Dood, you better sitdown and make sure your heatsinks are properly seated, cuz my $400 rig will be smo-ken-u.-uh huh.

Thank you alainneedle1 - that's a great way to put it. We're not trying to outdo anyone and we're certainly not marking our product up hundreds of percent. In fact, I feel we're quite reasonable considering you get an entire rig, loaded with all the software and good flight controls that have been set up and adjusted and a monitor and you can customize it with your favorite planes, hardware or whatever you ask for. Anyone who has tweaked FSX and all the 3rd party add-ons knows how painfully long it takes, all of that degfragging and updating drivers... it literally takes hours. I've even designed people's home airports so when they light up FSX the default flight is sitting at their home field! We really love flight simming and want people to be happy with our product. Our systems perform as promised and many people have had the opportunity to fly our machines before buying them. The idea of a video camera shooting some action real time is a great one. I'll go a step further by shooting video of all the people enjoying our systems at an event. If the clear graphics and smooth operation don't convince you the smiles on faces and the unsolicited compliments surely will. ThanksJonathan

Jonathan, I appreciate the professionalism. I'm a busy person, looking to get into this more. I can see that for some people, the best use of their time is to build their own pc, spend time tweaking it and reading forums and comparing notes with others as to what is the best new component, how to dial in that new component, and how to tweak every little line in the config file. That's a great way to develop a hobby and be with others who have a similar hobby.But that isn't me. I just want to plug and play. And if I'm not at the bleeding edge of the latest frame rate that week, I won't care or even know, because I hope to spend most of my FSX time flying instead of reading forums on how to get the latest config details from online. I understand that is a tradeoff -- but it may be a very good trade off for certain people depending on their priorities and how they like to spend their time.

Jonathan, I appreciate the professionalism. I'm a busy person, looking to get into this more. I can see that for some people, the best use of their time is to build their own pc, spend time tweaking it and reading forums and comparing notes with others as to what is the best new component, how to dial in that new component, and how to tweak every little line in the config file. That's a great way to develop a hobby and be with others who have a similar hobby.But that isn't me. I just want to plug and play. And if I'm not at the bleeding edge of the latest frame rate that week, I won't care or even know, because I hope to spend most of my FSX time flying instead of reading forums on how to get the latest config details from online. I understand that is a tradeoff -- but it may be a very good trade off for certain people depending on their priorities and how they like to spend their time.

Wasn't it you who started this thread in a forum asking for advise in the first place? Those who seem to spend so many hours building pc's and reading forums are just trying to help you here because if you are going to pay someone to do the job for you you will want to get the best for your money won't you? I obviously can see why someone would not want to waste time in DIY, but I can't see the expertise in the choice of parts there, and Jetline Systems is even worse given how ridiculously overpriced and overkill most parts are, yet no SB availability which makes them even worse performance wise than a proper system that costs half as much"I won't care or even know" fair enough, in that case good luck and happy flying

Wasn't it you who started this thread in a forum asking for advise in the first place? Those who seem to spend so many hours building pc's and reading forums are just trying to help you here because if you are going to pay someone to do the job for you you will want to get the best for your money won't you? I obviously can see why someone would not want to waste time in DIY, but I can't see the expertise in the choice of parts there, and Jetline Systems is even worse given how ridiculously overpriced and overkill most parts are, yet no SB availability which makes them even worse performance wise than a proper system that costs half as much"I won't care or even know" fair enough, in that case good luck and happy flying

Dazz, I understand how passionate you are about PC's hardware and FSX, I'm like that also, like I said before these guys are not in business to brake even, of course they will charge more for their PC compare to what we can get it for but did you sit down and count how many hours you spent installing hardware, sceneries, tweaking and testing with FSX, defragging (HDD)...going back in the fsx.CFG folder to change something else and try again, that's $ per hours right there.Don't forget this part ..... "As I previously posted, we'll give anyone a quote for ANY custom setup they want. If they want SB or a GTX570 or bigger drives then we can do it. If the hardware costs the same as what we normally use then it would cost the customer nothing more. If the hardware they want is dramatically cheaper then we would adjust the price in our quote." Can you get the same PC (hardware wise) from somewhere else cheaper....sure....but not with FSX installed + mesh + addons + tweaked and ready to go...I use to drag race 1/4 mile 30 years ago and I know about cars so when I have to take my car for repair I get weak in the knees every time I see the bill....$60.00+ an hours + parts...and they do make money on the parts.....the other solution is for me to go to Pepboys get the parts myself and do the work....I don't have the tools the place or the time to do that anymore so I pay the bill and do something else with the time I saved, it's a trade off.

