Yes for FSX in specific. The button numbers correspond to the hardware switch numbers in Windows joystick calibration.

Rockliffe, on 02 December 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Sure...

 

interesting, so after he went out and bought another warty then...?

 

 

To make it clear: I only bought ONE Warthog, not two.

Robert McDonald

To make it clear: I only bought ONE Warthog, not two.

Robert McDonald

 

:unsure: got it.

 

Yes for FSX in specific. The button numbers correspond to the hardware switch numbers in Windows joystick calibration.

 

i see.

Yes for FSX in specific. The button numbers correspond to the hardware switch numbers in Windows joystick calibration.

 

I noticed that you set up your flap settings on numbers "22 and 23" which is the flaps switch on the throttle unit, can you get the flaps to go in small stages 5,10,20 etc. degrees with this switch?

 

For FLAPS it says on your list:

" FLAPS FULL UP - FLAPS UP - HOLD "

" FLAPS DOWN INCREMENTAL - Flaps DOWN - HOLD "

is this a 3 motion switch? forward, centre and back flip type? if so how do you get the increments in the flaps down actions?

 

Because some assign the flaps on the Throttles Friction Grey slider on the far right centre of the throttle unit. Is there much difference?

 

 

Thanks

What I've done with the flaps is that each backward push of the switch (23) increments the flaps one step more to the max number of steps defined for the aircraft. A forward push of the switch (22) pulls the flaps completely up. The center position of the switch has no function. "HOLD" means that the switch stays in position when actuated.

 

Most of my flying is in MIL aircraft that have minimal flaps settings (some have completely automatic flaps). Flaps/slots for large commercial or MIL transport aircraft may be better assigned to the slider for more intermediate adjustment.

What I've done with the flaps is that each backward push of the switch (23) increments the flaps one step more to the max number of steps defined for the aircraft. A forward push of the switch (22) pulls the flaps completely up. The center position of the switch has no function. "HOLD" means that the switch stays in position when actuated.

 

Most of my flying is in MIL aircraft that have minimal flaps settings (some have completely automatic flaps). Flaps/slots for large commercial or MIL transport aircraft may be better assigned to the slider for more intermediate adjustment.

 

Tox:

 

The 737NGX is a plane that needs a bit of help to slow down on approach for landing, and having finely-adjustable flaps settings goes a long way towards giving you better ability to slow her down for touchdown onto the runway. Most new pilots come in too steeply or too fast (or both) on their final approach for landing, and find themselves struggling to stop the plane before the end of the runway. Using FSUIPC, you can actually set that large grey slider on the right edge of the throttle unit to match the number of flaps available on a given airplane- in my case the 737NGX. I went to the next level and built a sticker-label that shows each flap setting from 0 thru 40 and calibrated it so when the lever is next to one of the flaps settings on the paper label, the aircraft (737NGX) flaps will adjust up or down to match that setting. This is VERY helpful because you have flaps airspeeds which should not be exceeded during flight... thus you are able to 'know' that you're going slow enough to add or increase the flaps...

 

FSUIPC is a great calibration tool - and allows you to set proper "dead zones" on your control surfaces so that you can achieve the correct hardware performance. On the Warty, this is important, as I unchecked the FSUIPC 'dead zone' for the middle of the throttle travel, and use the LIFT UP and PULL FURTHER BACK feature on the Warty to actually engage the reverse thrusters. The Reversers are powered (controlled) by Linda, while the throttle (engine rpms) itself is controlled by FSUIPC. Since other pilots are already using this gear, you can ask for help (as you've done here) to aid you in setting up the Warty.

 

The PMDG attention to detail is incredible, the virtual dials and gauges by and large all function as you would expect in real life - and when you're looking at the plane (especially the cockpit and the outside views) you are at once astounded at how clear and sharp she looks. The nicer your PC and monitor - the better looking this girl gets. Some of the competitor aircraft I've flown are not as well-rendered in terms of graphics imaging (IMHO).

 

Keys to successful flight in the PMDG are:

 

Use a website to determine the required fuel load for your flight and enter it into your virtual FMC when you are setting up your pre-flight routine. Also, the site I use gives you the plane's zero fuel weight and maximum weight along with the correct COST INDEX (C/I) to also be added to your FMC. This will determine your climb rate and performance during your trip. Unless you wildly deviate from the programmed flight profile, you should reach your destination with the desired 5000 lbs of 'reserve fuel' still in your tanks - not more and not less. By not overloading your plane with fuel for your planned trip, you will be able to climb more rapidly and will gain added maneuverability during landing. A very loaded plane is harder to take off and land with, so especially for a new pilot, having your fuel and payload properly set up in your FMC will make for a better flight experience.

