Hi All Pilots.

 

Its a bit embarrassing to ask but its better to ask than stay mum.

I am configuring my cdu for a flight to opkc from omdb.

The Approach to opkc is being done on LOTA2B STAR into RWY 7R.

 

 

 

First of all 7R is not equipped with ILS.

 

 

 

Secondly this approach results in a route discontinuity between the last star waypoint and the runway.

This ofcourse gives me a msg on my PD: "LDG ALT" in amber meaning missing landing altitude.

 

 

 

My question is there a way I can make this approach a little bit more smoother where I can resolve the LDG ALT indication?

 

I'd clear the discontinuity, then when cleared for the approach go direct to the end of the runway with an intercept of whatever the final approach course is. This will give you a straight in depiction on the ND and lateral guidance.

I'd clear the discontinuity, then when cleared for the approach go direct to the end of the runway with an intercept of whatever the final approach course is. This will give you a straight in depiction on the ND and lateral guidance.

 

Thanks the input Jason.

 

I wasn't able to remove discontinuity from CDU. If I try to input FA07R into discontinuity from above, I still end up with a discontinuity.

 

However, to understand better, should I fly the route to the end of STAR then once cleared for approach, then input the arrival runway into CDU and then head straight there?

Maybe I was thinking of the RL aircraft at work. LOL :blink: Hmm... I'd have to fiddle with the sim. I do this all the time for my visual approaches. Maybe just leave the discontinuity, perhaps try this?

 

Following the star go direct to FA07 with an intercept of the final approach course. I.E. using your picture above, following the completion of the star you'd be on a vector (heading select mode). Hit LSK 4L which puts FA07R into the scratchpad. The LSK 1L, which will make it the to point (direct, do not hit EXEC just yet). After this, on the lower right side of the display will be a point to enter the desired intercept heading, enter the final approach course and hit the associated LSK, then hit EXEC. Once it computes it should draw an extended straight in final from FA07R on the ND. Fly Heading Select to intercept the course then LNAV as required.

 

Should get you lined up nicely. Since its VFR, managing the approach altitude is up to you, this will just give you lateral guidance.  B)

Visual approaches are done by looking out the window.

 

...that's why they're called visual approaches.  :wink:

 

 

I agree with what Jason wrote, as well.

@ Jason, Kyle. Thanks guys I will definitely try this.

Visual approaches are done by looking out the window.

 

...that's why they're called visual approaches.  :wink:

 

HA! Well played...   However, as we say in aviation... "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying..."  :lol:  

 

Although you should fly it visually, it's smart flying to use the tech in the airplane to back you up via the instrumentation. I.E. Fly the visual, but backed up via the ILS if it's available... We often do this IRL.  B) 

 

I'm off for my first revenue run... ATL - LAX  B)

 

 

Although you should fly it visually, it's smart flying to use the tech in the airplane to back you up via the instrumentation. I.E. Fly the visual, but backed up via the ILS if it's available... We often do this IRL.   

 

Agreed, and I know.

 

...otherwise there's a scramble when the controller says "join the LOC" even after telling you to expect the visual.  The extra indications are nice backup, too, where available.

Another thing I may add or ask even, but not all STARS have to be ILS could be VOR/DME and agree with what was posted above - visual approach is just that. You need to be visual and see the runway.

Agreed, and I know.

 

...otherwise there's a scramble when the controller says "join the LOC" even after telling you to expect the visual.  The extra indications are nice backup, too, where available.

 

The worst happened to me once with PMDG 747 trying to fly into TNCM. Somewhere along the line of final approach, I had to perform a go around. 

I don't remember what I did, but ultimately, my flight plan was over. There was blank screen on my ND. And I was literally trying to see through my 2D panel to get a visual on a runway 8 NM away. I wish I had binoculars then lolzzz.....

Another thing I may add or ask even, but not all STARS have to be ILS could be VOR/DME and agree with what was posted above - visual approach is just that. You need to be visual and see the runway.

 

This end of the runway 07R doesn't have any ILS. Atleast I can't find it on the afcad file.

 

And I know aircrafts land on this end because last summer on my last trip to this airport, we landed on this end of the runway.

The worst happened to me once with PMDG 747 trying to fly into TNCM. Somewhere along the line of final approach, I had to perform a go around. 

I don't remember what I did, but ultimately, my flight plan was over. There was blank screen on my ND. And I was literally trying to see through my 2D panel to get a visual on a runway 8 NM away. I wish I had binoculars then lolzzz.....

 

This end of the runway 07R doesn't have any ILS. Atleast I can't find it on the afcad file.

 

And I know aircrafts land on this end because last summer on my last trip to this airport, we landed on this end of the runway.

 

I can confirm OPKC 7L and 7R are not ILS equipped, in real life and even in FSX if you landed there in real life must have been a Visual Approach  -7L  is one end 25R is the other end....  think Im having more fun hand flying the beast - really have to fly it onto the runway...

 

 

Another thing I may add or ask even, but not all STARS have to be ILS could be VOR/DME

 

No STARs are ILS or even VOR/DME...

 

Those are IAPs.  STARs are arrivals.  IAPs (ILS/VOR/GPS/etc) are approaches.  :wink:

No STARs are ILS or even VOR/DME...

 

Those are IAPs.  STARs are arrivals.  IAPs (ILS/VOR/GPS/etc) are approaches.  :wink:

A STAR leads onto a FAF then IAP, what I should of said an IAP doesn't necessarily have an ILS, thanks for correction. ;-)

A STAR leads onto a FAF then IAP, what I should of said an IAP doesn't necessarily have an ILS, thanks for correction. ;-)

 

That's not often the case in the United States, which is why I pointed it out, I guess.

 

Welcome.

That's not often the case in the United States, which is why I pointed it out, I guess.

 

Welcome.

Well I'm talking in regards to Rwy 7L and 7R at OPKC, as instructed before just put the rw07 as the final fix in the FMC.

According to the Jeppesen chart the LOTA2B arrival is for 25L and 25R. That could be your problem