I thought these guys did a great job with their CRJ but with the release of the ERJ, I guess I hadn't seen the best these guys could do... This add-on seems to have been over-shadowed by all the other great releases released during this holiday season. Haven't heard to much about this package on the forums or anywhere so I guess many are missing out. I would rank this one right up there with PMDG and Dreamfleet. FeelThere as of today is to commuter airliners what Eaglesoft is to business jets making them the official kings of commuter airliners right now (great FDE, great sounds, etc.)This ERJ package will be the sleeper classic to get... Sorry guys if I sound like an infomercial but this package is just that good, I was surprised myself

I agree. Bought it the day it came out. It's fantastic, and the support is just as good. The only missing is a fuel planner.ricardo

I like it. Perhaps the package is currently a little bit uneven, as some parts of the package are first rate and awesome (e.g., avionics display and FMS) and other parts are a bit different from the latest PMDG and Dreamfleet standards (IMO). Overall though, a great airplane.I flew the Feelthere ERJ a lot this weekend into smaller airports with great scenery like Al Wheeler's California Central Coast (e.g., KSBA) and Shehryar Ansari's John Wayne airport (KSNA). It was a fun combination.

A decent package, just don't be fooled by the PIC title, it in no way deserves that title, not by a longshot.The FMS seems to suffer featuritis especially, where it can supposedly do all of these things, but very few can it actually do properly.If refunds were possible, I'd have gotten one by now. I didn't really expect it to be on par with the PIC767, but, I did expect at least a good showing.That's twice now, that an incomplete or inadequate package has dragged the PIC name down with it.Oh well, LDS on the horizon.

The FMS seems to be performing substantially more than a "few" functions properly, I'd say most functions are working. Does your comment about the FMS have to do with the current waypoint being deleted when the aircraft comes within 15 NM of the waypoint? I'm not even sure this is a bug because FeelThere reported that this limitation came from the FMS docs. Even if it is a bug, I don't see how you get from there to the harsh conclusion that the FMS performs very few functions properly?

That opinion comes from hours of use, and comparison, to the real unit.Good enough ?

Brian this is not the real aircraft, it is a simulation of one. Your expectations are a little too high I'm afraid... Not everyone can do an FMS/FMC like PMDG. If your that anal about this unit then why don't you design one yourself so we all can use it with our various aircraft??? I could see if these guys didn't try at all but they did a good job at giving us the basics... When you look at everything else this package has to offer plus the fact that the FMS does a decent job at keeping my aircraft on course during cruise, you really have a winner here and complaints are trivial. Eaglesoft doesn't even contain an FMC in their jets yet all the other aspects of their packages are astounding. It almost sounds like your trolling around because this package far exceeds many other payware offerings out there.

>Brian this is not the real aircraft, it is a simulation of>one. Er, yeah, I was aware of this, but thanks for pointing this out, you're a sharp one.>Your expectations are a little too high I'm afraid... >Not everyone can do an FMS/FMC like PMDG. Well, then I guess the Pilot In Command title should've been left alone, and I quote:"First time ever a non Wilco developed airplane got the right for using the PIC "Pilot In Command" brand name ensuring the highest quality."I'm sorry but no, not even close. I know very, very well what the PIC767 is, and to be frank, the ERJ isn't even close to being in the same league. It's nice, but it is no PIC. When I say this, I don't mean that it doesn't operate the way the 767 does, obviously it doesn't, it's an ERJ. No, I say this because I probably have access to more information/tech data in regards to this particular auto-flight/FMS then they did designing it. The FMS is far from it's only shortcoming, unfortunately.It's still only an opinon, I guess, but it's a pretty well educated one. >If your that anal>about this unit then why don't you design one yourself so we>all can use it with our various aircraft??? I could see if>these guys didn't try at all but they did a good job at giving>us the basics... When you look at everything else this package>has to offer plus the fact that the FMS does a decent job at>keeping my aircraft on course during cruise, you really have a>winner here and complaints are trivial. Eaglesoft doesn't>even contain an FMC in their jets yet all the other aspects of>their packages are astounding. It almost sounds like your>trolling around because this package far exceeds many other>payware offerings out there. :-roll Excuse me ? Did I insult you, or anyone else here, personally ?If you don't agree with me, great; I'll be happy to compare and contrast all of the reasons why you think I'm wrong and I think I'm right. Keep the personal shots out of it, though, really, and don't try and stifle my opinions and thoughts just because yours differ.