Not everything I said about FSE is bad, I also said that the price seems good for what it includes, and if they will put together a SB system for you if asked to, it looks like a good option for those not willing to build and OC the system themselves. Definitely better than Jetline systems IMHOThe OP asked for opinions and all I did was to provide mine, for the good and the bad aspects

Alain, second rate is always second best so why play devil's advocate and defend less computer, for more money. Maybe to you everything you think is below your own computer is all the same, but as tests have proved, an OCed i7 2600k CPU on a good SB board is something like 40 to 50% better* in FSX than a OCed quad core i7 based system. Your argument seems to be based upon something other than a service provider offering the very best value for the money, which certainly is not any 1150 or 1366 based computer, based on actual hard numbers, in either FSX performance or costs. It's not just CPU systems that are a bit off here, as some other key components are questionable as well, as pointed out by Dazz.If someone wants to pay more and get less, then go ahead. But, just because someone does not want to assemble their own FSX computer should not mean that they should pay top dollar for FSX underperforming hardware. I object to older solutions being represented as today's leading edge best to those who don't know better. In this thread honest, informed opinion was sought, and provided free of charge to the OP. Nothing more, or nothing less, and why these things are so was provided, not to hurt, but to help.Kind regards,*At matching, or less part and assembly costs. Besides SB runs cooler and needs less power so requires a less expensive infrastructure all around than a 1150 or 1366 based performance enhanced computer. Think 25-30 FPS with the older versions vs 35-45 FPS with a SB 1156 FSX engine.

I'm not defending or approving anything here, I'm looking at both side, the customers side and the vendors side.The vendor said that he can put a SB PC together so I don't see why you'r all talking about 1155 or 1366 like that's the only way he will go??The OP can shop around and try to get better prices for the same thing if he want to, I have no problems with that at all, here is my point.....you are also paying for knowledge from the vendor like Bojote is asking for donations for his tweaked fsc.CFG folder, Quote " Maybe to you everything you think is below your own computer is all the same, but as tests have proved, an OCed i7 2600k CPU on a good SB board is something like 40 to 50% better* in FSX than a OCed quad core i7 based system." end of quote. As for performance....like I said before....benchmarking is great to test but the real test is when the rubber met the road like I explained in my earlier post, I really don't care if you'r on a 775, 1155,1366 or SB platform....lets take a video camera and shoot the monitor screen when flying (frame rate counter off) and let see how smooth, stutters free or blurries free the flight is with a fast plane leaving from a big airport with all sliders maxed out (same tweak in the fsx.CFG folder).....that's the real test.

I'm not defending or approving anything here, I'm looking at both side, the customers side and the vendors side.The vendor said that he can put a SB PC together so I don't see why you'r all talking about 1155 or 1366 like that's the only way he will go??The OP can shop around and try to get better prices for the same thing if he want to, I have no problems with that at all, here is my point.....you are also paying for knowledge from the vendor like Bojote is asking for donations for his tweaked fsc.CFG folder, Quote " Maybe to you everything you think is below your own computer is all the same, but as tests have proved, an OCed i7 2600k CPU on a good SB board is something like 40 to 50% better* in FSX than a OCed quad core i7 based system." end of quote. As for performance....like I said before....benchmarking is great to test but the real test is when the rubber met the road like I explained in my earlier post, I really don't care if you'r on a 775, 1155,1366 or SB platform....lets take a video camera and shoot the monitor screen when flying (frame rate counter off) and let see how smooth, stutters free or blurries free the flight is with a fast plane leaving from a big airport with all sliders maxed out (same tweak in the fsx.CFG folder).....that's the real test.

No vids needed Alain, I think I told you before. Disable 2 cores and remove memory sticks till you are on dual channel. You'll see why a faster SB quad is better than an underused hexa-core in FSX

I'm not defending or approving anything here, I'm looking at both side, the customers side and the vendors side.The vendor said that he can put a SB PC together so I don't see why you'r all talking about 1155 or 1366 like that's the only way he will go??The OP can shop around and try to get better prices for the same thing if he want to, I have no problems with that at all, here is my point.....you are also paying for knowledge from the vendor like Bojote is asking for donations for his tweaked fsc.CFG folder, Quote " Maybe to you everything you think is below your own computer is all the same, but as tests have proved, an OCed i7 2600k CPU on a good SB board is something like 40 to 50% better* in FSX than a OCed quad core i7 based system." end of quote. As for performance....like I said before....benchmarking is great to test but the real test is when the rubber met the road like I explained in my earlier post, I really don't care if you'r on a 775, 1155,1366 or SB platform....lets take a video camera and shoot the monitor screen when flying (frame rate counter off) and let see how smooth, stutters free or blurries free the flight is with a fast plane leaving from a big airport with all sliders maxed out (same tweak in the fsx.CFG folder).....that's the real test.

What we all need is to have a FSX Hardware weekend where we all get together and bring our computers and fly each others machines. Florida looks a lot better than New Brunswick right now. How many bedrooms/sofas/mattresses do you have? How is the food? Do you or your wife do the cooking? How many of us are invited? Does anyone snore? :Sleepy: Kind regards, :Peace:

woah

ah...maybe not. Dazz, what is Spain like this time of the year?

ah...maybe not. Dazz, what is Spain like this time of the year?

Very nice 20 smthg ºC, sun, and no macho men teasing our girlfriends

is there an off topic forum for off topic discussions so that this thread can be a place where people can share information about prebuilt FSX pcs? Thanks.

is there an off topic forum for off topic discussions so that this thread can be a place where people can share information about prebuilt FSX pcs? Thanks.

LOL touché.......I think it's call PM. :P