I posted an earlier question about shimmering and Land Detail Textures and one response indicated that the problem I was showing was not DX10 shimmering.

 

Here is a higher resolution screen grab of a flight over Harbor Island between Elliott Bay and KBFI. FSX is running with ORBX Pacific Northwest scenery, GEX, UTX, REX. FSX generates 23 - 28 FPS as shown here.

 

- Does this picture show "shimmering" or is this some other DX10 problem?

 

The effect is only noticed in the tiles immediately under the aircraft. All other textures are sharp and clear. I see no problems with fences, runways, or clouds.

 

FSX is running DX10 with Land Detail Textures checked on - removing the check mark makes the illustrated problem go away

 

Here are the other graphics settings:

 

[GRAPHICS]

HIGHMEMFIX=1 // KOSTAS 8/13/12

D3D10=1

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1024

NUM_LIGHTS=8

AIRCRAFT_SHADOWS=0

AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1

COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1

LANDING_LIGHTS=0

AC_SELF_SHADOW=0

EFFECTS_QUALITY=2

GROUND_SHADOWS=0

TEXTURE_QUALITY=3

IMAGE_QUALITY=0

See_Self=1

Text_Scroll=1

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED_10=1693500672

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED=1693500672

 

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=40

UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=30

WideViewAspect=True

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=.3 //adjust values to suit your scale

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=.3

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=.3

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=.3

[Main]

FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.66 // ADDED 8/13/12 Default is 0.33

 

[TERRAIN]

LOD_RADIUS=4.500000

MESH_COMPLEXITY=97

MESH_RESOLUTION=24

TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=27

AUTOGEN_DENSITY=2

DETAIL_TEXTURE=1

WATER_EFFECTS=5

This is the "black dots" issue and not the shimmering one. I have ATI HD6850 and I had the same problem until in the Catalyst Control Center (CCC) I turn mipmaps to OFF and the black dots disappear!

I hope this fix work for you too :smile:

Could you post your complete cfg file? The first thing I see is that you are not using a bufferpool setting of any kind and second you FFTF is way too high.

 

Jamie Moses

Yup Mipmaps, and like Jamie says - BP is waaaaaay too high..

"The first thing I see is that you are not using a bufferpool setting of any kind and second you FFTF is way too high."

 

I changed FFTF to 0.33 then 0.22 and it makes NO difference in the image

 

I have done a lot of experiments with BP on/off and various values in between. Using NO Buffer Pools seems to give the best frame rate with no loss of image quality on MY particular system.

 

I did turn BP back on and it makes no difference in the image.

 

"I turn mipmaps to OFF and the black dots disappear!"

"Yup Mipmaps, and like Jamie says - BP is waaaaaay too high."

 

HOW do change/manipulate Mipmaps?

I find nothing in nVidia Inspector regarding Mipmaps

Is there some obscure fsx.cfg control line for Mipmaps? e.g. TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP ?

Try this [bufferPools] UsePools=0 in graphics section and try.10 for FFTF. This works very well with my setup. Also, What are your scenery settings,and are you running high traffic settings? We could help out more if we could see your complete cfg file. Hope this helps.

 

Jamie Moses

From what I understand, you are never supposed to use DX10 in FSX. It is a preview version only.

 

Please see this post here: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/324786-nvidia-configuration-guide-inspector-2xxxx-drivers-version-20-explanations-of-all-settings/

Here is a screen grab with DX10/Detailed Land Textures checked on and the associated settings;

 

Following is the fsx.cfg that was used to start FSX:

 

 

[bUFFERPOOLS]

UsePools=0

[GRAPHICS]

HIGHMEMFIX=1 // KOSTAS 8/13/12

D3D10=1

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=2048

NUM_LIGHTS=8

AIRCRAFT_SHADOWS=0

AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1

COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1

LANDING_LIGHTS=0

AC_SELF_SHADOW=0

EFFECTS_QUALITY=2

GROUND_SHADOWS=0

TEXTURE_QUALITY=3

IMAGE_QUALITY=0

See_Self=1

Text_Scroll=1

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED_10=1693500672

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED=1693500672

[sOUND]

