Er... do those maps and charts things come with EFB...? Or do you have to search for them on the internet and import them somehow? I was put off buy the high preice off EFB, but if it comes with all charts...?

Hello J van E, haven't heard from you since the AirbusX checklist days. Yes, AivlaSoft's EFB comes with all the charts and plates of the world. It uses Navigragh for updates which aren't totally necessary but really should be updated along with all the other addons on their release cycle. Take a look here http://www.avsim.com/pages/0511/Combo/MD11.html about the middle of the review and at the end for some practical use of EFB. Once you use it, you're hooked. Makes flight planning and monitoring a snap, plus a whole lot more in the slick package.Ray

Hey gang, this is so very good that I made a PDF file from the post for you to download and practice, practice, practice. Thanks Tom. Downloadable Tutorial here. ************ UPDATE *************** I couldn't get back in to edit the previous post but I have updated the pdf file slightly. Nothing Earth shattering, just added a couple of Tom's notes and a the final steps to Activate and EXEC. Ray

The updated pdf is here.

How does vroute fair with Australian routes?

I responded here - at some length: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/345272-sids-stars-and-approach-transitions-worked-example-ii

Wow this is great, thanks! I used to determine all this by just reading the names (on route EGLL-EHAM first waypoint is BIG, so SID is BIG-something),but now, with the charts and stuff, I feel I'm being much more realistic!

Since the LUNIP1P STAR terminates at RUVAS, this is the one we want to use.

Hello. How do you know that the LUNI1P STAR ends at RUVAS?

Hello. How do you know that the LUNI1P STAR ends at RUVAS?

Yeah it's a good question is that through just studying the charts etc? Phil Brewer

How do you know that the LUNI1P STAR ends at RUVAS?

I know that from reading the STAR chart. If you look at my original post, in step (3) I describe how you can download the chart that you need. The LUNIP1L STAR is on the second page of of the pdf that you download. This is what the relevant part looks like: Hope this helps, / Tom

Hmm. I only have one availible page in that document, and im quite certain its the right one. https://www.ippc.no/norway_aip/current/AIP/AD/ENGM/EN_AD_2_ENGM_5-1_en.pdf

I know that from reading the STAR chart. If you look at my original post, in step (3) I describe how you can download the chart that you need. The LUNIP1L STAR is on the second page of of the pdf that you download. This is what the relevant part looks like: Hope this helps, / Tom

Hmm. I only have one availible page in that document, and im quite certain its the right one.

No, that one is the approach chart. The one with the STAR is here: https://www.ippc.no/norway_aip/current/AIP/AD/ENGM/EN_AD_2_ENGM_4-25_en.pdf (I don't provide a link to the document in my OP, only a description of how to find it. Maybe that is what is causing the trouble?) / Tom

Ah thank you, i found file myself now too. Thanks for you quick response :)

Thank you very much for an excellent guide Tom! There is just one thing I was wondering could you expand on? When you were selecting the SID, you said the letter 'C' at the end of the SID name, in Europe follows a scheme that represents the departing runway. How exactly does runway 22R map to a 'C', and 04R map to an 'A' in the SID names?

Thank you very much for an excellent guide Tom! There is just one thing I was wondering could you expand on? When you were selecting the SID, you said the letter 'C' at the end of the SID name, in Europe follows a scheme that represents the departing runway. How exactly does runway 22R map to a 'C', and 04R map to an 'A' in the SID names?

and could you expand on the whole "C" or "A" thing? for Europe?

There is just one thing I was wondering could you expand on? When you were selecting the SID, you said the letter 'C' at the end of the SID name, in Europe follows a scheme that represents the departing runway. How exactly does runway 22R map to a 'C', and 04R map to an 'A' in the SID names?

Very good question, and I'm not sure I know the answer. At EKCH there are four letters used at the end of SID names - A, B, C, and D. These correspond to SIDS from rwys 04L/R, 12, 22L/R, and 30 respectively, so the SIDs KEMAX4A, SIMEG4A, MAXEL3A and so on all depart from runway 04L/R. But you would have to know that "A" meant runway 04L/R before you could tell that. Departures from ENGM also use this scheme, with A = 01L, B=01R, C=19L, and D=19R. Looks like they simply arranged the runways in numerical and alphabetical order and called the first one "A", the second "B", and so on ... At Cork airport (EICK) the scheme is more complex. The letters N, T = runway 35 and Q, S = runway 17. The reason for having two letters for each departure runway seems to have to do with the required minimum climb gradient - "S" and "N" departures are steeper than "T" and "Q" SIDs (so, for example, the KURUM1S SID from rwy 17 requires a minimum climb of 553' per NM, whereas KURUM1Q from the same runway only has a climb gradient of 401' per NM). One thing to keep in mind is that "Europe" is a contiguous geographical area, but broken into many different countries with different ways of doing things. Don't expect uniform standards all over the region / Tom EDIT: Looking at the EICK charts again, this time on the Irish Aviation Authority web site, the "S" and "N" SIDS are for aircraft in category A and B, whereas the "T" and "Q" SIDs are for aircraft in any category.

Very good question, and I'm not sure I know the answer. At EKCH there are four letters used at the end of SID names - A, B, C, and D. These correspond to SIDS from rwys 04L/R, 12, 22L/R, and 30 respectively, so the SIDs KEMAX4A, SIMEG4A, MAXEL3A and so on all depart from runway 04L/R. But you would have to know that "A" meant runway 04L/R before you could tell that. Departures from ENGM also use this scheme, with A = 01L, B=01R, C=19L, and D=19R. Looks like they simply arranged the runways in numerical and alphabetical order and called the first one "A", the second "B", and so on ... At Cork airport (EICK) the scheme is more complex. The letters N, T = runway 35 and Q, S = runway 17. The reason for having two letters for each departure runway seems to have to do with the required minimum climb gradient - "S" and "N" departures are steeper than "T" and "Q" SIDs (so, for example, the KURUM1S SID from rwy 17 requires a minimum climb of 553' per NM, whereas KURUM1Q from the same runway only has a climb gradient of 401' per NM). One thing to keep in mind is that "Europe" is a contiguous geographical area, but broken into many different countries with different ways of doing things. Don't expect uniform standards all over the region / Tom EDIT: Looking at the EICK charts again, this time on the Irish Aviation Authority web site, the "S" and "N" SIDS are for aircraft in category A and B, whereas the "T" and "Q" SIDs are for aircraft in any category.

Thank you very much for that information Tom! When I was looking at your post originally I was beginning to wonder did the airports do just some sort of A B C D.... ordering on the runways. As you said there must be some kind of local schemes and reasonings going on. I must say I never knew that about Cork airport either! You know more about my local airport in Denmark than I do here! :( Thanks again!