November 22, 201213 yr Looks to me like your trying to straighten out a plate of spaghetti. Good to see you got it under control! Seems like to me that 99% of all CTD's are user error, poor computer config, and bad installs.
November 22, 201213 yr Author Ha, yes it does feel like that. Honestly, 6 weeks ago I was like a kid at Christmas, building a new FSX rig, splashing the cash, it was amazing. I've spent the last 2 weeks pulling my hair out with it. BUT i think I'm getting somewhere...and without the need for tens of hours of uninstalling and reinstalling. More positive news Jim - I've re-enabled my XMP and set the frequency of the RAM to 18.66, and I still can't make the thing crash no matter what I throw at it. So that leaves the CPU overclock as the culprit. So I guess it's back to square one with that. I guess the way to approach it is to do it very gradually, increasing the voltage as necessary and then lots of stress testing. And when I get to a point where FSX is crashing on me again, going back to the last point at which it was stable? Thanks Martin
November 23, 201213 yr Should I turn it ON and see if that works? As I said before the XMP profile is the best for your installed memory as it provides the highest voltages and higher frequencies/timings. In other words, you're getting the most out of the product you bought. Just make sure the DRAM voltage is at 1.65v. More positive news Jim - I've re-enabled my XMP and set the frequency of the RAM to 18.66, and I still can't make the thing crash no matter what I throw at it. Great news for sure as it looks like postive progress is being made. So that leaves the CPU overclock as the culprit. I suspect you kept it at the default 3.4GHz and now you want to bump it up to the highest overclock possible and still maintain stability? Just put 100 in the BCLK frequency. Then in the By All Cores start out with 44 or, if you want go on up to 48. Enable your PLL overvoltage. Disable EUP Power Saving. Now I have an ASUS board and you have the Gigabyte board the the BIOS are basically the same. Under DIGI+VRM: Load-line Calibration - Ultra High VRM Freq - Manual VRM Fixed Freq Mode - 350 Phase Control - Extreme Duty Control - T.Probe CPU Current Capability - 130% CPU Voltage - Manual Mode CPU Manual Voltage - 1.400 DRAM Voltage - 1.65000 VCCSA Voltage - Auto VCCIO Voltage - Auto CPU PLL Voltage - Auto PCH Voltage - Auto All the DRAM Voltage on CHA - Auto all the way down CPU Spread Spectrum - Auto CPU Power Management CPU Ratio - Auto Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Tech - Enabled Turbo Mode - Enabled Turbo Mode Parameters - All auto CPU Configuration CPU Ratio - Auto Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor - Enabled Hyper-threading - Disabled Active Processor Cores - All Limit CPUID Max - Enabled Execute Disable Bit - Enabled CPU C1E (all auto - C1, C3, C6 Intel Virtualization Tech - Enabled And that should be it! You may or may not have the same parameters in your bios but don't be concerned if you don't. I see your BIOS can be overclocked automatically by the Gigabyte program. ASUS had that too. When I set mine automatically, my system crashed. My system became stable with my own overclock settings. Don't think you can use the automatically overclock program anyway with the XMP profile. Take things slow. If you get a crash at 4.8 or higher, your system is unstable and you'll need to lower the clock to 4.6 or 4.4. (But then you knew that! LOL!). Good luck! Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
November 23, 201213 yr Author As I said before the XMP profile is the best for your installed memory as it provides the highest voltages and higher frequencies/timings. In other words, you're getting the most out of the product you bought. Just make sure the DRAM voltage is at 1.65v. Great news for sure as it looks like postive progress is being made. I suspect you kept it at the default 3.4GHz and now you want to bump it up to the highest overclock possible and still maintain stability? Just put 100 in the BCLK frequency. Then in the By All Cores start out with 44 or, if you want go on up to 48. Enable your PLL overvoltage. Disable EUP Power Saving. Now I have