Fabo

As always Ben, big fan - happy to help with some tech if needed.

TrackIR, EZDok any some kind a head moving software?

You mean no Westland Woodpigeon? That's it, I'm leaving.

I didn't choose to ignore that - I very specifically said it's irrelevant, since AFDS is totally independent from HUGS and therefore HUGS is in no way related to the problem described; and need not be discussed here. I appologize if it was your intention to separate the ideas, but it didn't came out that way - to me it seemed like you were saying the airplane needs to have Fail Op to do an automatic landing.

I'm not sure, too lawyerese. I'd argue that I'm not redistributing it, and obviously anyone doing so with the livery they paid me for would be in breach. I am not a lawyer though and I'm not going to be one to bother PMDG lawyers with it - I don't want to waste PMDG money.

I"ve asked this a while back, Tabs was kind enough to list all the variants that will be present in the base pack. You can find the thread through my profile I believe. (edit. or not. Seems to only show content from last year...)

You might get a faster response to these kind of technical questions via ticket system (just a tip)

I thought that only limited *sale* of the liveries, not contracting out to make them? i.e. I can pay, say, Christian Mohr to do me a livery, but I can't further sell it (however I may choose to give it away for free)

Fair enough, although the green/amber indications, while worded differently, are functionally practically identical. It was, however, stated in this thread: which is not true, and that is what I objected to. Agreed.

Not true, fail-op option is comparatively rare in an NG, and airplanes with fail-passive option are fully capable of (CAT IIIa) automatic landing, only without rollout. To say one has to have fail-op option for autoland to work is therefore in essence a lie, whether intentional or misguided, and damaging to community as a whole in it's understanding of operation. It's the same kind of thing like when people started claiming all of a sudden that using a low CI is a universal remedy for descend problems, while that might only mitigate the symptoms (if even that) of the root problem - improper descent planning. While true, it is irrelevant, as any HUGS setting does not have any bearing on AFDS behaviour; as such a red herring that should not be discussed while troubleshooting a different system (only adds confusion). Besides, the lower minima from HUGS only happen for hand-flown approaches anyway, no bearing on automatic landing. That is true, but it does have to happen between APP mode engagement and the point where self-check begins -it's therefore important for troubleshooting to ensure that second AP connection is happening consistently before the selfchecks would begin.

Hi all, feel a need to add: - Fail Op autopilot is NOT required for automatic landing (only for rollout) - HGS is NOT required for automatic landing and it DOES NOT matter if it's set up, and how. - Runways in FS world are all perfectly precise ILS wise and will support an autoland as long as there is an actual ILS. - If the option is installed, Glideslope CAN be capured before localizer. - Have both radios definitely set to the same frequency and show the same indications - crosscheck this! Same course ideally as well. And attach second AP soon enough (as soon as you click on APP)

Not for free, but a discount was expected by many based on several factors, such as: -Robs announcements - while he did never explicitely promise a discount, he said repeatedly he'll try to see if he can find a way. In the end PMDG offered introductory pricing on P3D products which is kind of neither here nor there, as it was available for limited time only and to all customers, including those who didn't own FSX version. -Industry standard - all major FS publishers up to that time included some kind of discount and/or license transfer scheme up to that point, including A2A, who offered to exchange anyones FSX product to P3D Academic line at no cost at the point of split. I took advantage of that offer, and now own a P3D Cessna 172 Trainer. (Of course, no other FS publisher was in quite the same situation as PMDG is regarding legal situation and contracts with manufacturers) It's more like... getting a student license and then getting a new one for another PC after you are no longer a student, or taking your home license and using it in your business..

I can imagine that it'd be easier to jump across the channel if whole of England was under probable mist or what have you. I don't think it being abroad should be that much of an issue, being in EU.

At the end of the day, it's PMDGs right to do whatever they want, including folding tomorrow without releasing anything ever anymore. So you have to figure out for yourself if it's worth it. I decided I wasn't going to pay the full price for the same addon again, so PMDG didn't get P3D business from me. You can decide the same, or different, and that is your right. I might get the 747 for P3D. We'll see.

Kevin: I found SimBrief alternate choice actually quite smart if sometimes counterintuitive. One of these days I'll ask about it.