Hi,

I don't understand anything about defragmanting, i have OO defrag 16 trial version and i don't know what to do.

Is there any tutorial who can help me ?

 

I read Nickn's tutorial but it's not the same version of OO defrag, things are very different ...

 

thanks

Nobody knows how to defragment ??

I thought that everybody do that and it is indispensable ?

Don't defrag if using an SSD.

 

Other than that basically what you want to do is defrag by Name... This way the program will organize files in alphabetical order for faster access. Also, there should be an option somewhere to move "high performance" FSX files to the outer platters... For this you'd go into options and select as a minimum the FSX scenery files and mark them as high performance.

 

I use Ultimate Defrag which does the same thing...

I have SSD too, but i used Nick's guide and O&O before. What is so different in v16? You should have all options there, just search in user manual.

Or better still... Ignore all the pseudo science, regard fancy defrag tools as snake oil, and just use the windows defrag.

 

After extensive testing a few years ago, myself and friends came to the conclusion that any performance benefits you "think" you experience are all in the mind.

 

Yes, many of you O&O fans will disagree, some will be irritated some will be damned annoyed that I've said this, angst is the inevitable outcome when anyone disputes the efficacy of such products.

 

I won't be commenting further so take it or leave it, agree or disagree, I don't mind. My opinion is here for you to reject or accept, I don’t mind which.

 

Feel free to berate me.

 

Scepticism is the tool that enables you to travel safely through life.

 

And a merry Christmas and prosperous [and sceptical] new year to you all. :smile:

I don't recall the Windows defragger having options for where to move files around the platter? And really any options at all. It isn't just a myth that putting more frequently accessed files on the outer platters increases performance. There's facts to back this up if you look in the right places.

It isn't just a myth that putting more frequently accessed files on the outer platters increases performance. There's facts to back this up if you look in the right places.

 

I said I wouldn't comment, but I can't resist. I'll probably regret it, because for some reason people get very emotional about this subject. I don't mean you, I'm anticipating the response of others.

 

Show me "definitive" evidence. :smile:

 

And I mean "independent" research by "many" reputable, technically qualified reserachers that suggests that a "significant" benefit is realised. Not just one article, one review, or a handful of anecdotal reports.

 

Don't forget, you can find research to demonstrate almost anything, but science doesn't regard research as definitive unless it is replicated, repeatable, verified... and neither should we in regard to our mere hobby. We humans are too easily fooled.

 

If you can do that, then I will try O&O or any other defrag program you recommend.

 

But at this point in time, after trying these 3rd party defrag utilities many times... I have yet to objectively confirm any improvement over the standard windows defrag what so ever.

 

Convince me otherwise. :smile:

I recommend Google

I said I wouldn't comment, but I can't resist. I'll probably regret it, because for some reason people get very emotional about this subject. I don't mean you, I'm anticipating the response of others.

 

Show me "definitive" evidence. :smile:

 

And I mean "independent" research by "many" reputable, technically qualified reserachers that suggests that a "significant" benefit is realised. Not just one article, one review, or a handful of anecdotal reports.

 

Don't forget, you can find research to demonstrate almost anything, but science doesn't regard research as definitive unless it is replicated, repeatable, verified... and neither should we in regard to our mere hobby. We humans are too easily fooled.

 

If you can do that, then I will try O&O or any other defrag program you recommend.

 

But at this point in time, after trying these 3rd party defrag utilities many times... I have yet to objectively confirm any improvement over the standard windows defrag what so ever.

 

Convince me otherwise. :smile:

 

What if you share your findings Martin? Just asking. Actually I agree with you. I stutter-tested SSD vs Caviar Green that I happened to not bother defraggin for ages since it was my mass storage drive, and saw no significant difference, but would be cool to know what you're test where about and your conclusions too

 

The thing is that FSX apparently accesses (like many other apps) files in small chunks, so even if a file is fragmented in 4 or 5 pieces, most of the small accesses are still sequential

I recommend Google

 

It's your claim, your claim that such utilities are very beneficial, thus it's your responsibility to prove that claim. That was the claim "you" have made in this thead. I've come along and said "prove it". Can you? I've seen nothing on google or anywhere else by multiple "independent, non biased, technically qualified rresearchers that suggests such a thing.

 

Remember, companies that make such software do so for one reason, to make money.

What if you share your findings Martin?

 

I have! My finding is that such utilities are unecessary, i was unable to demonstrate any improvement. The details of tests I conducted and three other friends conducted are 4 years old. So no longer available. They wouldn't be useful anyway, as they were tests conducted by a few amateurs not experts, not in accordance with any recognised protocols and too small a sample to be definitive. Thus there is no proof of my claims and no proof of my opponents claims

 

If neither of us can provide definitve evidence then no one can claim 3rd party defrag utillites provide significant benefit "without doubt".

 

The thing is that FSX apparently accesses (like many other apps) files in small chunks, so even if a file is fragmented in 4 or 5 pieces, most of the small accesses are still sequential

 

Yes, I read something similar. In fact Microsoft's technical site concludes that defragging is useful, but no where near as essential as many believe.

 

I must say it staggers me that some individuals defrag many times per week, applying unnecessary wear to their hard drives. Some people are lucky that modern hard drives have a reasonable lifespan.

I have! My finding is that such utilities are unecessary, i was unable to demonstrate any improvement. The details of tests I conducted and three other friends conducted are 4 years old. So no longer available. They wouldn't be useful anyway, as they were tests conducted by a few amateurs not experts, not in accordance with any recognised protocols and too small a sample to be definitive. Thus there is no proof of my claims and no proof of my opponents claims

 

If neither of us can provide definitve evidence then no one can claim 3rd party defrag utillites provide significant benefit "without doubt".

 

It's all good. I'm by no means an expert neither have ever claimed to be so. Just curious as to what methodology & software was used, and what testing approach you took. Mine was restricted to stutters, nothing about load times which may benefit from a non fragmented HDD or an FSX install in the outer section of the drive. But to be honest I highly doubt it would make too much of a difference, especially compared to current SSD's and considering that a lot of the factors involved in FSX load times are related to the CPU speed and core count.

 

I must say it staggers me that some individuals defrag many times per week, applying unnecessary wear to their hard drives. Some people are lucky that modern hard drives have a reasonable lifespan.

 

So true. You can't blame them though. FSX is such a dog, and peeps so often experiment performance issues that they will try anything to fix them

I was unable to find the article I read before... For now you'll have to stick to your guns I guess ^_^

:smile: One article you see. Which wouldn't be sufficient. I saw an article not long ago that said greasy chips were good for the heart, and that salt lowers blood pressure. :biggrin:

 

You can find "articles" that tell you anything.

 

We won't know for sure until those with the technical qualifications to do so, generate many studies that demonstrate a positive benefit. A benefit that's reproducible, a proven significant benefit.

 

But... if you're happy that you haven't wasted any money and that the said product is of benefit for you, then fair enough.

 

Hope I've made you aware of the benefit of scepticism though.