AmbientUIMusicVolume=-6.000000

SOUND_FADER1=0.750000

SOUND_FADER2=0.730000

SOUND_FADER3=0.500000

SOUND_FADER4=0.960000

AmbientUIMusic=FSX01

PrimaryDevice={DEF00000-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}

VoiceDevice={DEF00002-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}

SOUND=1

SOUND_QUALITY=2

SOUND_LOD=0

UISound=0

AmbientUI=0

[Display]

ChangeTime=4.000000

TransitionTime=4.000000

ActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255

ActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=0,28,140,64

NonActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255

NonActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=24,33,87,64

InfoUpperRightTextColor=255,0,0

InfoUpperRightBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0

InfoLowerLeftTextColor=255,255,255

InfoLowerLeftBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128

InfoLowerRightTextColor=255,255,255

InfoLowerRightBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128

InfoBrakesEnable=True

InfoParkingBrakesEnable=True

InfoPauseEnable=True

InfoSlewEnable=True

InfoStallEnable=True

InfoOverspeedEnable=True

BLOOM_EFFECTS=0

SKINNED_ANIMATIONS=1

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=40

UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=30

WideViewAspect=True

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=.3 //adjust values to suit your scale

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=.3

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=.3

RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=.3

[Main]

//FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.66 // ADDED 8/13/12 Default is 0.33

FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.1 // reset 12/31/11 per AVSIM advice

User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter

SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes

SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft

SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles

SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats

SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals

SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc

ProcSpeed=11493

PerfBucket=7

Location=-4,-4,1684,1054,\\.\DISPLAY1

Maximized=2

HideMenuNormal=0

HideMenuFullscreen=1

[PANELS]

IMAGE_QUALITY=1

DEFAULT_VIEW=0

QUICKTIPS=1

PANEL_OPACITY=100

PANEL_MASKING=1

PANEL_STRETCHING=1

UNITS_OF_MEASURE=0

[Weather]

WindshieldPrecipitationEffects=1

MinGustTime=10

MaxGustTime=500

MinGustRampSpeed=1

MaxGustRampSpeed=200

MinVarTime=5

MaxVarTime=50

MinVarRampSpeed=10

MaxVarRampSpeed=75

TurbulenceScale=1.000000

WeatherServerAddress=fs2k.zone.com

WeatherServerPort=80

WeatherGraphDataInDialog=0

AdjustForMagVarInDialog=1

DynamicWeather=0

DownloadWindsAloft=0

DisableTurbulence=0

CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=6

DETAILED_CLOUDS=1

CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=7

THERMAL_VISUALS=0

[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS.0]

Mode=1680x1050x32

TriLinear=1

[AccelerationPack]

ControlsFirstRun=0

HomePageFirstRun=0

[CONTROLS]

Controls_Default=Standard

Controls_Current=Standard

KBDAIL=64

KBDELEV=64

KBDRUD=64

[TextInfo.1]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6

[TextInfo.2]

FrameRate=1,1

LockedFrameRate=1,2

GForce=1,3

FuelPercentage=1,4

[TextInfo.3]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6

FrameRate=2,1

LockedFrameRate=2,2

GForce=2,3

FuelPercentage=2,4

[slewTextInfo.1]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

[slewTextInfo.2]

FrameRate=1,1

LockedFrameRate=1,2

[slewTextInfo.3]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

FrameRate=2,1

LockedFrameRate=2,2

 

Missing Trusted Section

 

[DynamicHeadMovement]

LonAccelOnHeadLon=-0.020000

LonAccelOnHeadPitch=-0.010000

RollAccelOnHeadLat=0.010000

YawAccelOnHeadLat=-0.100000

RollAccelOnHeadRoll=0.100000

MaxHeadAngle=5.000000

MaxHeadOffset=0.300000

HeadMoveTimeConstant=1.000000

[VirtualCopilot]

VirtualCopilotActive=1

[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS.1]

Mode=1280x1024x32

[uSERINTERFACE]

