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Quote from addman " But I guess it's tweakers paradise right now with P3D recently so I'm glad you guys enjoy it, " end of quote. Wrong Hook, I do not have any opposition/access to P3D for the general public, to whom want to buy it just need to knock themselves out, one of my VERY good friend got it, he asked me to look at it with him, we tried it together/tweaked it, he has a top of the line PC (he can afford to buy new hardware at released) with 2 Titan in SLI (we tried everything, SLI/single card), we also compared testing with his 780Ti and that's when we came to the conclusion that V2.0 was not ready for released. Did V2.0 performed somewhat good on his PC, the answer is yes BUT that was without any 3PD add on as they bugged V2.0 beyond believe, (I know.... different folks different stroke) and that was NOT with sliders as far as we would have liked to have them, I mean seriously who want to buy V2.0 or any other game for that matter if they can't use it maxed out on a top of the line PC....not me, I can seriously understand that not everybody can afford a Titan (or 2) with all hardware to follow these card, and from there users of mid range PC can't expect their sim/other games to be maxed out and they know that but to whom is the exception and do have a $8,000.00 PC should NOT have problems with any game/sim unless they have to many bugs. Do I also understand that P3D V2.0 is a work in progress...yes, and that is why I said that V2.0 was not ready for released yet, LM's decision = more unhappy camper compare to the happy one. As for your last question, I do not have it as I personally do not qualify for it, that's all I have to say on that. Am all rooting for you, I'm not writing here to tell anybody that they should not buy/use P3D, if you are please with what you have I'm sure you don't need another version/upgrade. My point exactly, I don't need to beta test something else.

You are right J, I can also play Crysis 2 or 3 without any tweak at all with sliders to a medium range but I can also play these games with full sliders something you can't do with P3D with a top of the line rig. I remember before V2.0 was released, most here (and you know who you are) were saying that V2.0 would run on a medium range PC with decent perf. including their favorite add on, V2.0 was to be the best thing since beer in a can. As addman said, V2.0 is tweakers heaven not flyers heaven, if you are a tweaker enjoyV2.0, we can all debate these points for ever but the fact remain that V2.0 was NOT ready for released, FAR from it, enjoy been a beta tester, that is the main reason why I'm sticking with FSX DX10 and I have not buy XP-10 yet, still to many things missing in XP-10 for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=It5tdWr8Rs8

You are right on that, I agree with you and I am sure you will agree with me that if Window 7 had been released without been compatible with other software/games some would have raised hell, was Window 7 or FSX in beta stage when released, were they compatible with other software when released? The bottom line is that LM should have never released V2.0 when they did, there is no way they did not know about most of the bugs V2.0 is having right now, where are the beta tester, lets ask them about it....where are they? V2.0 was not ready for released, period.

The question is, how can you easily update all SDL_Surface, each one independently? The answer is, by recoding.....how long are you welling to wait for this.

Here is what I have from Orbx, did I put up enough? Hatred...... :lol: Orbx - FTX: AU YMML Orbx - FTX: NA WA79 Walter Sutton's Private Strip Orbx - FTX: NA KORS Orcas Island Orbx - FTX: NA WA56 Israel's Farm Orbx - FTX: NA 3W5 Concrete Municipal Airport Orbx - FTX: AU YBBN Brisbane International Orbx - FTX: AU YCDR Caloundra Airport Orbx - FTX: AU YCNK Cessnock Airport Orbx - FTX: AU YHBA Hervey Bay Airport Orbx - FTX: NA 1S2 Darrington Municipal Airport Orbx - FTX: NA 7S3 Stark's Twin Oaks Orbx - FTX: NA Blue USA/Canada Pacific Northwest Orbx - FTX: Australia SP3 DVD (Pre Order) Orbx - FTX: AU YMAV Avalon Airport Orbx - FTX: AU YMML Melbourne International Orbx - FTX: AU YPEC Aeropelican Airport (Pre-Pay) Orbx - FTX: AU YWVA Warnervale Airport Orbx - FTX: AU Gold Subtropical East Orbx - FTX: AU Green Tropical North Orbx - FTX: AU Blue Temperate South Orbx - FTX: AU Red Central Outback (Pre-Pay) Orbx - FTX: AU YSCH Coffs Harbour Airport Orbx - FTX: AU YPJT Perth Jandakot Airport (Pre-Pay)

Everybody is saying that P3D is not FSX, maybe that's why you can get a refund? Have you tried Orbx forums. Everybody's on the same page over there, no sand kicking in your bowl or your out, nice place to sing cunbaya, not sure but I think they have animated fire camp.

Not only that but next year will be the DDR4 memory years....a new ball game, smaller die with 16GB per module.. eeeeeeeee

I know, even the Titan will be over run soon, there is more fun stuff coming next year.... :ph34r:

Guys, my comments above were NOT to talk negatively about LM or Orbx, I was making a comparison with the amount of peoples visiting Avsim's forums compare to LM and Orbx, from there the amount of complaints about their products here....

Ronnie, you are right, the 780 is the way to go, the Ti model is even faster for a extra $100.00, up to you to decide if you'r welling to spend that much, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487003 they all come with 3GB, this is the card for P3D right now BUT what will P3D be in 6 > 12 months, will you need more GB? The card to beat for P3D as far as speed/ GB is still the Titan. The 760 is not a bad card but this card is already obsolete speed wise if you have P3D in mind, I'm not saying that a 760 would not word, it's just not up to P3D standard. If you are staying with FSX any of these cards will do, my saying was always "There is no such thing as overkill when it come to PC's" Hope this help.

