aileron would follow my steering left - back to centre - right. This Is really bothering me because I havea feeling i wasted money on buying this yoke and paddle set.

 

I'd love you input.

So what Sargeski is saying...Ill ty to break out the math here. My yoke steers 45 degrees both ways. I bank to the right lets say 30 degrees yoke action. If i oversteered and want to make a minor correction to the left, i have to centre, then make the correction to the left. Now let's say I over corrected, now i need to go back from centre, back the the 30 degrees right before my yoke affects the ailerons.

 

 

 

This seems to answer it

The way the yoke should work is that you turn the yoke, the aircraft should start rolling in the direction that you turned the yoke. When you stop the turn and center the toke, the aircraft will hold the bank more or less.  If you need less bank, turn the yoke in the opposite direction of the initial bank.

 

Think of it this way. The yoke only controls the ailerons in the turn. When you start a left turn, the right aileron drops and the left aileron lifts up. This changes the airflow over both wings and causes more lift on the right wing and less on the left wing, which causes the airplane to bank to the left.  As long as you continue to have the yoke turned to the left, the roll will continue. When you center the yoke, the ailerons will center and both wings are creating the same amount of lift (more or less) and the bank will stop. In order to turn back the other way to level the wings or turn the opposite direction, you must turn the yoke in the direction you want the airplane to bank.  The ailerons do not know if the plane is in a turn or not. Their sole job in life is to make the wing they are attached to go up and down.

 

It is not like a car because the cars tires remain in contact with the road and that is what turns the car. The control surfaces of an airplane do not work like that. And example of this would be to hold your hand out in front of you so it looks like an airplane (palm down and fingers point at something). Now bank the "airplane" to the left. When you stop rotating your hand the plane is holding the bank. Nothing is forcing it back to level. In order to make it level again you have to move your hand back to the right to level it, like an airplane.

 

I hope this helps.

Sorry I forgot to add this part.

 

As for the amount of input, the more you turn the yoke, the faster the airplane will bank. If you do it only a little, the plane will bank only a little. If you do it full tilt, the airplane will quickly roll. A joystick should react the same way. When a joystick is centered, the ailerons are centered, and whole moved to the left or right it operates the ailerons accordingly. 

How does using a yoke make fying easier, compared to a joystick

 

It doesn't, it's exactly the same!

Yes yes yes LOL

 

tell me if I got it right. I steer left and the ailerons come in actionand the plan banks. When i centre my yoke, the aileron centres too, but that doesn't mean I level of. I'm still in that bank. For me to get level, the aileron on the other wing has to get me there.

 

So sensitivity is very important, right. You want the yoke to make contact and move the aileron pretty fast. in other word, you dont want to have to turn 15 degrees before there is any movement.

 

 

DId i get this right?

 

if so, thanks for explaining it in a way I could understand.

 

MarKDH

From the way things work as written above I understand what you are saying. But would you say that it's easier to fly a 737 with a Joystick or yoke?

But would you say that it's easier to fly a 737 with a Joystick or yoke?

 

I don't think there is any difference, they both give you exactly the same controls. It also seems less important on a 737, as I assume you mostly fly it on autopilot and make your turns and climbs and descents by twiddling knobs.

Sensitivity is important, but not in the way you are thinking. The flight controls should be smooth, and increasing the sensitivity too much will cause the yoke to have some errant readings because it is too sensitive. 

 

If you want to make the aileron move fast, you move the yoke fast. In that way it is like a car in regards to the control input.  One big thing to remember though is your airspeed will have a direct effect on how fast the plane banks. If you are flying slower, like during an approach, there is less air moving over the wings.  This means it takes more aileron deflection to get the same movement.  While travelling at higher speeds, a small amount of aileron deflection goes a long way and a full yoke turn will cause the aircraft to rapidly bank. A good example of this is sticking your hand out of a car window while driving. When travelling quickly, your hand quickly moves with any change, but while driving slowly, your hand does not seem to move as much.

Got it...

 

Well I brought back my Saitek set today and will get my refund within the next weeks. I'll just fly with nmy Joystock. I actually have seen airliners that have only Joysticks.

 

I have been to preoccupied with addons and such and have spend way to little time on setting up my Joystick, button and keys. I think it will be possible to get something that will suite me. I guess the sesitivity and such is trail and error.

 

Thanks for all of your input. This ends my Saitek adventure.