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changing default head position with Track IR

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Hello All, First post..Sorry if this is really basic, I have been reading this forum all day and should really get to work but I cant find the answer I need, I am sure it is something really simple that doesnt even get discussed...Here goes... I happily used TrackIR with FS2004. I used the keys to put the pilots head position where I wanted, F12'd then was free to look around and fly as I would expect., really comfortable and easy. Something seems fundamentally different in FSX... I find that the simulator wants my head in a certain place and usually its not where I want it. I find I am fighting the default head position constantly and as a result I rapidly tired of FSX and put it away. Now with the new PMDG 737 simulation I want to get back into it and get it setup nicely. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? It seems like I need to map some keys but I cant find the right ones, or am I suppose to edit something in a cfg file or something?? I noticed with the Realair Duke that I had to cycle between different views like a sort of approach view, where the pilot almost has his chin on the coaming and its uncomfortable to see the instruments, or an Instrument view where you can hardly see the horizon. To me the whole point of TrackIR is that I dont want to have to cycle views. If I want to look somewhere I will look there and that will be all I need to do. What is going on with FSX and TrackIR? Please help!

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I found myself in the exact same situation as you and I enquirred here at the forums. Nick from AOA suggested that I use EZDOK in order to change the viewpoint. It works quite nicely in tandom with eachother.

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Hi thanks for your help, I will look into that. So I take it they broke something in FSX which means we cant do it without external assistance?

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Hi BluePilot: They didn't break anything - just changed how you adjust the eyepoint. It is different in FSX. TrackIR:With the IR device sitting on the top center of your monitor - your head in its most natural position for viewing (I usually look directly at the device), you simply move the camera to get the three green dots equally spaced around the center point of the "camera" (top-right corner) and press the "center" button on the keyboard. In my case I have the 'Scroll Lock' key mapped to 'center'. 'Pause' is mapped to the "\" key - which in turn is mapped to an assignable button on my Logitech mouse, with 'Precision' left as the default F7 key. When you exit TIR it will ask if you want to save this profile, and you just click 'yes'. I am using the 'smooth' profile - set as 'Exclusive'. My other suggestion is for you to learn how to use TIR completely before bringing in EZCA... EZCA will give you an even greater sense of "being there" when it's set up, BUT - not understanding TIR OR EZCA will drive you from the sim altogether.!!! If you are not completely comfortable with TIR, don't add a more difficult-to-learn program into the mix. There are dozens, if not hundreds of simmers who have dumped EZCA through being unable to understand how to set it up. The instructions are abysmal, written by someone whose first language is Russian, with better instruction coming from a few good users.So - give yourself and TIR a couple of months before adding EZCA. You will not regret it, as TIR gives you almost exactly the same viewing abilities as you have when in a r/w cockpit or flight deck.

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Hi Paul J,Thanks for that, but I dont think I have a problem with Track IR, I have been a long time user; I had a TIR4 with the reflectors and now I have a TIR5 with the proclip, I havent flown a flight sim with out one for probably more than 5 years, loads of time on IL2, FS9, RoF, DCS Blackshark and DCS A10C. I do have the sensor pointing directly at my lights and have suitably mapped a key for center and pause. My problem is that my heads datum position within the cockpit is not necassarily where I want it, and I want to know how to change that. It was easily done in FS9, there was keys mappable for something like shift head position up/down/fwd/back/left/right. On a related note, in the introduction booklet to PMDG 737NGX there was something like use the mouse and the spacebar to make your viewpoint so that you can see the view outside and the base of the PFD. Made me think there might be something I could map? BTW I was amazed how simple TIR was to setup and worked right out of the box. Rare to find software or hardware working so brilliantly and intuitively.

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Don't forget you have to reset your view once in a while... the camera's get a little screwy over time you just press your "center view" key to re-center.

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yes, I have no problem with Track IR. Re-centering the view in TrackIR does not change my virtual pilots datum head position...I dont know how I can explain my problem any more clearly than I have already lol!