Dillonyou have gone too far.The man said nothing at all to ilicit that kind of response from you.Dilion you may in the future want to take people`s opinions for what they are.Now here is my opinion on the ERJ.I don`t care for it and I`m stuck with it but that is the way it is.Troy

Brian how am I insulting you??? 1. Is it because I offered up the challenge for you to design an FMS yourself and you and I both know you lack the skills to produce one. You seem to know so much on the subject and therefore are willing to S%*^Can this whole package just because one feature isn't up to your standards. Since your so versed on the FMS, contact Feelthere and offer up your advice and consultation. I'm sure they won't mind and I don't mean this as an insult...2. If your referring to my comment about Trolling, well that's just my perception. With companies out there like Perfect Flight basically selling FS2000 products at FS2k4 prices, how can you criticize FeelThere to this degree??? Look at what we have with companies like Ariane who screwed us all some years ago and now release products directly competing with other developers... Feelthere at least gave us a plane that hasn't been professionally done by any other developer, nor are these guys taking pock shot's at anyone. They get an A+ in the character department in my book. Again I'm surprised since you know so much you haven't asked to be on FeelThere's beta team. I'm sure these guys would have loved to have gotten your viewpoint. Most developers are hobbyist and have limited resources in getting the required info (I

Dude, chill out, this isn't life or death, or worthy of a 12 page essay.1)I have offered information, but, I honestly don't think they're interested in really hashing it all out, that's the impression I get. Also, I am a very "blunt and to the point" person, sometimes to a fault I guess. People take criticism way to personally in this biz, it seems, and I honestly don't have the time or the inclination to sugar-coat every opinion/comment I have, because of some that can't handle being told that something they created doesn't work as it should.2)I'm sorry you feel this way, really I am. I guess we just don't feel the same way about PIC, and how inappropriate it is to use the name for products that do not live up to the original standards. Pure marketing garbage at it's finest. If that's trolling, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.I have really grown tired of being chastised by others in this community because I don't sign every post with roses and hugs. Luckily, for all involved, I don't post all too often, but when I do, it's because the topic is important enough for me to risk having to explain myself....again. So here we are...

I will not say any words about ERJ just because I related to this project :-halo But I believe Brian never has experience with real NZ2000 unit otherwise I not understood why he was confused by altitude constraints.There is many different FMS units in world, I don't know all them. And I will not surprised if some will work little different way than another units.

lol, ok Alex, maybe you should go read in your own forum a bit, to see where I am coming from.Either way, you can believe what you want, really, I don't care. :-)

>> That opinion comes from hours of use, and comparison, to the real unit. Good enough ?Not really. You seem to consider yourself an authority on the ERJ FMS that much is clear. Unclear however is your actual experience. If you are a real ERJ 145 pilot just say it, that woudl be great.I've noticed that you've been critical of the ERJ in the FeelThere forum too and you've brought that criticism over here. However, looking back over your posts I've been able to identify only one (possibly) genuine issue that you've specifically identified and that issue I've discussed upthread.I'm still learning the FMS and all the avionics so I'll admit right now that I've been unable to verify many of the functions.You however have reached the bold, factual conclusion that the FMS does very few things properly. So please, provide some specific examples. No need about "sugarcoating it" or being "blunt" with us here at avsim! :-) The FMS implements quite a few functions, so while your at it you'll need to provide quite a few, specific examples of FMS failings in order to properly support your conclusion. So no, not good enough. I've found it is always good to back up a startling conclusion with startling facts, otherwise your conclusion tends to be summarily dismissed.

Wow, you really put me in my place.You want to follow the progress of our dealings, readd it over there, nice 3 page thread to read, at least until it's deleted.But if you think you can bait me into some sort of pi$$ing contest here, sorry to disappoint you, it's not gonna happen.Dismiss away.