an ASUS board and you have the Gigabyte board the the BIOS are basically the same. Under DIGI+VRM: Load-line Calibration - Ultra High VRM Freq - Manual VRM Fixed Freq Mode - 350 Phase Control - Extreme Duty Control - T.Probe CPU Current Capability - 130% CPU Voltage - Manual Mode CPU Manual Voltage - 1.400 DRAM Voltage - 1.65000 VCCSA Voltage - Auto VCCIO Voltage - Auto CPU PLL Voltage - Auto PCH Voltage - Auto All the DRAM Voltage on CHA - Auto all the way down CPU Spread Spectrum - Auto CPU Power Management CPU Ratio - Auto Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Tech - Enabled Turbo Mode - Enabled Turbo Mode Parameters - All auto CPU Configuration CPU Ratio - Auto Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor - Enabled Hyper-threading - Disabled Active Processor Cores - All Limit CPUID Max - Enabled Execute Disable Bit - Enabled CPU C1E (all auto - C1, C3, C6 Intel Virtualization Tech - Enabled And that should be it! You may or may not have the same parameters in your bios but don't be concerned if you don't. I see your BIOS can be overclocked automatically by the Gigabyte program. ASUS had that too. When I set mine automatically, my system crashed. My system became stable with my own overclock settings. Don't think you can use the automatically overclock program anyway with the XMP profile. Take things slow. If you get a crash at 4.8 or higher, your system is unstable and you'll need to lower the clock to 4.6 or 4.4. (But then you knew that! LOL!). Good luck! Best regards, Jim Thanks for all you help Jim. Now that I know the problem was an incorrectly configured overclock I'm a LOT happier knowing I'm not going to have to go through hell removing and reinstalling everything! I will be spending some time over the weekend trying to get my overclock done properly and get it stable and crash free! Will let you know how I get on! Cheers Martin
November 23, 201213 yr Hi Martin, You're welcome! If you need info on overclocking, there's a lot of friendly people down in the Hardware Forum here. Pinned at the top are several examples of successful configurations. Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
November 23, 201213 yr Author Jim OK so today I tried upping my frequency to 44 and upping the vcore to 1.35 Fire up fsx, load my "stress test" flight and BAM Faulting application name: fsx.exe, version: 10.0.61472.0, time stamp: 0x475e17d3 Faulting module name: g2d.dll, version: 10.0.61472.0, time stamp: 0x475e180c Exception code: 0xc0000005 Fault offset: 0x0004374b Faulting process id: 0xfb4 Faulting application start time: 0x01cdc97812316176 Faulting application path: C:\FSX\fsx.exe Faulting module path: C:\FSX\g2d.dll Report Id: 3abcc8e3-356c-11e2-8b62-902b345949d4 So, does this mean I need to aim for a lower overclock than 4.4Ghz? Thanks Martin
November 23, 201213 yr Author Jim UPDATE - I've (somehow - fingers crossed!!) managed to get it back up to 4.4Ghz, stable during FSX. Hooray. I'm stopping here lol. Question, during some intense FSX testing I registered a max temp on the 4 cores of 62, 72, 76 and 71. Are these safe temps? Thanks Martin
November 23, 201213 yr during some intense FSX testing I registered a max temp on the 4 cores of 62, 72, 76 and 71. Are these safe temps? Centigrade or faurenheit? Even in Centigrade they look okay. I did some searching and I could find nothing definitive even from Intel. Most of the topics I read said 100 degrees C is the max. That's hot! I believe there are things built into the CPU to shut it down if cooling fails. You have the same Noctua cooler I have so you should have no problems. I have my system oc at 4.4GHz and it runs fsx very well. I hope yours continues to run stable too. Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
November 23, 201213 yr Author Thanks Jim, that's centigrade. So far so good on stability, hopefully this weekend I'll actually be able to do some actual flying and not just sat at my desk pulling my hair out So i'll let you know! Thanks Martin
November 23, 201213 yr not just sat at my desk pulling my hair out LOL! Been there, did that.... Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
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