Hi guys, I'm planning to purchase Saitek x52 Pro, but I'd like to know from owners if is possible to assgin to the slider (see attached picture - circled in red) a regular effort braking (incremental) via FSUIPC. I don't like to brake suddenly in one shot. So I would like to brake smoothly and this is this is the reason why I am asking if it is possible.

 

Theoretically It would be possible if slider is viewed like a normal joystick axis.

 

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/8443/x52pro3.jpg

 

 

Someone who own x52 could try it for me?

 

Thank you very much in advance,

Riccardo

 

ABSOLUTELY,

 

WHEN, you have FSUIPC installed and you are ready to assign your slider,  You will go to Add-ons, FSUIPC, and Axis Assignment.  (Of course this will be done with FSX fired up and you are sitting in your favorite aircraft).   

 

From there you will see a little bit of a confusing page if you have never done this, but I assure you, 5 minutes of working the page and you'll have it down pat.

 

First, (assuming you have everything about your X52 installed and all is working properly) move your slider.  It ought to make a bunch of things happen.  You should see in the Joy# box the number "0" and next to it you should S in the Axis# box.  You should see see numbers between -16383 and 16383.  As you slide your slider those numbers will change within the "In and Out" boxes respectively.

 

IF you see all that, all is good.  FSUIPC sees your controller and is ready to process it for you.  

 

AT THIS POINT though you will want to think a while and make an important choice when it comes to FSUIPC.  There is a very powerful box called Aircraft Specific.  What checking that box allows you to do is to make all of your FSUIPC assignments for this one and only aircraft you have selected.  IF you DO NOT check this box then every thing you assign, Axis, Key Presses, Buttons etc will be GLOBAL in nature.  That really starts to be a problem when you decide to go fly another favorite aircraft from weeks gone by OR if you buy a new model you just had to have.  TRUST ME Ive been there. I simply check that box and assign my various buttons etc for that aircraft only because what works in one wont be what I want it to do in another.  Your mileage may vary.

 

So to get you to your braking problem that you asked for, all you need to do now is decide if you want to Send the control input to FSUIPC for calibration (Which is what I do) and what FSUIPC does so well that everyone likes, OR Send to FS as normal Axis.  All sending normal does is just allow FSUIPC to use the regular command that is in FSX or 9 as it would if you did not use FSUIPC at all.

 

So try the FSUIPC Calibration selection first.  ONCE you have done that you will next have 4 possible selections immediately below the Type of action required area we just talked about.

 

Check the first box and use the drop down arrow and you will see a selection list.  Select RightBrake.  Then select LeftBrake on the one right below it.  Simple.  You need to use both, or when you move your slider you will simply taxi in a circle with your one brake on and the other off.

 

Now you will have the slider working like rudder pedals do.  Your aircraft will brake just like the real thing.  The more you slide your slider the more brakes are applied.  You can really fine tune your breaking ability this way.

 

NOTE: If you want to you could use a rotary or any axis on your system for that too.  I like the slider myself as it works very well.

 

Once you get that working I HIGHLY suggest reading ALL of the literature that comes with the FSUIPC.  YA ya ya, it takes a while BUT you will be able to do things with your X52 you would never dream of.  

 

FOR INSTANCE I have on of my rotary switches set up for trimming my airplanes in a manner that is A LOT SLOWER and MUCH more precise than just a simple button that simply is TRIM ON or TRIM OFF, sort of affair.  What this allows me to do is fly HANDS FREE with no use of autopilot necessary!   I have also been able to TONE down my controls in areas so the aircraft  flies like a real airplane.

 

I am a real world pilot and I know the feel of say a Cessna Caravan vs say a Falcon Jet (Falcon 10) or even a Piper Navajo vs a Mooney etc on and on.

 

FSUIPC is a godsend to get things to behave like an aircraft instead of a game.  You can turn your keyboard into as many switches as you can dream up!!  No kidding.  

 

For all sorts of tips, tricks, procedures, etc head over to...