 

In the next few weeks I hope to shoot a short tutorial aimed at the newer PMDG 737NGX pilots to help get them find their comfort zone. One feature many of us love on the NGX is the drop-down HUGS (heads up guidance System) which has a pair of concentric circles you use during final approach to stay on the glideslope. If you get accustomed to the HUGS, you can use it along with your PFD (Primary Flight Display) on the instrument panel to make sure your plane is on the correct descent plane (not too steep and not too shallow) and you should be at the proper place at touchdown in relation to the runway threshold. The image below shows the PFD. The magenta diamond along the right edge and another below the bottom edge are used to center your plane on the glideslope during approach. Combining this instrument with the HUGS device will have you landing more smoothly and shorten the learning curve considerably.

 

Nick Collet made a nice overall tour video of the NGX which shows off some of the stunning detail that is part and parcel of this airplane. At 1:01:45 of the video, Nick comments on the HUGS display unit and you can get a bird's eye preview of this great feature that comes with the PMDG NGX.

 

Put the NGX together with the Warty- and I think you'll be a better pilot - and for sure a very happy one!

One website for fuel planning is AeroTexas.com. This free service calculates your correct fuel load by aircraft type and can handle the iFly and PMDG 737s specifically, as well as many other sim airplanes. Give it a look! I liked it well enough to add it to my web browser home pages, I run it and print a load-out sheet prior to EVERY FSX flight.

 

(Works great on the NGX :wub: )

Thanks Robert for the reverse thruster tip!!

:rolleyes: You're welcome!

What I've done with the flaps is that each backward push of the switch (23) increments the flaps one step more to the max number of steps defined for the aircraft. A forward push of the switch (22) pulls the flaps completely up. The center position of the switch has no function. "HOLD" means that the switch stays in position when actuated.

 

Most of my flying is in MIL aircraft that have minimal flaps settings (some have completely automatic flaps). Flaps/slots for large commercial or MIL transport aircraft may be better assigned to the slider for more intermediate adjustment.

 

 

Thanks for that info,

so basically if your aircraft's flaps can stretch from 0 to 3, 6 or 8 in increments, you can push back on this switch (23) to reach the planes maximum settings in increment stages?

 

The reason i like the flaps switch (23) is because its positioned and made for that job. But if all fails we have the grey slider to fall back on. I know Robert uses this slider and he is very happy with its functions.

 

Tox:

 

The 737NGX is a plane that needs a bit of help to slow down on approach for landing, and having finely-adjustable flaps settings goes a long way towards giving you better ability to slow her down for touchdown onto the runway. Most new pilots come in too steeply or too fast (or both) on their final approach for landing, and find themselves struggling to stop the plane before the end of the runway. Using FSUIPC, you can actually set that large grey slider on the right edge of the throttle unit to match the number of flaps available on a given airplane- in my case the 737NGX. I went to the next level and built a sticker-label that shows each flap setting from 0 thru 40 and calibrated it so when the lever is next to one of the flaps settings on the paper label, the aircraft (737NGX) flaps will adjust up or down to match that setting. This is VERY helpful because you have flaps airspeeds which should not be exceeded during flight... thus you are able to 'know' that you're going slow enough to add or increase the flaps...

 

FSUIPC is a great calibration tool - and allows you to set proper "dead zones" on your control surfaces so that you can achieve the correct hardware performance. On the Warty, this is important, as I unchecked the FSUIPC 'dead zone' for the middle of the throttle travel, and use the LIFT UP and PULL FURTHER BACK feature on the Warty to actually engage the reverse thrusters. The Reversers are powered (controlled) by Linda, while the throttle (engine rpms) itself is controlled by FSUIPC. Since other pilots are already using this gear, you can ask for help (as you've done here) to aid you in setting up the Warty.

 

The PMDG attention to detail is incredible, the virtual dials and gauges by and large all function as you would expect in real life - and when you're looking at the plane (especially the cockpit and the outside views) you are at once astounded at how clear and sharp she looks. The nicer your PC and monitor - the better looking this girl gets. Some of the competitor aircraft I've flown are not as well-rendered in terms of graphics imaging (IMHO).