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I think you're looking for:- Down..........Shft-BkspcUp..............Shft-EnterForward.....Ctrl-BkspcBackward...Ctrl-EnterLeft............Ctrl-Shft-BkspcRight..........Ctrl-Shft-Enter To make a permanent change to an aircraft - through the aircraft.cfg - look for this line:- [Views]eyepoint= -0.4, 0, 1.90 //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from the reference datum The three figures are:1). z-axis the higher the number - the closer the panel.2): lateral axis, the lower the number – the closer to the aircraft's center-line. 3). vertical axis, the lower the number – the lower the view.

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Blue,If using the track clip be sure to move the camera a little left of center on the monitor; in other words, locate it directly in front of the track clip. Centering is just a matter of putting your head where you want it and pressing the center key. I've mapped the centering key to the spacebar so I put my head where I'm comfortable and press the space bar. If my view is a little high I move higher, press the space bar and then move back to my desired postion. Hope this helps.

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in short: FSX "broke" TIR by forcing the user to use the view position defined in aircraft.cfg. In FS9, you can shift the view point (x,y,z) while TIR is active, but on FSX, once TIR is active, the view position uses the coordinate in aircraft.cfg. You can compensate by recentering with your head placed at a positioin opposit of where you want it to be, i.e., prior to landing, slightly translate your head low in the Z direction, then recenter TIR, then when your head is back to the neutral/normal position, you'll be placed slightly higher and looking over the panel glare shield. You can also play with the default view position in aircraft.cfg, since some airplanes place the view point at the wrong position. Cheesy but that's how it works with FSX.

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bluepilot76 ,I know exactly what you are talking about and I felt exactly the same way when I first started to play FSX with TIR. As stated in a previous post, the solution really is to buy EZCA from Flight1. This will solve your TIR issues and will give other great additional functionality like the ability to setup custom cameras anywhere you want them and cool dynamic camera movement while flying which enhances the feeling of really flying when in the VC. Its ability to quickly zoom in on sets of instruments and switches when you fly is indespensible I think. I don't think I would want to fly FSX without it now that I am used to it. It works great with TIR. One tip though, I had some problems getting it to play well with TIR until I figured out that I should run both TIR and EZCA 'as administrator'. Good luck!

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I have a similar issue. I look at the center of the monitor and hit F12 to center the view. However when I'm flying I find that to look down at the instrument panel (particularly the light switches on the bottom of the Cessna 172 panel) I find myself with my chin almost on my chest with my eyes looking up. Very uncomfortable.Alan

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I find myself with my chin almost on my chest with my eyes looking up.
..Then you're not adjusting the pitch curve, Alan. Make it more like a "U" or a "V" shape. This is something you can do by reducing the FSX window, and viewing the TIR screen at the same time. Same goes for the yaw axis.

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Wow, been away from the internet today and blown away by all the replies, thanks for your help folks! Paul J the cfg mod is probably the one for me at the moment, I have only just discovered how easy it is to access the cfg file to make these mods and that its not that scarey! I saw the AOA video which utilised that EZCA thing, although I didnt know how he had done it. Certainly sounds like the business. Pity yet more money needs to be flown into the FSX pot but Im well down that slippery slope now!!

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Just to add that I spent some time trying to solve this last night. I re-checked the key mapping options. When I try any of move headpoint up/down/left/right commands, you can see the pilots head trying to move, but it will rebound back to the default immediately. With Track IR I also tried all the old tricks about looking somewhere else before recentering, and also centering and then adjusting the sensor to trick the system. These work for a short time, but sooner or lator the head will jump back to the default position. It really is very annoying and very tiring. I can't believe what a poor job they made of this simulator! You can see when you try and remap the keys what a poor job was done. Its really dissapointing when we all spend so much on great addons to have to base them on such a mess. Oh despite my ealier confidence about finding the cfg files, I couldnt find the aircraft specific ones, can someone point me in the right direction please?Also,,, some of you seem to be able to recentre trackIR once in the aircraft. I cant do this. I have tried mapping my recentre key to something definately not used by the simulator. It seems that once the sim starts, all commands to TIR get blocked. I always use full screen, I imagine it is possible in windowed mode-is that how you are doing it?? I like full screen though...