 

http://forum.simflight.com/forum/30-fsuipc-support-pete-dowson-modules/

 

I would read first.  Try to figure it out.  Search the FAQs and then ask if you still need help.  Between the first three you ought to find your answer.  There are many of questions repeatedly asked is why I say that.

 

Have Fun!!

 

Get back to me if you need help!  Good luck.

OK.  NOW your turn.  I looked over your computer stats and you have almost everthing I am getting ready to purchase.  How is the i7 working for you?  Any reason for the Corsair choice vs the other products?  

 

ANY and all tips and rationale behind your setup would be of great value for me.  THANKS IN ADVANCE!  

Hi Jetblst and first of all thank you, really thank you, for your deep and exhaustive explanatiom! That's what I want to hear.

 

I have not yet purchased x52 because I wanted to know if someone tried brakes with slider.

 

I don't understand if you tried it or not? I understood YES, correct?

 

I ask this because an user on italian forum told me slider doesn't work for this function, he told me slider in fsuipc were red only like ON and OFF position, without the chance to regulate brake effort.

 

But instead you told me it's possible.

 

So, in your opinion do you prefer slider or rotary for brakes?

 

 

About hardware...my FSX run just fine, keep in mind my i7 is not overclocked and have stock frequency of 2,66GHz. I could oc it, but I don't like to oc a cpu of 2009 vs a game of 2006. FSX has a bugged code. But if you want you can oc it in a very simply way or via bios or via software tool. But I prefer first way.

 

In my FSX all setting are not at the top, autogen and scenery are on medium, water on medium 2.x (if Iwell remember), and I get costanstly 22-30 fps with NGX and MD11.

 

I applied venetubo tweaks and edit obviusly my fsx.cfg following Word Not Allowed's tutorial.

 

If you want an i7 try to purchase that with higher frequencie, so you don't need to oc it. I tried to oc mine and reached 3.65 GHz and was stable and obtained a major performance with FSX, but then I came back to 2,66 beause I didn't want to hurt it. But it's my opinion. Remebr that i7 is a good cpu and extremely easy to oc with stable performance, this is the reason why many users got it.

 

I hope to answered your questions, if you need some addtional informations I am here.

 

Many thanks again.

 

About Corsair, I think it's the best choice you can make. I'm completely satisied with it.

Hi Riccardo,  

 

The short answer is YES!!!  By all means you can use your slider for braking as you requested to know.  How exactly you do that is listed above naturally. I have had my X52 for almost 7 years now without any problems.  I may have to replace a switch or two soon.  That has more than met my expectations of a good flight stick.  

 

When I use the Slider for my brakes it is EXACTLY like using brakes in any Real World aircraft I now fly or have flown.  GET THIS!!  What is more is that you can actually TUNE the amount of braking the slider will impart upon the brakes as well!!!  So if you know of an airplane that has poor brakes, then you can tune that into your model via FSUIPC and the X52.  You can of course do that with almost all controls, devices, etc that your favorite model may have.

 

I have dropped, stepped on, left sit, and have abused my X52 more than it has deserved to be abused and she still performs 95% like new.  On a scale of 1-10 I giver her a 9.5.  The only change I wish they would make is to make the throttle neutral handed.  What I mean, is so that the throttle can be used with either right or left handed.  My reason for this is simple.  A captain flying an airliner does not use his right hand to manipulate the throttle quadrant.  He simply flies with the left hand and uses his right to operate the throttles.  You really cannot do this with the X52.

 

Value for the money for me is great.  I would buy another one.  

 

One last note.  To be clear, you can not only assign brakes to the slider, you can assign brakes and OTHER tasks AT THE SAME TIME, via FSUIPC!!  I find it helpful in some aircraft to have the slider do brakes and say spoilers as I mentioned above so whoever it was that posted that you cannot program your slider to operate the brakes as you wish to do, was simply mistaken.  What is more, is that you can even assign braking a number of ways via FSUIPC.  That person on that forum simply did not know what they were talking about.

 

I have both the X52 and FSUIPC.  I use FSX Gold Edition, Windows version 7.