 

Keys to successful flight in the PMDG are:

 

Use a website to determine the required fuel load for your flight and enter it into your virtual FMC when you are setting up your pre-flight routine. Also, the site I use gives you the plane's zero fuel weight and maximum weight along with the correct COST INDEX (C/I) to also be added to your FMC. This will determine your climb rate and performance during your trip. Unless you wildly deviate from the programmed flight profile, you should reach your destination with the desired 5000 lbs of 'reserve fuel' still in your tanks - not more and not less. By not overloading your plane with fuel for your planned trip, you will be able to climb more rapidly and will gain added maneuverability during landing. A very loaded plane is harder to take off and land with, so especially for a new pilot, having your fuel and payload properly set up in your FMC will make for a better flight experience.

 

In the next few weeks I hope to shoot a short tutorial aimed at the newer PMDG 737NGX pilots to help get them find their comfort zone. One feature many of us love on the NGX is the drop-down HUGS (heads up guidance System) which has a pair of concentric circles you use during final approach to stay on the glideslope. If you get accustomed to the HUGS, you can use it along with your PFD (Primary Flight Display) on the instrument panel to make sure your plane is on the correct descent plane (not too steep and not too shallow) and you should be at the proper place at touchdown in relation to the runway threshold. The image below shows the PFD. The magenta diamond along the right edge and another below the bottom edge are used to center your plane on the glideslope during approach. Combining this instrument with the HUGS device will have you landing more smoothly and shorten the learning curve considerably.

 

Nick Collet made a nice overall tour video of the NGX which shows off some of the stunning detail that is part and parcel of this airplane. At 1:01:45 of the video, Nick comments on the HUGS display unit and you can get a bird's eye preview of this great feature that comes with the PMDG NGX.

 

Put the NGX together with the Warty- and I think you'll be a better pilot - and for sure a very happy one!

 

Thank you for this great post Robert, i checked out the link as well some great info there too.

This has turned into quite the epic thread, Tox! I get a kick out of some of the negative comments about the Warthog, as in "it's not a yoke" and the throttles are on the WRONG SIDE (left handed) which is TRUE ENOUGH. What I think some folks seem to be missing is the overall experience you get with this (for the price point that it costs you) is incredible and quite amazing!

 

I know Word Not Allowed paid all the money and got the PFC Saab yoke, and then tore into it and modified it to suit his own taste! Incredibly brave! I looked into the PFC gear a while ago, and while it's definitely quite the realistic kit, it is also definitely a LOT of money.

 

Even though the split throttles on the Warty are on the "wrong side" if you are flying in the captain's position and in a Boeing 737 (or other Boeing)- I still truly believe the quality of the Warthog more than offsets any compromises with "real world" cockpits.

 

Sure, we'd all be flying a Level D Simulator (Did you know full-motion simulators used by Quantas cost $23 Million USD for the SIMULATOR?? Now THAT's something Word Not Allowed should put on his Christmas wish list and mail to Santa, yeah? Actually that's a great price, considering a new Boeing 787 Dreamliner is about $209 Million, and the 747 Jumbo sticker price is about $290 Million! They have great resale value though, and they also have an incredible standard warranty!

 

Since I'm just about $22.99999 Million short of the price tag of the full-motion 'realistic as hell' simulator, I have 'made do' with the Warthog and loving every moment in the air. As Howard said, the smooth as glass throttle and the heavy-duty build quality are just outstanding, no question.

 

You won't know until you buy it - but I know many of us here at Avsim wrestled and anguished over the cost of the Warthog - and forgot our worries the very moment we slid our new toy out of the package!

 

YES, it works fine with the PMDG 737NGX - I can personally attest. YES, you DO have to do some work setting it up and calibrating it. YES, you DO need to buy a separate rudder pedal set as the stick on the Warty does not "rotate from side to side". I think Thrustmaster felt if you can afford the Warthog, you're not going to blink when it comes to rudder pedals. The Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals are golden and not crazy expensive. They are 'metal' footplates and more rugged than their lower end rudder set.

I know many of us here at Avsim wrestled and anguished over the cost of the Warthog - and forgot our worries the very moment we slid our new toy out of the package!

 

Hee hee, I remember doing that grin thing... the minute I opened the box, all of a sudden found I was grinning from ear to ear!

