Hope We Don't Do This Too Often

[vc10man 732]

This incident, took place 27th January 2012 as reported in the Times of India, at WSSS."In the span of about 30 seconds, an Air India Express 737-800WL aircraft with about 90 passengers on board created a double scare at Singapore's Changi airport on Monday.First, its pilot did not wait for the vital take-off clearance from the air traffic controller concerned. As the Boeing 737-800 aircraft sped along the runway for a take-off, the alarmed air traffic control officials hauled up the pilots and ordered them to stop. The jet had reached the critical speed of 260 kmph and was seconds away from lifting off the runway when the pilot pulled the throttle back to abort the take-off.""The airline has grounded both the pilots and an investigation is on.An Air India Express spokesperson confirmed the incident. The matter has once again raised questions about the training standards in Air India Express. The airline was lambasted by the Directorate General of Civil Aviation in a recent audit for its poor training practices."A Boeing 777 aircraft had just departed from runway 02 C and so take-off clearance to the next aircraft would have been given only after a span of two minutes," said a source. But the Air India Express pilots, operating the Singapore-Trichy flight IX-681, for reasons not yet known, decided to take off from the said runway before obtaining the mandatory go-ahead from the air traffic controllerThe newspaper then goes on to explain to its readers all about the critical point of V1,V2, etc.I trust we don't do this even if it's only a simulation if using any form of ATC.

[scandinavian13 5,192]

You'd be surprised at the things you see as a VATSIM controller...RW controllers have interesting stories of their own, sure, but sim pilots pull some weird stuff all the time.

[Sam Nicholson 0]

Pretty sure I don't want another Tenerife incident - but there'll always be tales being made everyday. I find id rather silly that they couldn't wait 2 minutes and easily make up the time during cruise. :(

[SMITI07 53]

Well i wont be flying that airline in a hurry. Appears to be a culture amongst the the pilot group in that carrier.

[vc10man 732]

Well i wont be flying that airline in a hurry. Appears to be a culture amongst the the pilot group in that carrier.

Same airline ran off the runway a year or so ago taking off from Mangalore with loss of lives. And not so long ago, incredibly, not sure which airline but it was in India, they discovered that a woman pilot was in fact NOT a qualified pilot at all after she landed nose-gear first and subsequently damaged the nose-gear, which is how they caught her out.

[Pilots Report 0]

You'd be surprised at the things you see as a VATSIM controller...RW controllers have interesting stories of their own, sure, but sim pilots pull some weird stuff all the time.

Then they should be banned from flying on there. If people cant take it seriously then they shouldn't be allowed to take part....even though it isn't real. Edited January 31, 2012 by Pilots Report

[Fabo 213]

Ian, weird stuff does not always mean illegal stuff (in the view of the networks rules&regulations).Just recently I had a pilot request "an inverted low pass over the runway then a 180 turn and a touch n go". Weird, but hardly a reason for ban.In the realm of incidents/accidents, yes they happen even on the network occasionaly, even for the serious folk. Recently I almost had an overrun because of autobrake malfunction, that I did not immediately recognised due to deceleration from spoilers and reversers. It was not until I stowed reverse that I realised the aircraft is not braking. I literally stopped with my nose over the grass.

[Paul Deemer 13]

Crazy stuff doesn't just happen at Third World Airlines it happens inthe USA all the time.Northwest Pilots overshot KMSP by 150 nm.Delta Flight lands on the Taxiway at KATLDelta Flight runs over Tug at KJFKSouthwest Flight does a flyby at 100 feet to check on pilots of a Cirrus SR22

[vc10man 732]

Crazy stuff doesn't just happen at Third World Airlines it happens inthe USA all the time.Northwest Pilots overshot KMSP by 150 nm.Delta Flight lands on the Taxiway at KATLDelta Flight runs over Tug at KJFKSouthwest Flight does a flyby at 100 feet to check on pilots of a Cirrus SR22

Sort of balances ineptitudes then.

[Pilots Report 0]

Ian, weird stuff does not always mean illegal stuff (in the view of the networks rules&regulations).Just recently I had a pilot request "an inverted low pass over the runway then a 180 turn and a touch n go". Weird, but hardly a reason for ban.In the realm of incidents/accidents, yes they happen even on the network occasionaly, even for the serious folk. Recently I almost had an overrun because of autobrake malfunction, that I did not immediately recognised due to deceleration from spoilers and reversers. It was not until I stowed reverse that I realised the aircraft is not braking. I literally stopped with my nose over the grass.

Peter, that's fair comment, but refering to the OP, the pilots started take-off without clearance, so i thought kyles post was refering to the people who do similar things on vatsim...thats what i meant by ban them. If things happen that are unexpected or weird, then I agree that the neccesary action taken isn't reason to ban someone, as long as it is executed with the correct clearance/instructions

[Fabo 213]

In that case, if it is a repeated offense, not a rookie mistake or so, then yeah, disciplinary action has to be taken.

