what company this is

This is a chartered boeing 757-200 fligth from Moscow Domodedovo to Innsbruck Kranebitten with a Russian charter airline called VIM.

they look European to me

They look like me!BTW Guys, why are you so emotional about this video?

This is a chartered boeing 757-200 fligth from Moscow Domodedovo to Innsbruck Kranebitten with a Russian charter airline called VIM. They look like me!BTW Guys, why are you so emotional about this video?

I don't know about emotional, the only real emotion I sensed was the guy at the beginning of the thread calling people stupid. But pilots goofing off like that is kind of serious when you consider the detrimental effects they can have a lot of people's lives if they have an "oops".

Edited January 13, 201214 yr by KevinAu

Wierd you can't take a foto for a few seconds, but you are allowed to have dangerous approaches./Baudie

But pilots goofing off like that is kind of serious when you consider the detrimental effects they can have a lot of people's lives if they have an "oops".

Aw come on. Cut them some slack, nobody in a two-men cockpit is going to be killed just because the pilot (the monitoring pilot) took 5 seconds to take a photo of the (I'm sure) breath-taking scenery on that approach.Yes, the sterile cockpit rule yadda yadda yadda, but be honest here; he wasn't talking to the captain about his next door hot female neighbour nor he wasn't at all uninterested in the approach whatsoever, he just grabbed a camera, took some photos (albeit one too much if you ask me).Listen, aviation is such a beautiful thing and every pilot I've known is always talking about any exciting approach he did just a while ago, that rare destination he flew into last week or that abnormal situation/emergency he had some months/years ago. Just as anybody has photos of the rare places they went, usually a pilot has photos as well. I'm not condoning this type of behaviour completely, in my opinion, he overdid that photo stuff, but it's not like "Oh my god, he took a photo on approach, they're gonna get killed!" or "Oh my god, they laughed about a funny little comment they made for 5 seconds, they're gonna get killed!". But seriously, a little photo, a little funny comment, one moment out of the loop IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS is not likely to get anybody killed just because that single event triggered a whole huge sequence of events which led to a crash. At least not with proper proficient pilots anyway, since one of the abilities of a pilot is to quickly re-introduce himself to the flight deck situation.Come on, no one ever keeps quiet below 10000ft every flight. Yet you don't hear airplanes falling out of the sky because of that.Posting under AVSIM staff label, but this is my own opinion. Usual caveats apply

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"Oh my god, they laughed about a funny little comment they made for 5 seconds, they're gonna get killed!"

Lol, you've made my day, Ed! :(

Aw come on. Cut them some slack, nobody in a two-men cockpit is going to be killed just because the pilot (the monitoring pilot) took 5 seconds to take a photo of the (I'm sure) breath-taking scenery on that approach.Yes, the sterile cockpit rule yadda yadda yadda, but be honest here; he wasn't talking to the captain about his next door hot female neighbour nor he wasn't at all uninterested in the approach whatsoever, he just grabbed a camera, took some photos (albeit one too much if you ask me).Listen, aviation is such a beautiful thing and every pilot I've known is always talking about any exciting approach he did just a while ago, that rare destination he flew into last week or that abnormal situation/emergency he had some months/years ago. Just as anybody has photos of the rare places they went, usually a pilot has photos as well. I'm not condoning this type of behaviour completely, in my opinion, he overdid that photo stuff, but it's not like "Oh my god, he took a photo on approach, they're gonna get killed!" or "Oh my god, they laughed about a funny little comment they made for 5 seconds, they're gonna get killed!". But seriously, a little photo, a little funny comment, one moment out of the loop IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS is not likely to get anybody killed just because that single event triggered a whole huge sequence of events which led to a crash. At least not with proper proficient pilots anyway, since one of the abilities of a pilot is to quickly re-introduce himself to the flight deck situation.Come on, no one ever keeps quiet below 10000ft every flight. Yet you don't hear airplanes falling out of the sky because of that.Posting under AVSIM staff label, but this is my own opinion. Usual caveats apply

It's really not that hard to be professional and try to do your job the right way. I do it each day, I have FOs that do it each day and I've sat in the jumpseat of other guys who do their job right. You don't have to be a rulebreaker to be cool. We are past that here in the states, at least for most of us that I fly with. Once you choose to break the rules, whichever rule, where does that stop? How about you land that jet just a bit further past the touchdown zone? I'm sure it will work fine 99.9% of the time. For that .1% when it doesn't, how do you explain yourself to the board and family of the dead? Would those guys have done what they did if they knew the FAA or JAA or whoever is the boss of them is watching? In life it's what you do when you think no one is watching that matters.

Edited January 14, 201214 yr by KevinAu

Wierd you can't take a foto for a few seconds, but you are allowed to have dangerous approaches./Baudie

I wouldn't call that a dangerous approach. As long as they've had the required extra training for it, it's as dangerous as any other. That's what special training is for, to make something like that as safe as anything else. Now if you enter that game without the special training or do it while violating the way you're supposed to do it, then yes, it would be dangerous.

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Obviously, to agree with that viewpoint, you've never been through any type of professional pilot training. But take a day out, call up a local airline, tell them you're an enthusiast and ask to sit in on something like a crm class and you'll learn a few things that will make you rethink.

