I Don´t know if this is a NGX problem or a flightplan problem (Or just me who don´t know crap ) So sorry if this is in the wrong section

I´ve owned the NGX for maybe 2 weeks or so now and I haven´t encountred this problem yet.

But today I wanted to depart from Vantaa [EFHK] to Oulo [EFOU] and Rfinder gave me PIVAK as the SID.

 

But PIVAK 'isn´t' a SID according to the charts and the NGX...

 

Of course you´d just pick another SID (I don´t use a quality flightplanner) but the other ones dosen´t match up with the airways and that´s when I get a headache...

 

I could move on  and not fly but I will lose the battle then.

 

The route is : EFHK SID PIVAK P854 PIVOR T95 UPMOT STAR EFOU

 

 

I chose AIRAC Cycle 1108 (My active) aswell but got the same result... Whatever I select it ends up with pivak. At every web FP so far..

 

I can´t chose P854 when choosing a SID that ends directly on it so it really feels like i´m missing something here.

 

Typing DIRECT [insert waypoint here] doesn´t work either

 

The FMC gives me the SIDS that are on the charts...are rfinder outdated or am I doing something wrong?

 

Please tell me if you need more info... and sorry if it´s described in the manual ...

NGX ships with AIRAC from 2011. You can purchase an updated one from Navigraph.

Hi Lucas,

 

After a quick search, the correct route for your flight from EFHK to EFOU is ROVIL M854 OSTOS. When flying in Europe, I suggest using VATroute to find your routes.

 

Now to address what SID you would use.... Now Helsinki is an interesting place. Like many others, you have expect the SIDS to join up with your flight-planned route. However, the SIDS in EFHK are designed to send you in a general direction, in which from the SID exit gate, you would get direct to the first waypoint on your filed flight-plan and then on your merry way to your destination.

 

In the route that I provided, ROVIL is a northerly direction out of EFHK. I will assume runway 04L is active for departures. Now since your operating on AIRAC 1108, I am not sure if you will have it in your database, but the UNURU1Z is headed in the direction of the first point on your flightplan ROVIL. Therefore, this is the SID to use. From UNURU, track direct to ROVIL and join the M854 airway to continue on your way towards EFOU.

 

I too once got confused about the procedures at Helsinki, but after consulting a controller from the Helsinki FIR, I was able to understand them much better (It was the first case of this I have seen, and I have flown to many aerodromes).

 

If you have any more questions regarding SID/STAR's, or the NGX, shoot them across... I love the 73!

After a quick research I concluded that EFHK SID/STAR design is the worst in the whole world. It's ridiculously unintuitive.

After a quick research I concluded that EFHK SID/STAR design is the worst in the whole world. It's ridiculously unintuitive.

Yeah, its rediculous. Airspace designers must of had too much of that Finnish vodka.

Hi Lucas,

 

After a quick search, the correct route for your flight from EFHK to EFOU is ROVIL M854 OSTOS. When flying in Europe, I suggest using VATroute to find your routes.

 

Now to address what SID you would use.... Now Helsinki is an interesting place. Like many others, you have expect the SIDS to join up with your flight-planned route. However, the SIDS in EFHK are designed to send you in a general direction, in which from the SID exit gate, you would get direct to the first waypoint on your filed flight-plan and then on your merry way to your destination.

 

In the route that I provided, ROVIL is a northerly direction out of EFHK. I will assume runway 04L is active for departures. Now since your operating on AIRAC 1108, I am not sure if you will have it in your database, but the UNURU1Z is headed in the direction of the first point on your flightplan ROVIL. Therefore, this is the SID to use. From UNURU, track direct to ROVIL and join the M854 airway to continue on your way towards EFOU.

 

I too once got confused about the procedures at Helsinki, but after consulting a controller from the Helsinki FIR, I was able to understand them much better (It was the first case of this I have seen, and I have flown to many aerodromes).

 

If you have any more questions regarding SID/STAR's, or the NGX, shoot them across... I love the 73!

Thank you for you answer! I will try it right away.   I believe UNURU1Z is there...if not i´ll purchase the 1308  ^_^ Im doing an 'around europe tour' on ivao and starting with regionals in Scandinavia Hoping not to experience more of this during the tour  :Worried:

Thank you for you answer! I will try it right away.   I believe ROVIL is there...if not i´ll purchase the 1308  ^_^ Im doing an 'around europe tour' on ivao and starting with regionals in Scandinavia Hoping not to experience more of this during the tour  :Worried:

You should be fine, as I said, Helsinki is the only place I have seen a situation like this (unless it's a normal radar vectored SID like the JFK1, ORD1 etc.)

 

I would suggest purchasing an updated AIRAC such as 1308, you can still always run that for a year or so and purchase 1408 in a year. I understand some people don't have money to spend on AIRAC's which is fair enough...Just reduces the risk of running into the dreaded message of "NOT IN DATABASE".

You should be fine, as I said, Helsinki is the only place I have seen a situation like this (unless it's a normal radar vectored SID like the JFK1, ORD1 etc.)

 

I would suggest purchasing an updated AIRAC such as 1308, you can still always run that for a year or so and purchase 1408 in a year. I understand some people don't have money to spend on AIRAC's which is fair enough...Just reduces the risk of running into the dreaded message of "NOT IN DATABASE".

UNURU1Z to UNURO from 04L is there.   Should i type DIRECT in 2L and then ROVIL in 2R because I get invalid entry when entering ROVIL  :huh:

do not type direct, just leave 2L empty and enter ROVIL in 2R. Or even better, first enter route, then select STAR, then fix discontinuity in legs page.

UNURU1Z to UNURO from 04L is there.   Should i type DIRECT in 2L and then ROVIL in 2R because I get invalid entry when entering ROVIL  :huh:

Manipulate your legs so that after UNURU is ROVIL (no discontinuity).

 

If theres ATC, you should probably leave a discontinuity between ROVIL and UNURU incase you are on LNAV and are not yet cleared on your planned route after passed UNURU.

Manipulate your legs so that after UNURU is ROVIL (no discontinuity).

 

If theres ATC, you should probably leave a discontinuity between ROVIL and UNURU incase you are on LNAV and are not yet cleared on your planned route after passed UNURU.

Thank you! The flight went good + a Center controller logged on  

 

 

If theres ATC, you should probably leave a discontinuity between ROVIL and UNURU incase you are on LNAV and are not yet cleared on your planned route after passed UNURU.

 

Thank you.  So many people just assume the magenta line needs to be unbroken.

 

...can't tell you how many times I have to say:

"United 445, after departure, fly heading 360.  Wind 330 at 10.  Runway 30 cleared for takeoff."

[observe plane continue turning past 360, right towards the arrival streams to the 19s]

"United 445, fly heading 3-6-0.  Expedite the turn."

 

Most common sheepish/accusatory reply: "Oh, my FMC said..."

:rolleyes:

 

The SID is the CAPITAL[#], and it's a vectored SID out of the airport, meaning leave the DISCONTINUITY there!

 

Short of "if you file it, you should read what you're actually supposed to be doing (JFK1, EWR1, etc)," it's probably my most common frustration when controlling online.