 

You'll have to keep me posted if you buy the Pro Version.  WHICH I WOULD.  That will be my next purchase of flight stick I think.

 

I think the Warthog looks great too, I have read nothing but great things about it.  However for me it is too gamy of a look and of course it is designed for Fighter Combat, WHICH INMO is simply awesome!  

You gave me an idea!!

 

Will you give me your simplistic version of overclocking via bios?  I have an AMD Phenom II (Black Version - meaning of course its designed for OC)  Before I go and spend a great deal of money upgrading I want to OC the Phenom to see what she'll do.  OC sounds like a great time.

 

The i7 I am looking at comes stock at 3.7 I think and can go up to 4.9 or 4.7 quite comfortably so I read.  I don't know as I am a total newb at overclocking.

 

Thanks so much Riccardo!

Thanks to you, not to mee :-)

 

Regarding BIOS settings it's not recommended you copy my settings to your bios, they are different. One rule is never copy from one cpu to another, suppose you have and i7 and want to copy from another i7 settings. You can do it, but it's not recomemded, there are difference from MB to MB, RAM and RAM and so on.

 

My suggestion is to google for oc setting for your cpu but don't copy them, try with steps. Normally you have to achieve the minimum Volts setting having a stable system (no crash o BSOD) and go up with cpu freq., try to check this link:

 

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/04/22/overclocking-101-with-the-amd-phenom-ii-x4-955-black-edition-processor/

 

regarding x52 I'm absolutely agree with you, x52 i a great stick, the unique lack is the neutral throttle as you said. I prefer, like you, to manage throttle with right hand, like in airliners. I fly always with NGX and MD11, so would be realistic a right throttle. Some user said you can use the throttle with right hand but it's a bit unconfortable, isn't?

Hi Riccardo,

 

Well?  I've never overclocked before.  However, when I bought my processor I made sure that I could OC.  

 

I did what you said and the tool that AMD has out there is great for a beginner like me.  

 

I did read up on heat etc.  But in my desire to start OC and see if it would work, I didn't do anything really for heat.  I knew I would have to.

 

Off to Micro Center I went and bought fairly decent heat sink and WOW what a difference.

 

I was able to OC on very first run for about a couple of minutes up to 4.1 stable.  I did notice my temps getting near 60 C.  So I shut down until I did something for Heat.

 

I just installed the Heat Sink.  I bought a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO.  I've never worked with this type of hardware but I guess I did fairly well.

 

I was able to fly FSX OC to 4.1 stable, well at least FSX didn't crash.  I was able to move all my sliders to the right accept for water.  I don't care about water as I fly glass all the time and I am usually up in the flight levels.

 

So I was able to obtain 25 to 30 FPS running Active Sky 2012, Radar Contact and a full glass cockpit.  While running a cool 35 to 45 C. no higher.

 

Its late on my end so I can further tweak later but wow what an improvement.  I almost don't need to get that I7.  I will as my wife approved it.  Gotta run out and get it while she's in a generous mood!!  HA HA.

 

If you have any more thoughts or ideas I would appreciate it.  Still a complete newb on OC but it worked well so far.

Hi Jet

 

would like to know how to assign other tasks to the same buttons at the same time, if I understand correctly, you can do that?

 

Also how do you set the braking up to the aircraft

 

Many thanks

Hi Jet

 

would like to know how to assign other tasks to the same buttons at the same time, if I understand correctly, you can do that?

 

Also how do you set the braking up to the aircraft

 

Many thanks

Hi Alpha,

 

Technically speaking.  Yes you can assign two tasks to one button at the same time.  However, it's important to keep in mind that what your doing is using the first "click" or "downpress" of your button to do the first task, and then the second click or "release" of the button to do the second task.  The end result however is two actions for one click of the button.

 

For instance, I have a button that I use for the go-around button.  Not only does it advance the autothrottles forward as in a missed approach procedure, but it also positions the flaps to approach flaps from landing flaps.  Again, all with one button.