[Nathan Cupps 0]

All of the stories about some of the crazy airline mishaps are always worth a good laugh, except for the fatal ones of course. Still, some the calls to atc on Vatsim are stunning, limitless unreal failures and situations can be explored when your flying a simulator.

[scandinavian13 5,192]

Peter, that's fair comment, but refering to the OP, the pilots started take-off without clearance, so i thought kyles post was refering to the people who do similar things on vatsim...thats what i meant by ban them. If things happen that are unexpected or weird, then I agree that the neccesary action taken isn't reason to ban someone, as long as it is executed with the correct clearance/instructions

That's what it was. The rookie mistakes are obvious, but when I get people threatening to declare an emergency to do what they want...I had someone ignore 3 calls, get too close to another aircraft, and then when I finally issued a vector for spacing, he said "unable - traffic," to which I replied "that traffic is 4000' below you, separation is my job, let me do it. There is traffic ahead of you and I need 10 miles between you two for spacing into New York tonight," so I gave him a course reversal. At that point, he threatened to declare a fuel emergency. People like that...

Still, some the calls to atc on Vatsim are stunning, limitless unreal failures and situations can be explored when your flying a simulator.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how unlikely multiple engine failures are. Never fails at ZDC we have Air Force One tooling around, which is an instant indicator you have no idea what you're doing, are new, and will likely declare some stupid emergency."DEE CEE CENTER, AIR FORCE ONE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY!!! FIVE ENGINE FIRE!!!!!! HYDRAULIC FAILURE!!!!"(For the record, as was in my signature for quite some time, I hate being called "DC" Center)

[jturie 0]

Yeah, I don't think people realize how unlikely multiple engine failures are. Never fails at ZDC we have Air Force One tooling around, which is an instant indicator you have no idea what you're doing, are new, and will likely declare some stupid emergency."DEE CEE CENTER, AIR FORCE ONE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY!!! FIVE ENGINE FIRE!!!!!! HYDRAULIC FAILURE!!!!"(For the record, as was in my signature for quite some time, I hate being called "DC" Center)

Yep, those AF1 kids on VATSIM are always good for a laugh. I was on a 10 mile final for (unstaffed) Dulles once on VATSIM when "AF1" got on unicom and demanded that all inbound flights clear out and stay 5nm away or "my escorting fighters will shoot you down." BTW he was a good 40nm out....I ignored him, but he never landed-just pulled the plug at some point.I think in my ~50 hrs on VATSIM I've heard more emergencies declared than I've seen in real life....don't know how you controllers can deal with that nonsense, but my hat's off to you.

[Nathan Cupps 0]

Yep, those AF1 kids on VATSIM are always good for a laugh. I was on a 10 mile final for (unstaffed) Dulles once on VATSIM when "AF1" got on unicom and demanded that all inbound flights clear out and stay 5nm away or "my escorting fighters will shoot you down." BTW he was a good 40nm out....I ignored him, but he never landed-just pulled the plug at some point.I think in my ~50 hrs on VATSIM I've heard more emergencies declared than I've seen in real life....don't know how you controllers can deal with that nonsense, but my hat's off to you.

As an Albuquerque Center controller on the network you see a fair share of crazy vatsim pilots. Still there are plentiful numbers of those who are real or retired pilots and fly on the network in their recreational time. You never here about those gentlemen because they can fly and even better, talk to Atc properly. Many seasoned Vatsim veterans can do things that would go with out saying as well. Bringing extra fuel to an event, maintaining a hold, playing ball with other aircraft, etc.

That's what it was. The rookie mistakes are obvious, but when I get people threatening to declare an emergency to do what they want...I had someone ignore 3 calls, get too close to another aircraft, and then when I finally issued a vector for spacing, he said "unable - traffic," to which I replied "that traffic is 4000' below you, separation is my job, let me do it. There is traffic ahead of you and I need 10 miles between you two for spacing into New York tonight," so I gave him a course reversal. At that point, he threatened to declare a fuel emergency. People like that...Yeah, I don't think people realize how unlikely multiple engine failures are. Never fails at ZDC we have Air Force One tooling around, which is an instant indicator you have no idea what you're doing, are new, and will likely declare some stupid emergency."DEE CEE CENTER, AIR FORCE ONE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY!!! FIVE ENGINE FIRE!!!!!! HYDRAULIC FAILURE!!!!"(For the record, as was in my signature for quite some time, I hate being called "DC" Center)

I know exactly what your saying, we get one of the Air Force One guys probably two to three times a month. The 12-13 yr old boy who spawned in the 737 at Phoenix and files a flight plan to Las Vegas GPS direct at 11,000 ft. Then he decides to call up as Air Force One when he can't even read back a taxi clearance. Lucky for us when most of them get off the ground they'll declare engine failure and crash into one of the conveniently placed mountains in the P50. :LMAO:I guess I'll edit this an throw in that this character is the main stereo typical Air Force One we as an ARTCC see a majority of the time. They're pilots who can fly Air Force One and other military procedures that shock us. Edited February 1, 2012 by Nathan Cupps