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BluepilotI run FSX full screen and I mapped the pause button to one of my GoFlight module buttons (went into TrackiR and mapped the pause to a key stroke and reproduced that in GF) and it works great (haven't mapped the center function yet). You should be able to map Pause and Center in TrackiR to keyboard keystrokes (make sure you save it -- I think that maybe you're not doing that).PaulJThanks for that tip. I was pulling up the TrackiR screen maximised to set center. I think I will map Center to a key stroke so I can do it from within FSX -- should be easier than looking at two windows.Alan

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Hi Rebel,That seems like a good idea, but that Goflight stuff is Hardware isnt it?.I dont fancy getting onto that S-slope, next thing I will have have a 737 cockpit instead of a living room. GF would never allow it.I suppose it should work with a joystick button though...I tried it on my middle mouse button and didnt seem to work...but maybe FSX is demanding something else from my M mouse button that is not shown in the key commands page. Quite a lot of functions seem to be missing from that page, well I couldnt find them anyway. Otherwise Im still hoping someone can tell me where to find a specific aircraft cfg file? I probably will get that EZCA software, just not sure I can make a big download for a few weeks, restricted internet bandwidth at work.

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Hi, I don't know if this tip will help your situation or not but one thing I have done which greatly helped me is I set TrackIR's center button to the same button combination as the FSX center viewpoint (CTRL-SPACE). This way, I set my head and eyes at my natural center looking comfortable position and hit Control+Space and everything is nicely centered. With some planes, I will adjust my head a bit off-center first. For example, I like to see more of the gauges so I'll generally put my head a bit higher and closer to the screen than my natural sitting position, hit Control+Space and then when my head goes back I have a perfect viewing position.

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Hi Timmer,Thanks I will try that. My default centering button is F12, and even if I turn that off in the key mapping section of FSX it doesnt seem to work, but its a good idea to try CTRL-SPACE. On a related note I see that EZCA is only 6mb or something so it will be no problem for me to download anyway.

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Otherwise Im still hoping someone can tell me where to find a specific aircraft cfg file?
I think that you'll find it in the actual aircraft folder, Open it in notepad , but it isnt anything to do with your trackir pronlem

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OK thanks Forties. It will help because I can put the default head position where I want it to be since you cannot do that within FSX if you use TrackIR. I tried mapping my centering button in TIR to ctrlspace as suggested. Its not working for me. FSX does not let me instruct TIR at all once in the cockpit, although the TIR itself works perfectly. It seems that FSX insists that you use a certain head position if you are going to use TIR.

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Are you saying you can't use the custom TIR command keys once in FSX? Check that the center key setting in the TIR configuration has "Enable" checked and "Trap" unchecked. Also, double-check that it's using that profile while in FSX (TIR has a nasty habit of forgetting settings and profiles for me).

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Easiest way to do it is to exaggerate your head position when centering to get the desired effect.For example, if I want my center view to be a little higher for a landing I'll dip my neck a little, center with f12, and then when my head is back to it's normal rest position my view is a little higher.

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Yes Timmer, that is correct. I set it up on the desktop before entering FSX. Actually I think I can still set it up when at the welcome screen as well. But once I get into the cockpit it will not let me centre, pause or precision. I know my profile is working.. I am using the "Seth flight" one now, a few days ago I was experimenting with my own curves, anyway it is very apparent to me that the desired profile has made it into the sim., just I have no control over those 3 functions. I set it to exclusive to make sure it is locked in place. I dont know about that trap funciton, I will investigate that.It sounds like I am the only one with this problem! I just assumed it was something specific to FSX. It would certainly solve all my problems if I could use any of the normal recentering tricks to get it just right! I will have a careful look at those settings within TIR.

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Bluepilot S! Your problem must be in your settings, In your FSX Controls settings in Keys and buttons for your joystick try putting F9 to " Virtual Cockpit (shortcut)" and F12 to "View Camera4 (select)" Then use those (F9 and F12 ) as the Trackir Hotkeys - They are the defaults in Trackir as you may know. It's what I use and mine is fine on pause and centering. PS = Is your joystick a Saiteck X52 ~?

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