OpenATCOnCreate=0

PageID=1

ShowAllACPaintSchemes=1

SelectAircraftManufacturer=All

SelectAircraftPublisher=All

SelectAircraftType=All

SHOW_MISSION_CAPTIONS=0

PAUSE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0

PROMPT_ON_EXIT=1

Map_Orientation=2

DisplayFuelAsWeight=0

SITUATION=c:\users\administrator\documents\flight simulator x files\Benchmark 2 Baron 58 West Point KBFI KSEA S50.FLT

[MAPVIEW_MAP]

SHOW_AIRPORTS=1

SHOW_VORS=1

SHOW_NDBS=1

SHOW_APPROACHES=1

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=1

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=0

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=0

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=0

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=0

SHOW_DATATAGS=0

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

show_flight_history=0

[ATC]

ShowATCText=1

COMM_MSG_NONE_COLOR=FFFFFFFF

COMM_MSG_ATC_USER_COLOR=FFB6FFB6

COMM_MSG_USER_ATC_COLOR=FFFFD21B

COMM_MSG_ATC_AI_COLOR=FF00FF00

COMM_MSG_AI_ATC_COLOR=FFFF7840

AutoOpenAirTrafficWindow=1

UsePilotVoice=1

PilotVoice=0

[PointOfInterestSystem]

CycleSetting=0

[sCENERY]

LENSFLARE=0

DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1

IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5

[TrafficManager]

AirlineDensity=0

GADensity=0

FreewayDensity=0

ShipsAndFerriesDensity=0

LeisureBoatsDensity=2

IFROnly=0

AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0

[TERRAIN]

LOD_RADIUS=4.500000

MESH_COMPLEXITY=97

MESH_RESOLUTION=24

TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=27

AUTOGEN_DENSITY=3

DETAIL_TEXTURE=1

WATER_EFFECTS=5

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=2500 // Dec 31 2012 fpr TreeX 2.0 addon

[AContain]

ShowLabels=1

ShowUserLabel=0

ShowLabelManufacturer=1

ShowLabelModel=1

ShowLabelTailNumber=0

ShowLabelDistance=1

ShowLabelAltitude=1

ShowLabelAirline=0

ShowLabelAirlineAndFlightNumber=0

ShowLabelFlightPlan=0

ShowLabelContainerId=0

ShowLabelAirspeed=0

ShowLabelHeading=0

LabelDelay=1000

LabelColor=FFFF0000

[iNTERNATIONAL]

ASLAT=2

ASLON=1

MEASURE=0

[REALISM]

PFactor=1.000000

Torque=1.000000

GyroEffect=1.000000

CrashTolerance=0.980000

General=1.000000

UnlimitedFuel=False

AllowEngineDamage=True

TrueAirspeed=False

AutoCoord=False

RealMixture=False

StressDamage=True

GEffect=True

ManualLights=True

GyroDrift=False

CrashWithDyn=True

CrashDetection=True

AutoTrim=False

[sIM]

SYSCLOCK=1

[sTARTUP]

DEMO=0

SHOW_OPENING_SCREEN=0

STARTUP_DEMO=

LoadWindow=1

[FACILITIES]

COUNTRY=

STATE=

CITY=

GTL_BUTTON=1513

[Misc]

Com_Rate=7

[DISPLAY.Device.]

Mode=1024x720x32

Disable=1

Filter=0

Dither=0

MipMap=0

Fog=0

FullScreenFiltering=0

VolShadow=0

SoftShadow=0

AnimWater=0

Water20=0

VolTexture=0

TnL=0

DXTn=0

TextureForce=0

PanelAsTexture=0

TEXBEM=0

UseShaders=0

TableFog=0

Shader20Plus=0

[FlightPlanMap]

LineWidth=2

SHOW_AIRPORTS=1

SHOW_VORS=0

SHOW_NDBS=0

SHOW_APPROACHES=1

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=1

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=0

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=0

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=0

SHOW_DATATAGS=0

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

show_waypoints=1

show_airways=1

show_markers=1

show_volume_boundaries=0

show_ac_twr=1

[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS.0.0]

Mode=1680x1050x32

Anisotropic=1

AntiAlias=1

[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS.0.1]