 

How I accomplish this is to go FSX menu/Addons/FSUIPC/Buttons & Switches

 

You'll see two dropdown boxes.  One box says "Control Sent when button is Pressed"  The other box will say "Control Sent when button is released"

 

Box 1 - Auto Throttle To Ga

Box 2 - Flaps 

 

These are exactly the choices you'll find in FSUIPC.

 

FOR BRAKES

 

Here is what I posted above....

 

 

 

ABSOLUTELY,

 

WHEN, you have FSUIPC installed and you are ready to assign your slider,  You will go to Add-ons, FSUIPC, and Axis Assignment.  (Of course this will be done with FSX fired up and you are sitting in your favorite aircraft).   

 

From there you will see a little bit of a confusing page if you have never done this, but I assure you, 5 minutes of working the page and you'll have it down pat.

 

First, (assuming you have everything about your X52 installed and all is working properly) move your slider.  It ought to make a bunch of things happen.  You should see in the Joy# box the number "0" and next to it you should S in the Axis# box.  You should see see numbers between -16383 and 16383.  As you slide your slider those numbers will change within the "In and Out" boxes respectively.

 

IF you see all that, all is good.  FSUIPC sees your controller and is ready to process it for you.  

 

AT THIS POINT though you will want to think a while and make an important choice when it comes to FSUIPC.  There is a very powerful box called Aircraft Specific.  What checking that box allows you to do is to make all of your FSUIPC assignments for this one and only aircraft you have selected.  IF you DO NOT check this box then every thing you assign, Axis, Key Presses, Buttons etc will be GLOBAL in nature.  That really starts to be a problem when you decide to go fly another favorite aircraft from weeks gone by OR if you buy a new model you just had to have.  TRUST ME Ive been there. I simply check that box and assign my various buttons etc for that aircraft only because what works in one wont be what I want it to do in another.  Your mileage may vary.

 

So to get you to your braking problem that you asked for, all you need to do now is decide if you want to Send the control input to FSUIPC for calibration (Which is what I do) and what FSUIPC does so well that everyone likes, OR Send to FS as normal Axis.  All sending normal does is just allow FSUIPC to use the regular command that is in FSX or 9 as it would if you did not use FSUIPC at all.

 

So try the FSUIPC Calibration selection first.  ONCE you have done that you will next have 4 possible selections immediately below the Type of action required area we just talked about.

 

Check the first box and use the drop down arrow and you will see a selection list.  Select RightBrake.  Then select LeftBrake on the one right below it.  Simple.  You need to use both, or when you move your slider you will simply taxi in a circle with your one brake on and the other off.

 

Now you will have the slider working like rudder pedals do.  Your aircraft will brake just like the real thing.  The more you slide your slider the more brakes are applied.  You can really fine tune your breaking ability this way.

If you want variable breaking, by that I mean variable amounts of pressure to the brakes, (just like in your car) you have to use an Axis.  You can do it with a button, BUT it's a rather daunting task on a good day.

 

One thing that is an AWESOME feature when it comes to FSUIPC, is multitasking the axis.  

 

Lets say you have a rotary switch better known as a wheel on you flight stick.  Since that rotary has a range between -16384 and 16384, you can set up to 10 ranges to do 10 different things on ONE rotorary.  I have done this and its great.  Until you comeback after a week or so and forget what was on there.  LOL.  You can program a rotary to Turn on the master, Open the Fuel Valve, Engage the Starter, turn on the avionics master etc.  

 

The ranges could look like   -16384 to -14384 [Turn on the Master] -13000 to -10000 [Open the Fuel Valve]...

 

On and on until you've used 10 ranges or run out of travel with your rotary.  Keep in mind here too, the user determines the ranges.  Which is handy as well.

 

From here you just want to get creative and plan out your controller and what you want to achieve.  

Thanks Jet

 

Will give it a go

Fixed the title  :Nerd:

Uh oh.  Did we get too far off topic Chase?  Sorry if I did.  I could start this as a new thread if it would be considered more useful by you guys.