Obviously, to agree with that viewpoint, you've never been through any type of professional pilot training. But take a day out, call up a local airline, tell them you're an enthusiast and ask to sit in on something like a crm class and you'll learn a few things that will make you rethink.

I think Mr. Stolle is ,in fact, an airline captain. (I may be wrong)

I think Mr. Stolle is ,in fact, an airline captain. (I may be wrong)

In that case, his statements and attitude would be a little concerning.

Edited January 14, 201214 yr by KevinAu

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Edited January 14, 201214 yr by BMG50

It's really not that hard to be professional and try to do your job the right way. I do it each day, I have FOs that do it each day and I've sat in the jumpseat of other guys who do their job right. You don't have to be a rulebreaker to be cool. We are past that here in the states, at least for most of us that I fly with. Once you choose to break the rules, whichever rule, where does that stop? How about you land that jet just a bit further past the touchdown zone? I'm sure it will work fine 99.9% of the time. For that .1% when it doesn't, how do you explain yourself to the board and family of the dead? Would those guys have done what they did if they knew the FAA or JAA or whoever is the boss of them is watching? In life it's what you do when you think no one is watching that matters.

Did I say you had to break the rules to be cool? I consider myself as doing my job the right way since every abnormal situation I've ever had I've solved properly and it even has been stopped while it was possible. I'm also not saying that just because something has never happened it will never happen. Take this for example, had they been in IMC, at night now that would have been really stupid and I'm sure if something was ever to happen, the minute the airplane issues any type of warning that bloke would have thrown that cellphone away and get on the business as fast as you'd have never seen. What I am saying is that while he did overdo that photo session a bit there it's not likely to get him killed, what he did was not dangerous (given the conditions they were doing that approach) and just because one day you decided to take some photos of one awesome approach you rarely go or have never been to (with agreement from your flightcrew member) then you will become someone who disregards the rules permanently.By the way, since, according to you, to agree with this point of view you've "never been through any type of professional pilot training", I inform you I am both a former aircraft dispatcher and a current F/O on a commercial transport aircraft.As far as I am concerned, the only wrong thing that 757 F/O did was taking photos of the approach while there was a camera filming him so people with such a "black and white" view about these type of things would bash him for doing it and calling him, basically, an outlaw and a potential disaster.

Did I say you had to break the rules to be cool? I consider myself as doing my job the right way since every abnormal situation I've ever had I've solved properly and it even has been stopped while it was possible. I'm also not saying that just because something has never happened it will never happen. Take this for example, had they been in IMC, at night now that would have been really stupid and I'm sure if something was ever to happen, the minute the airplane issues any type of warning that bloke would have thrown that cellphone away and get on the business as fast as you'd have never seen. What I am saying is that while he did overdo that photo session a bit there it's not likely to get him killed, what he did was not dangerous (given the conditions they were doing that approach) and just because one day you decided to take some photos of one awesome approach you rarely go or have never been to (with agreement from your flightcrew member) then you will become someone who disregards the rules permanently.By the way, since, according to you, to agree with this point of view you've "never been through any type of professional pilot training", I inform you I am both a former aircraft dispatcher and a current F/O on a commercial transport aircraft.As far as I am concerned, the only wrong thing that 757 F/O did was taking photos of the approach while there was a camera filming him so people with such a "black and white" view about these type of things would bash him for doing it and calling him, basically, an outlaw and a potential disaster.

And your view that a little camera action is ok since it is not going to get anybody killed is just as "black and white." What it can do, is divert enough attention away that some sort of deviation or undesired aircraft state is now more likely to occur. What if they missed a radio call because they were chit chatting or taking pictures and ended up having a near miss with a Cessna? What if they went through a step down early or missed a step down on that approach because they were looking elsewhere? What if that caused them to be too high on final and instead of an embarressing go-around with a camera rolling, he pressed it. No, the camera probably is not going to kill anybody, but it is going to decrease the safety margin that their passengers thought they were paying for. At the very least anyways. And if you could care less about your passengers, it could cause you to have an embarressing incident, a form to fill, maybe a visit to the chief pilot's office, and yes, maybe even getting everybody killed if the chain of events so transpire. So why put yourself in that position? If it is that important to you to goof off, or enjoy the beauty of flight, or thrill of flight, or whatever, do it with your own plane. You don't own that 757, do you? Were those two making the lease payments on it? Do it on your own dime and with the consent of the people strapped in the back, please.A lot of the comments you've made are indicative of a lot of the things that our company has tried over the years to press out of the pilot group. The examples of willful disobedience and normalization of deviance that you're defending probably isn't going to kill you or anybody, but it is going to increase the odds that something untoward can result given enough time operating in that manner. None of this should be new to you as a commercial crewmember. Like I said before, and as you said so yourself just now about how the only thing they did wrong was getting caught, you're only as good as what you do when you don't think anybody is watching you.

Edited January 14, 201214 yr by KevinAu

It's not the smartest move when being filmed, but people here call him stupid and a potential danger and rule-breaker - even though we don't even know if he broke any company rule.It makes me think of the ones who got burned and died, just because the captain wouldn't brake any rules and make a overweight landing with smoke from an unknown source. I'm not saying that you would do that, but some captains are way to strict. Of course the crew shouldn't breake any rules unless it necessary, but this is far from being dangerous with the information we have.Have a nice weekend all and have safe flights, those who work with the best "office"-view :)/Baudie