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Basic guidance on initial VNAV?

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I've done the tutorial, skimmed over some of the basic manuals. The tutorial was well done by the way, because I didn't crash hehe! I'm a 90% of the time GA flyer, so this plane is a HUGE step for me. I'm having some issues with VNAV early on, mainly in the takeoff phase. I've got it on now in the climb and cruise and it's working great, per my FMS settings. Anyway, I set the MCP speed to V2 (about 147) on this flight, and arm VNAV on the ground. I roll with flaps 10, and nearly max power due to a short strip, TOGA armed, A/T armed, etc. I rotate and a then things go bad LOL! The A/P basically wants to fly at 147 knots in the climb, so my VSI goes way up to around 6000+ fpm, and then I start to stall. I don't recall it doing this on the tutorial flight. What am I missing?

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I've done the tutorial, skimmed over some of the basic manuals. The tutorial was well done by the way, because I didn't crash hehe! I'm a 90% of the time GA flyer, so this plane is a HUGE step for me. I'm having some issues with VNAV early on, mainly in the takeoff phase. I've got it on now in the climb and cruise and it's working great, per my FMS settings. Anyway, I set the MCP speed to V2 (about 147) on this flight, and arm VNAV on the ground. I roll with flaps 10, and nearly max power due to a short strip, TOGA armed, A/T armed, etc. I rotate and a then things go bad LOL! The A/P basically wants to fly at 147 knots in the climb, so my VSI goes way up to around 6000+ fpm, and then I start to stall. I don't recall it doing this on the tutorial flight. What am I missing?
Ryan, Care to take a snap shot of the main panel at rotation or initial climb? What does the FMA say?

Mats Johansson
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I'll try to get a screenie soon. Oh, and I meant to write that it's not an aircraft issue or bug, this is 100% a PEBKAC issue but I need some help other than the manual.... (words are hard for me to follow sometimes I'm more of a visual learner). Though I'm pretty sure it said the same as the tutorial, N1, LNAV, VNAV SPD all in green.

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There must be more to the story than climbing at 147kias and 6000fpm then stalling. I hope there's a few steps you didn't pass on.

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There must be more to the story than climbing at 147kias and 6000fpm then stalling. I hope there's a few steps you didn't pass on.
Well the AFDS should adjust the speed to V2+20 if all set up correctly and TO/GA active. I would like to see the screenies of the panel before and after the upset. Cheers,

Mats Johansson
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and AP is surely on right ? You see CMD in the FMA not FD.

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Well I'm trying to do the same flight over but I'm obviously missing something because now I cannot even arm VNAV on the ground. MCP altitude is high enough, I see altitudes in my "legs" page, all the init ref stuff/N1 limits/Takeoff pages are setup. What am I missing?

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I've never seen that MSG even in the tutorial!

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Learn to hand fly that sucker!! : )

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Oh I can actually... that's just what I did after I nearly died on takeoff. I fly a lot of GA on vatsim so I can do all the non precision approaches etc etc.

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Screenies! :)

Mats Johansson
PMDG Flight Test Dept
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Screenies won't help if I can't get VNAV to engage LOL!

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I never once touched a VNAV button in 20 years.. v/s mode is much better.. In FSX though, if you have sudden wind changes, I imagine VNAV will overreact and pitch to control airspeed. Probably why you stalled..

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