Mode=1024x768x32

[RWW_WEATHER_MAP]

SHOW_AIRPORTS=0

SHOW_VORS=0

SHOW_NDBS=0

SHOW_APPROACHES=0

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=0

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=0

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1

SHOW_DATATAGS=1

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

[WeatherMap]

SHOW_AIRPORTS=0

SHOW_VORS=0

SHOW_NDBS=0

SHOW_APPROACHES=0

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=0

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=0

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1

SHOW_DATATAGS=1

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

[MULTIPLAYER]

condAccoutPassword=0

VoiceVolume=1.920000

Edited January 1, 201313 yr by firehawk44
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Ok, wow, First I would rename your config and save it, then delete fsx.cfg ,launch FSX and it will rebuild it. Try adding one tweak at the time. Also your display settings are way too high for your setup.

Lets us know how this works out for you.

Jamie Moses

From what I understand, you are never supposed to use DX10 in FSX. It is a preview version only.

 

Please see this post here: http://forum.avsim.n...f-all-settings/

 

Kev - that was almost two years ago!! I think you may not understand what Steve is actually doing:

 

Steve has been actively researching - and repairing the FSX shader system, with the intention of alleviating the left-over DX10 issues. These are the FSX High-Level Shader Language files which ACES were unable - through time constraints or other reasons - to complete in time for the release of SP2.

 

The initiative, enthusiasm and work output which Stevejp - on his own - has displayed in taking on the job of actually finishing that development, is an incredible achievement. There is no such thing as "never intended as a finished product" - they were simply left in that state, likely pegged as a low-priority item by Project, Business and Marketing management.

 

It is one thing to 'better' a product with an improvement, or to fix a known issue - but it is quite another to knowingly allow a product to market, and label something like DX10 as a "Preview" with that "Preview " programming barely functional, and not at all representing a true preview of "what's coming with DX10".

 

Steve's work-in-progess, currently at version 3.2.2, has been successful to the degree that I feel that a wholesale move for many "simmers" - to DX10 is now a practicality. There are dozens - if not several hundred FSX users - and growing daily, who have very successfully completed this transition, and I believe it has somewhat created a new and exciting experience for that avid flight-simmer: an alternate to P3D, and at the same time has created an opportunity for forward-thinking commercial FSX developers to take a unique marketing advantage, with a leading role in furthering this change by virtue of their in-depth knowledge of the FSX shader technology.

 

you are never supposed to use DX10 in FSX.

True - we used to get from A to B on horseback, too.

 

All the Best, and have a Happy New Year!

 

Paul J.

Kev - that was almost two years ago!! I think you may not understand what Steve is actually doing:

 

Steve has been actively researching - and repairing the FSX shader system, with the intention of alleviating the left-over DX10 issues. These are the FSX High-Level Shader Language files which ACES were unable - through time constraints or other reasons - to complete in time for the release of SP2.

 

The initiative, enthusiasm and work output which Stevejp - on his own - has displayed in taking on the job of actually finishing that development, is an incredible achievement. There is no such thing as "never intended as a finished product" - they were simply left in that state, likely pegged as a low-priority item by Project, Business and Marketing management.

 

It is one thing to 'better' a product with an improvement, or to fix a known issue - but it is quite another to knowingly allow a product to market, and label something like DX10 as a "Preview" with that "Preview " programming barely functional, and not at all representing a true preview of "what's coming with DX10".

 

Steve's work-in-progess, currently at version 3.2.2, has been successful to the degree that I feel that a wholesale move for many "simmers" - to DX10 is now a practicality. There are dozens - if not several hundred FSX users - and growing daily, who have very successfully completed this transition, and I believe it has somewhat created a new and exciting experience for that avid flight-simmer: an alternate to P3D, and at the same time has created an opportunity for forward-thinking commercial FSX developers to take a unique marketing advantage, with a leading role in furthering this change by virtue of their in-depth knowledge of the FSX shader technology.

 

True - we used to get from A to B on horseback, too.

 

All the Best, and have a Happy New Year!

 

Paul J.