This has turned into quite the epic thread, Tox! I get a kick out of some of the negative comments about the Warthog, as in "it's not a yoke" and the throttles are on the WRONG SIDE (left handed) which is TRUE ENOUGH. What I think some folks seem to be missing is the overall experience you get with this (for the price point that it costs you) is incredible and quite amazing!

 

I know Word Not Allowed paid all the money and got the PFC Saab yoke, and then tore into it and modified it to suit his own taste! Incredibly brave! I looked into the PFC gear a while ago, and while it's definitely quite the realistic kit, it is also definitely a LOT of money.

 

Even though the split throttles on the Warty are on the "wrong side" if you are flying in the captain's position and in a Boeing 737 (or other Boeing)- I still truly believe the quality of the Warthog more than offsets any compromises with "real world" cockpits.

 

Sure, we'd all be flying a Level D Simulator (Did you know full-motion simulators used by Quantas cost $23 Million USD for the SIMULATOR?? Now THAT's something Word Not Allowed should put on his Christmas wish list and mail to Santa, yeah? Actually that's a great price, considering a new Boeing 787 Dreamliner is about $209 Million, and the 747 Jumbo sticker price is about $290 Million! They have great resale value though, and they also have an incredible standard warranty!

 

Since I'm just about $22.99999 Million short of the price tag of the full-motion 'realistic as hell' simulator, I have 'made do' with the Warthog and loving every moment in the air. As Howard said, the smooth as glass throttle and the heavy-duty build quality are just outstanding, no question.

 

You won't know until you buy it - but I know many of us here at Avsim wrestled and anguished over the cost of the Warthog - and forgot our worries the very moment we slid our new toy out of the package!

 

YES, it works fine with the PMDG 737NGX - I can personally attest. YES, you DO have to do some work setting it up and calibrating it. YES, you DO need to buy a separate rudder pedal set as the stick on the Warty does not "rotate from side to side". I think Thrustmaster felt if you can afford the Warthog, you're not going to blink when it comes to rudder pedals. The Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals are golden and not crazy expensive. They are 'metal' footplates and more rugged than their lower end rudder set.

 

 

You know what, I am actually enjoying my thread with all the outstanding comments, course i love the positive ones best B)

 

But nevertheless everyone has a freedom of Speech and TASTE... :t0101:

 

The more i research and read reviews + comments on the warty, the more i am justifying the T.H.Warty's reasonable price tag. If i wanted a REAL Realistic cockpit i would have become a pilot in real life flying some real planes, but i am not so luck in that department, maybe in my next life... :Angel: So i will have to do with the next best thing T.H.WARTHOG.

 

About the left / right hand usage with the joystick, i am a right hander so it suits me better because i can handle things more preciously, left hand joystick control is like upside down movement for me it will be very hard to switch my brain. :p0129:

 

 

i added some gfx above to reflect my feelings more

:Peace:

Hee hee, I remember doing that grin thing... the minute I opened the box, all of a sudden found I was grinning from ear to ear!

 

Yes, indeed! Of all the items on my flight deck I've purchased to date, the Warthog is the one single thing that I would NEVER give up! It was the 'beginning' of the migration towards "as real as it gets" - and like your first-born child, shall therefore always be something special in the air! Wait, isn't that an airline slogan? :wub:

 

The more i research and read reviews + comments on the warty, the more i am justifying the T.H.Warty's reasonable price tag. If i wanted a REAL Realistic cockpit i would have become a pilot in real life flying some real planes, but i am not so luck in that department, maybe in my next life... So i will have to do with the next best thing T.H.WARTHOG.

 

About the left / right hand usage with the joystick, i am a right hander so it suits me better because i can handle things more preciously, left hand joystick control is like upside down movement for me it will be very hard to switch my brain.

 

You could do worse things, Tox! We've all been where you are now - my first joystick was a plastic one- and once I got the TM Warty, I just felt completely different about flying and about my simulation experience. It's a game-changer, no question.

 

I totally agree with your comments about it 'fits your mind's eye' - as a right-hander myself, I prefer the throttles to the left and the joystick to the right,

 

I'm working hard to save up for the precision flight controls' Boeing Yoke with Hall Effect Sensor $150 option, it's only $1000 MORE than the Warty (approximately $1470 as quoted on their website).

 

That's not happening anytime soon, though, because I'd STILL need to buy a throttle quadrant to boot, plus I'd need a different set of rudder pedals. All told probably set me back close to three thousand Samolians. Even without a nagging wife (I traded mine in on a new set of golf clubs), I can't justify that kind of expense...

 

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