Mathijs, with all due respect I simply cannot accept your explanation.What Ferdy is doing to the community and its authors is clearly illegal, not to mention immoral. On these grounds alone LAGO has the right to immediately cancel this or any other contract it has entered into with a vendor. And if you did cancel the contract with FSPlanet, what would he do? File legal action against you? I don't think so. That would be like a thief sueing his victims because they wouldn't leave their doors unlocked for him. What court would hear his case?As a businessman I advise you to take steps to end your contract with FSPlanet BEFORE said contract expires. Doing so will make a principled stand from which you show the community that you support it. Remember, this is the community from which LAGO generates revenue. Don't make the mistake of misleading the community or trying to sophisticate your reasons for continuing to do business with FSPlanet. The community (your customers) will know "spin control" when they see it.As I told Michael Epstein from eDimensional recently, you have two paths you can follow: Do what is best, or do what is right. It would be best (from a short term revenue generation perspective) for LAGO to continue to advertise with sites like FSPlanet, but the right thing to do is to end your association on legal and moral grounds, thereby showing the community that you support IT.Taking the higher moral ground may cost more in the short term, but doing so will show the community (and the thiefs) you stand squarely against piracy.Whichever path you choose, know this for sure: The community will not forget.Respectfully,

With all due respect, unless you are a European contracts lawyer and know European contract law inside and out, you are way out of line. You are picking the wrong target and I strongly suggest you refocus your sights on the proper one.

Duly noted, Tom.One thing I do know is that I am a consumer, and I can choose who I do business with. I simply choose not to support any company that does business with a site like FSPlanet.Regards,

>Contracts....Contracts....Contracts....I thought you could >just rip them up and they are ineffective then? or is that >when their not signed yet? No, no, no... You can only rip up and either disregard contracts (or use them as loo rolls) if you're a professional athlete in the United States. In that case, you're almost obligated to disregard a contract about halfway through it.

>Mathijs, with all due respect I simply cannot accept your >explanation. I'm not sure what country you come from, but where we live I simply can not sue somebody when he does whatever the contract we have states he should do. That the other partner is doing other things that we don't like has simply nothing to do with it. If that would be a reason there would not be a contract safe in the world as any company and any person probably did something wrong somewhere, somehow. But in Italy and Spain (the countries involved here) a contract can not be cancelled because of something totally unrelated. I seriously doubt it would in other countries like the USA. If that were the case any major company that ever lost a case would never be able to sign a contract anymore. As a businessman you really should see the logic in that.Even though I do not see any 'ground' in your latest message I am sorry you feel we have not done the right thing. As far as we can see there simply is nothing more that we can do. I take offense to the following sentence: "Don't make the mistake of misleading the community or trying to sophisticate your reasons for continuing to do business with FSPlanet. The community (your customers) will know "spin control" when they see it."I did not mislead and I did not 'sophisticate my reasons'. We also do not continue to do business with FSPlanet as I have explained. Our customers are rather intelligent and those that know me will cdertainly understand that this is no case of 'spin control'.As we probably will not see eye to eye on this and you probably will never believe a word I say on this issue I will step away from this discussion. I said what I had to say and there actually is little I can add as the case is really rather simple. Unfortunate but simple. I kindly suggest you aim your anger where it should be aimed. Not at somebody who is behind you, but at the one we are both have a problem with.Mathijs KokLAGO

I'll divide my post into two parts: A question for LAGO, and then making amends with LAGO :-lol1. Question for LAGO:Is it possible to finish paying him for the ad space, but not advertising your company name there (IE: Replace the ad banner with a black box) That way, Ferdy gets his money, and cannot sue you for breech of contract, and your company name is not associated with Ferdy.2. Making amends with LAGO:Imagine my suprise when I read a whole bunch of messages regarding LAGO just now! Because the posts dealing with LAGO were sandwiched between other posts because of how the forum software works, I honestly did not see any of them until now (and could not respond).I understand that you have a contract with them that you legally must fulfill, but I

