HI guy's I wanted to know for those of you that own the sky simulations md-11 package if you had the chance to install the new update for the md-10 and before it starts I'm not comparing it to the pmdg md-11 most of us know every well when it comes to pmdg there one of the best. but I thought it was cool having the md-10 visual model and know its a very light systems plane I do like very much the model itself so far from the photos I have seen, Im a sucker for that stuff! :( to bad we wont see one from pmdg as in expansion anyways please let me know what you think.http://www.skysimulations.com

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by Silverbird

Agreed with you that nothing touches the PMDG version, which like you, I too have both in FS9 and FSX flavours, But before the PMDG version saw daylight, I had already invested in the SkySim MD-11 model. Exterior is superb, interior not up to PMDG in that not every switch, knob,etc modelled. Same goes for the MD-10 in that I discovered that the FMC did not allow any inputs. So I took it off.

Agreed with you that nothing touches the PMDG version, which like you, I too have both in FS9 and FSX flavours, But before the PMDG version saw daylight, I had already invested in the SkySim MD-11 model. Exterior is superb, interior not up to PMDG in that not every switch, knob,etc modelled. Same goes for the MD-10 in that I discovered that the FMC did not allow any inputs. So I took it off.

Thank's Rick kinda sucks they didn't go deeper the Exterior like you said look's fantastic something about the DC-10 MD-11 shape design that I love so much I'm hoping one day a developer brings the good old Dc-10.

Wouldn't it be possible to merge the PMDG MD-11 VC with the Sky Simulations MD-11 and MD-10 models? Sure you lose out on some of the interaction of PMDG panel and model, but it seems like you wouldn't lose out on too much and gain everything. The PMDG MD-11 model isn't very accurate...

Most the high-quality aircraft have a close melding between the panel, fde, and model, trying to "merge"the panel into some other model/fde is almost certainly not going to work :)I own the Sky Sim also, and I've tried to use the MD-10 for some FedEx flying, and it can't even followan ILS glidepath correctly, I find it very frustrating and have fallen back to the CLS DC-10 which at leastcan do that, although the Sky Sim looks tons better inside and out.Anyone on Win 7 64bit that has used it successfully and could give me some magic cure for the problemand I'd be grateful.Cheers,

Most the high-quality aircraft have a close melding between the panel, fde, and model, trying to "merge"the panel into some other model/fde is almost certainly not going to work :)

Not true. It's actually very easy. It's a matter of modifying the model.cfg files, aircraft.cfg files, copying over the VC model, panel and sound folders, and the air file. I have successfully managed to merge the Simcheck A300 and Wilco Airbuses with their respective Thomas Ruth visual models, and back in the FS2004 day I got the Tinmouse 737 to work with the Aerosim 732 model and VC. I also got the PSS777 to work with the POSKY 777 almost flawlessly.By all means, it's possible. You just need to know what you are doing. I'm convinced that merging the Sky Sim exterior model with the PMDG MD-11 VC, panel and FDE is rather easy and can be done by taking "the usual approach". That said, I do not own the Sky Sim MD-11 and as such I can't try this merge, so I can't be sure of what I'm saying here. Just an educated guess. Any really special interaction the panel has with the exterior model will of course be lost, though. I personally don't find that very important if the "new" exterior model is a lot better.

Benjamin, as I too have the PSS777 for FS2004, could you kindly give me a quick lesson in how to merge the PSS with the Posky 777? While awaiting patiently for the due-to-come PMDG T7, thank you in advance

I know how to merge panels, have done it for the CS777 and many times before that, and just becauseyou do the correct cutting and pasting in the config files doesn't mean it all "works", of course one person'sdefinition of 'works' is different from the next.For instance, I use the Aerosim panel/vc with the CS, and although sure the plane will load, and I canperform flight, its still not "right", the N1 is off, it goes into the red, and lots of other little quirks, enoughthat to me its not worth using...However, rather than speculate, I can test it and see :)

However, rather than speculate, I can test it and see :)

Indeed ;)In my opinion, FSX makes things easy for us "mergers", because we can swap out entire virtual cockpits. As such, we get the option of completely leaving out the panel that the exterior model came with, which in turn means there are no two panels of different origins functioning at the same time, conflicting with each other and making flying impossible (functioning at the same time as in VC vs 2D panel). In FSX we can truly take an exterior model and add the rest ourselves. As such, I think the PMDG MD-11 could very well be merged with the Sky Sim MD-11, because we will only swap the exterior model, nothing more than that. The exterior model (usually) doesn't include any code that the panel needs to function, so swapping an exterior model shouldn't be a problem. Moreover, it's often the exterior model that is driven by the panel. You only need to remember to use the aircraft.cfg and FDE of the plane you took the panel from, otherwise the A/P and A/T will get confused...vc10man: Not sure I can do that, sorry... I have used merge instructions, FDE files, texture files and god-knows-what from so many sources that I can't really say what I did use and what I didn't use...

When I've done merges I usually try to retain the FDE and aircraft.conf, and its that where you canrun into panel dependencies. I suppose if I did nothing but import an external graphic object and textures(the model) then it might work..... now you have gotten me curious, will be something to play with this evening after work :Nerd:Will let you know...PS. I only care about the MD-10 (because of virtual FedEx flying), could care less about their MD-11

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by jfv

Thanks, Benjamin.In that case, would it be possible for you to PM me your panel.cfg or would that on its own not work? I downloaded what I thought was a fix from the PSS Forums here, but cannot seem to figure how to go about it.

When I've done merges I usually try to retain the FDE and aircraft.conf, and its that where you canrun into panel dependencies. I suppose if I did nothing but import an external graphic object and textures(the model) then it might work..... now you have gotten me curious, will be something to play with this evening after work :Nerd:Will let you know...PS. I only care about the MD-10 (because of virtual FedEx flying), could care less about their MD-11

That's indeed then where your quirks are mostly coming from, because the A/P and A/T is programmed for a specific value, but is reading a different one from the aircraft.cfg and FDE files. So, when putting the PMDG MD-11 cockpit into the Sky Sim MD-11 model, you should bring over the PMDG's FDE and aircraft.cfg file, and since the PMDG is the great plane it is, you can be pretty sure that you'll only be improving the Sky Sim's FDE, right? For the MD-10 this might be a problem though, because obviously a MD-10 is no MD-11...Rick: Can't do that, I'd be breaching copyright laws... I think I got most of my info from here, though: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/291762-the-ultimate-pss-777-fde-tweak/page__hl__pss%20777%20mergePerhaps that will help? If not, PM me and I'll try to give you some more direct advice.

Understand, Benjamin. Thanks for the PM offer. Worse comes to the worst, if I was patient enough to wait 5 long years for the MD-11, then awaiting the 3rd Q T77 should not prove to be so hard. It's just that I like the PSS T7 so much.

That's indeed then where your quirks are mostly coming from, because the A/P and A/T is programmed for a specific value, but is reading a different one from the aircraft.cfg and FDE files. So, when putting the PMDG MD-11 cockpit into the Sky Sim MD-11 model, you should bring over the PMDG's FDE and aircraft.cfg file, and since the PMDG is the great plane it is, you can be pretty sure that you'll only be improving the Sky Sim's FDE, right? For the MD-10 this might be a problem though, because obviously a MD-10 is no MD-11...

Yes, but of course if you use that FDE/config then its really flying an MD-11 isn't it :) The engines, the weight, the fuel will all be wrong.I messed with it some last night, am trying to work in the other direction, taking the PMDG MD-11F and adjusting it to the stats of an MD-10instead, not yet sure if this will work or not.