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Yaw Damper & Tight Turns?

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Still have a couple of questions for you guys re the LOWI rwy08 visual approach (and similar tight turns)... 1) On a turn such as the the above approach, I do use moderate rudder, even though yaw damper is on. Is that correct? 2) Is it ever acceptable to use asymmetrical thrust on such occations? Thanks

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Don't think rudder and assymetrical thrust is used on short turns. the bank you make of 30° approx max is for pax comfort, if you add the assymetrical trhust and rudder to that, the pax will feel the G I believe!

Regards,

 

Renzo Marcus

Rudder isn't really used in these conditions. It's for crosswind during TOLs and Single Engine operations and a few other situations.

Matt Cee

It's all about "keeping the ball in the middle". With other words: stay coordinated when making a turn. And the yaw damper does that for you, no need for manual input. Assymetrical thrust is usefull on the tarmac making a nice sharp 180 turn. I don't think it's used in normal flight ops as it has the same yawing effect as the rudder.Kind regards,Daniel Verhaal

I don't believe any of both techniques is used for sharp turns.Why don't you bank more?From some videos i've seen from LOWI approaches, the pilots tend to bank firm, not the typical slowish autopilot banking. However I have the feeling it's more a phsycological thing.Bert Van Bulck

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I don't believe any of both techniques is used for sharp turns.Why don't you bank more?From some videos i've seen from LOWI approaches, the pilots tend to bank firm, not the typical slowish autopilot banking. However I have the feeling it's more a phsycological thing.Bert Van Bulck
What I find almost shocking, is the amount of elevator required to counter act such a sharp turn. It's MUCH more prominent with the NGX than other addons. Guess that just goes to show the difference in FDE quality. The only other mid size aircraft I have that acts in a similar fashion is the QW757.

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What I find almost shocking, is the amount of elevator required to counter act such a sharp turn. It's MUCH more prominent with the NGX than other addons. Guess that just goes to show the difference in FDE quality. The only other mid size aircraft I have that acts in a similar fashion is the QW757.
I agree, as thrust as wel. A couple of weeks ago I asked some feedback about sharp turns on this forum (but didn't see a lot of feedback).I know that flying about 10 kts faster than the flap speed is more comfortable but is that what you want at LOWI? no idea...I hope AOA covers it at some point in their training package, or a real pilot replies.Bert Van Bulck

My guess is just remain flaps speed +5 but start your idle a bit earlier, normally you would idle at around 15, try it around 30 to bleed off some extra speed

Regards,

 

Renzo Marcus

I've never been in to LOWI, but I've flown in SE Alaska which is also very mountainous.I'd say you should:

  1. Configure early
  2. Use F40 for the approach
  3. Have the landing checklist done by the downwind.

There's no tricks with rudder or asymmetric thrust.

Matt Cee

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