:LMAO: :LMAO:

To TacomaSailor: You're running an i5-750 at 3.4 gig, 4-gig ram and an 8800 w/ 640 MB of video ram: your settings would be appropriate for a 4.4-gig proc, 6 gig ram an 460Ti.

 

Your Inspector SGSS should take care of the "sugary look"

 

As Jamie suggests - roll back almost all of your settings - all are very high: start with something like these:-

 

[GRAPHICS]

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1024

 

[Weather]

DETAILED_CLOUDS=0

CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=3 or minimum

CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=4 or minimum

 

[TERRAIN]

LOD_RADIUS=3.500000 Set all Terrain to minimum

MESH_COMPLEXITY=

MESH_RESOLUTION=

TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=

AUTOGEN_DENSITY=3

DETAIL_TEXTURE=1

WATER_EFFECTS=3

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=907

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=1376

 

[sCENERY]

IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=3

 

I think you're ignoring the How-to, and just guessing at your settings. If you want to get the best from DX10 - making it better than DX9 - we have a fair amount of work to do - the least of them is cleaning up the pc's un-needed processes. Word Not Allowed's guide certainly works for DX9, but there ar lots of folks with DX9 problems, too. What we have done here is tested a lot of settings, and the successful guys here know what needs to be done. We can also get into alpha and mipmap checking too, to make the sim even smoother.

 

Read the doc again, do like Jamie and I have suggested, post your Inspector settings here, and then we'll talk some more.

 

Oh - yeah - and have a Happy and Prosperous New Year!!!!

 

All the Best,

 

pj

Here is a screen grab with every FSX scenery option set to OFF/0/lowest possible setting except for Texture Resolution=5m

I renamed the fsx.cfg so that FSX would load a new default .cfg

 

As you can see - the problem is exactly the same as with my customized settings

 

Leaving Land Detail Textures checked on and setting Texture Resolution to off (slider furthest to the left) makes the shimmering image go away - I guess 'cause no textures are loaded

 

I have tried every possible nVidia inspector setting for Antialiasing and Aniostropic processing and none of them diminish the shimmering

 

Again - my basic question is - What problem does the "shimmering" image represent?

 

There are no other image quality problems - no blurries, no stuttering, no tearing, and no other visual artifacts when I use my customized "High" settings.

 

While running FSX with my customized settings on the displayed flight path I note the following:

 

Frame rate is 23 - 30 - limited to 30 and never drops below 23

All four cores run at over 90% busy

the GPU runs at about 65% busy and 75% memory

NO OOM problems

FSX VAS stabilizes at about 1.8GB

The free memory list for Windows is fairly high

Physical paging rates are low

I have eliminated EVERY process on the system that is not necessary to run FSX

Edited January 1, 201313 yr by firehawk44
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Here is the answer..

Paul J - thanks for the suggestions - I have tried to exactly follow your recommended fsx.cfg (earlier post by you) and the nVidia Inspector settings shown under your "current config"

 

I have attached some images that show the results - still shimmering (? is that the correct term) in the tiles closest to the aircraft

 

Again - my basic question is - What problem does the "shimmering" image represent?

 

What causes shimmering in DX10? I am pretty good with hardware and system software so I would appreciate as detailed an answer as anyone can provide. Many google searches find lots of ideas on how to fix DX10 shimmering but no details about the cause.

 

The DX10 shimmer disappeared for several minutes this afternoon running the same saved flight I use to generate the image shown here. When I changed nVidia Inspector AntiAliasing - Transparency SS to 8XSGSS I still saw the problem. But when I changed water effects in FSX to 2.Max ALL shimmering vanished. I was able to continue the flight with an fps of about 22 and no other visual anomalies.

 

Then I changed Global Texture Resolution to Very Dense and the shimmering reappeared.

 

Now, after many attempts to duplicate the shimmering disappearance - it is still always there.

 

Does the disappearance / reappearance of shimmering with 8xSGSS and changes to water effects mean anything useful.

 

Here is the nVidia Inspector settings for the images above - I hit Reply when I meant to hit Preview

Edited January 1, 201313 yr by firehawk44
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