If I am not terribly mistaken LAGO made a public and clear statement very early on in this whole affair. That is why I was surprised to see people rolling all over them once again in this thread. I'm sure if I had more time to waste I could find their original statement again.... but I think it should be clear now. From a consumer's standpoint with no strings attached to anything it is always easy to judge and make comments. When you are running an actual business where contracts and, yes, money is involved things are not always so easy. From what I've read and from whom I know I am pretty sure that both LAGO and AVSIM are doing what is right within their possibilities.... are all the people that still download from FSPlanet doing the same ?? ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: [email protected]________________________

Well said!Cheers,Gosta

Hello MathijsI am deeply sorry you have been drawn into this publicly. It was never my intention to have Lago,s good name abused in anyway. You know I contacted you and that information has always stayed private between you and I. Now things are out in the open I can confirm that Mathijs explained in full to me his intentions and I knew he had contracts to run.Had Mathijs known beforehand of Ferdys disrespect for freeware authors requests to stop stealing files from Avsim I am sure he would not have entered into business with FSPlanet.comI think an apology is in order to Mathijs guys. Mathijs once again I am sorry my friend. There is only one bad guy in this sordid affair and we all know who that is.Best wishes

Well..after about 2 weeks of e-mails to and from eDimensioal, I sent them a lot of proof with names, e-amils file names etc. ,they e-mailed me back and told me that they have made a decision regarding Freddy and they will make changes shortly. Hopefully they decide to pull out..which will certainly say good things about their reputation. Take careMike

Well..after about 2 weeks of e-mails to and from eDimensioal, I sent them a lot of proof with names, e-amils file names etc. ,they e-mailed me back and told me that they have made a decision regarding Freddy and they will make changes shortly. Hopefully they decide to pull out..which will certainly say good things about their reputation. Take careMikeIf it does not register on the Richter Scale then it's a good landing. Well done MikkIt takes no time at all to contact authors and get their support.I am sure eDimensional will make a wise and just decision. Now if only Abacus would follow suit:-( You will be lucky if you get a reply from them.Good on you Mikk.Best wishes

HiI have confiramtion now that eDimensional is pulling out as well. They are, like LAGO, tied to a contract and they have to wait for it to expire.I have talked to the CEO of eDimensional and he said that they have become fully aware of the situation and that the FS community is their number 1 priority. I am glad that eDimensional is pulling out..it will make it easier for us to finish Freddy. We may hear a statement from eDimensional regarding this.So in other words they know about FSPlanet and they are pulling out...they just have to finish the contract. I don't know about you guys but eDimensional certainly has my respect now. They saw the evidence and they made the right decision. For those keeping scoreFSPlanet :0FS Community :2I was not aware that Abacus also advertised with Freddy. Could you provide me a web-site address so that I can contact them as well.Take careMike

Why talk about boycotting people like Lago or eDimensional? That's just taking the argument too far...If I had paid a sum of money to Ferdy and had a valid contract to show my banner on his site, I wouldn't try to mask my banner just because Ferdy got himself into trouble. I'd still want people to see my banner when they visit Ferdy's site because it's advertising, and advertising is what I'd have paid my money for.That simple fact should not be mistaken for any form of endorsement or support of the site owners activities. It would merely be advertising my product, not extolling Ferdy's virtues...If a large corporation advertises on a TV station, and that station broadcasts some programme that outrages the public and causes a stir, would you expect that corporation to cease it's advertising in the middle of a campaign or contract?The issue here is what Ferdy's up to; not what Lago, eDimensional or any other commercial advertiser is doing.IT'S NOT SPONSORSHIP - IT'S BUSINESS. LET'S STAY FOCUSED.--------------------------------------------------------------------(On a lighter note, I'm amazed by Ferdy's revelations and tactics - I wonder if he's getting legal advice from P.T.)

Based upon communications we had with Michael this morning, I am pretty sure we'll see a press release or some other communications from them shortly. :)

Hi guys,Please forgive me, but I just don't know what this affair about FSPlanet is. Is he selling freeware files to others on CD? Can someone please give me a good explanation???? I never support any people who sell freeware and even before this whole affair I hate FSPlanet because its pages load veeeeeeeeery slowly.... It just goes to show that ferdy isn't even smart enough to make his pages load fast by NOT putting too much heavy material in his pages :-lolJust my 2 cents....Asim :-cool