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Earlier, yesterday, the BBC reported that in fact a security person near that plane stopped him and ushered him back to the terminal, so not sure how he actually boarded as it was ready to taxi.

Carlos Belt up! As per your previous posts, you seem to have nothing better to do than stir things up. I was replying to Glynn and Julian, so do not need your oar in!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37033281

An interesting discussion here http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-36985862

A word of advice, Andrew. For your own sakes, never ever publicise your order number on a public forum like here. If you have a validation issue, please submit a Support Ticket at http://support.precisionmanuals.com/Main/frmTickets.aspx I'm sure they will sort you out. EDIT: You just beat me to it, Romain.

Brilliant, Peter. Thanks. Having seen one of those at close up courtesy of a USAF friend at base in Nevada, they are awesome.

Thanks for that, Glynn.

Thank heavens I had the foresight to realise that Microsoft would inevitably end up screwing this, and completely turned off letting them Update anything. Now that link mdriskell points to proves I was right to give them a wide berth. I will not install that Anniversary Update until MS gets its act together. Disaster, beginning to end, Microsoft!

Vinod, what part of the differences between Ray's quoted 'nationalities' and 'nationality' (your quote) are you having difficulty with? But as you say, let's move on. :smile: At the end of the day, everybody who de-planed other than the firefighter who sadly lost his life, was safe

So, it is okay to jeopardise other passengers blocking the aisles while they stopped to collect their hand luggage, waste valuable precious time filming, when they should have been heeding the flight attendants' advice and evacuated immediately?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36985168

Jim, my brother is Australia is best friends with a ex-Uni friend of his, an Indian, also called, Manny.

Excellent posts, Karan & Manny. Puts into perspective what I watched in amazement on that Air France, and later on an Air India flight too, upon touching down on Rwy 27 at Mumbai.

And the technical Press is also reporting that MS is thinking of making it subscription-based in future to recoup giving it away to millions for free before the July deadline. It's already got data collecting in place, so could also go down the road of bombarding an end-user with adverts. Question of 'watch this space'.

Just heard the BALPA's flight safety officer, ex-military and commercial pilot, Steve Randell, of 27 years flying experience, point out that during the safety brief prior to departure, the cabin crew do issue instructions on evacuating an aircraft in an emergency, and how a pilot will only issue that command if it is a life and death urgency, and yet, in that video shot from inside that Emirates 777, smoke can clearly be seen entering the cabin. He suggested that mindsets need to be changed. He also stated that he obtains one of those liquid see-through bags and puts his mobile, his CC,and his passport in it and keeps it wih him during T/O and arrival. Ray, I have a job avoiding old ladies in their moto-scooters, never mind young ladies! :wink: :wink:

That's fine, Ray, except when the bloke is 6-foot and built like the proverbials. I find dodging easier for me to make progress on my way. :Black Eye: :Black Eye:

A fair point, Romain, as I too know all about the hassles, not to mention the bribes, needed to get documents, attestations, etc, etc in the countries you mention. And in the Dubai crash I can well understand why they did what they did because the majority of them would have been returning to the UAE for work and as Ian has pointed out, there could be complications for them. But to stand up when a T7 has just touched undercarriage on Rwy 27 at VABB and open lockers to get their hand luggage.................................that was incomprehensible as it could have led to cabin baggage bouncing of pax's heads had the French pilot applied brakes sharply to exit the Rwy. Happens to me each time I go into a major town as I have to side-step out of the way!

Yes, Ray, I remember it so well. And the speed with which that plane was engulfed in flames was unbelievable. Passengers seem to have a misconception that the aircraft is all metal. They don't think of the upholstery combustible materials, or the fuel in the tanks, etc, etc. And you are so spot-on with your observations of today's media devices obsession, as a restaurant/pub has decided to block all wi-fi so that diners can talk to one another and thus create a convivial dining atmosphere instead of heads buried, and just today Ofcom reports about people missing sleep because they are so Net-fixed.

@Perry Are you in a position to comment on what transpired on Rwy 12L at OMDB yesterday?

In fact Ray, that was less than two years ago. It was September 2015, BA 777 fire. And yes, you are right, same modern day behavioural pattern there. Safety-mindedness goes out of the window as the selfish urge to recover hold baggage and thus impede swift de-planing, oblivious that a fire can spread very rapidly and thus imperil their safety and that of their fellow-passengers.

But hope you took advantage of that 'free drink' at least!

Thanks for the correction, Oliver. Explains certain things. Superbly put, Ray

Sadly, Ray, memories have a very short lifespan. But then the behaviour of Indian passengers is nothing short of atrocious. I was once on an Air France 777-200 flight from CDG to Mumbai, and the flight was a bit late arriving into Mumbai, but to the French FA's utter astonishment and mine sat at very rearward seats, we watched Indian passengers standing up and then opening the overhead lockers as soon as we touched down and were in reverse thrust rather than wait till that 772 had reached the jetway. And the cause of this insane behaviour? Because they feared missing onward connections. Never mind that they still had long snaking lines of immigration and customs to go through, then catch a taxi to get to the Domestic Terminal which was across the other side of the International Terminal. That French FA must have lost her voice yelling amidst the commotion trying to get them to desist from standing up and opening the overheads. So, this latest behaviour hardly comes as a surprise to me. Publicity and social media clamour for fame has a lot to answer for.

Because a video shot from inside the plane has just been broadcast on BBC News showing the mainly Indian passengers stopping to collect their overhead luggage totally ignoring Emirates attendants please to head for the exits and the chutes. But then did the same not happen with that BA777 fire in Las Vegas?

According to the BBC, they were making a standard approach into 12L when the ATC ordered them to do a GA. No windshear conditions are being reported. As you so rightly say, Mark, R.I.P. the fireman and sympathies to his family.