Your guess is as good as mine, if I had to guess I would say that there is less peoples complaining on P3D forum for the same reasons that there is less complaints about Orbx products on their own forum compare to Avsim's forum....just a guess.

Hey Stephen, I have not seeing you lately old friend, is everything OK? PM me.

More power to you, and I mean it, I've never said that P3D V2.0 (vanilla) does not work, I said they have major bugs to ironed out, I know for a fact (after testing) that P3D v2.0 at medium settings > low is OK, try to set it with HDR + and more of the sliders to the right and crap start happening, as for my friend (including me) we know how way around a computer, just take my word for it. It's not about what I remember, the data is still available to him and me, look at all the threads here on this forum and tell me what is the % of peoples not having major problems with V2.0 (vanilla or not) compare to peoples like you who are very satisfy with it, there is your answer, again, I'm not trying to be negative here but I won't say that P3D is worth the switch from FSX as I know it's not there in it present stage, whom ever can't fly without their favorite add on need not to jump in P3D band wagon yet, I'm not saying that P3D will never be the sim. of choice, what I'm saying is that P3D still has a looooong road ahead to get there, how long will it take for P3D to get there with all your favorite add on (and new one) working without a hitch....your guess is as good as mine.

It is good to know for all of simmers that have Orbx sceneries that they are in contact with LM, what kind of contact we don't know, I don't know what purpose closing their thread can serve, wouldn't it be better to leave it open to reassure their customers by posting on what their talk/plan are for the future of their existing add on? I don't want to be a party pooper but I remember a lot of add on developers having talks with MS Flight developers, we all know where that went, lets hope for the best. Great points, I've been tagged as a troll here for giving my opinion several months ago to the fact that add on will not work 100% as they did before V2.0 as expected by the majority of P3D users because of the simple fact that LM was making major changes to their/FSX engine including the DX11 mod., well, today is here and major problems with add on are showing their ugly head as expected. It will be up to the developers to make modification to their add on for them to be compatible with Pd3 V2.0, not LM, LM will have to fix their own bugs in P3D. In my defense let me say this, I know I rub some members here the wrong way, maybe because I'm to blunt or else but the fact is that I have nothing against P3D, :sorry: I want P3D to succeed for the right reasons, :cray: I always said what I was thinking and if wrong I don't mind been corrected at all, it may have been corrected one or twice before in my entire life (not according to my wife but that's for another thread). I do not own P3D but I did some extensive testing with a good friend of mine who do own it, he has a VERY good top of the line PC (he can afford to get what ever new hardware is released the first day, and he does) so I think I can give my opinion on P3D here and there, and by the way, saying something that some do not want to hear may look negative to them but informative to others.

You will need to upgrade your machine (unless you want to keep the sliders to a minimum) + today's add on ARE NOT optimized for P3D, if you want to try P3D do it without add on, you will have problems with existing add on and P3D, staying with FSX for now without overloading your machine with add on is my suggestion. (you can always upgrade your machine for FSX if you got the cash to spend)

Developers will have to get their existing add on up to date with what LM changed in their platform, as I said several months ago there was no way to incorporate DX11 and other changes LM was looking to do without breaking add on compatibility to a certain point, today's question is, will changes 3PD have to make to their existing add on be a fast thing to do and free, how long will it take to do that without restricting the development of add on that are already under development for future released?

:good: as expected. Stay safe flying.

Seriously, is this your statement or LM's statement? If not your statement LM is saying that P3D V2.0 seems to be working as expected add on free, can you provide me with a link cause last time I looked I saw a lot of complaints about V2.0 and nothing from LM stating that peoples were complaining for no good reasons as V2.0 was working as expected add on free...if no link... I guess I'm right....right?

Ask all the fan-boys to make a 20 minutes vid of their P3D V2.0 with all their working add on, with good AA, no image tearing with a solid 30FPS, lets see how many will answer the call....as you said, who ever bought it are beta testing it right now, trying to find work around to make it work....is it the way it's suppose to be? What is so hard to understand that P3D V2.0 with all the bugs reported and 95% of add on not working "WAS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME (RELEASE)...."

If you like your add on you can keep your add on... If you like your developer you can keep your developer... Where have I heard something like that...hummmm...was that from simcare? Just messing with you all...

What was my intent, did you read something from me where I was bashing Orbx in this thread?

LOL, so far where is the troll wrong about what he said was going to happen?

Orbx.....nuff said. I remember a guy here (just can't remember his name) who was saying the same thing about breaking add on compatibility because of DX11 and other stuff wayyyyyy before release of V2.0, he was also implying that he would be very surprised if major compatibility patch were not offered for a price or if you would have to buy brand new add on as the one already out would be to much trouble to patch for free...time will tell I guess...I have his name on the tip of my tongue, can you read it..

Arwen, Great post, but about being impatient, is it that peoples are impatient now that V2.0 is released for LM to fix the bugs or is it that peoples were impatient for LM to released V2.0 regardless of where they were in beta testing, my post was to say that V2.0 was FAR from ready to be released, peoples are indeed impatient, LM (including simmers) should have been patient and wait to release V2.0 only when ready, I stand by what I said though, any other new company that would have released a product with major bugs like that at released would have been crucified by this community, I hope that LM WILL think twice before releasing any kind of 1/2 *** patch, simmers will get tired of 1/2 way ready release pretty fast, just look at the kind of threads one can read on this forum. I believe you when you say that P3D run well on your PC, BUT what are your settings....your settings does not matter really if you are happy with V2.0 but other simmers like a lot of eye candy and other stuff and that's when they try to push the sliders a little more that all hell brake loose, trust me we tried it on a top of the line PC with top of the line hardware with and without tweaks, enough tweak to get impatient...