I began using FS9 a year ago when I bought it and a joystick. (I'd never used any of the previous versions.) I'm now retired, having begun my career at Hawker Aircraft in the late 1950s working on the P1127 (Harrier prototype) although I left aviation many years ago. I learned to fly on Cessna 150 in 1970.FS9FS 9 cost me

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Great PostYou know what bothers me though is people calling other people idiots of whatever variety for whatever reason.I don`t consider it conducive to harmony in the community.Troy

Nice planes that you made there!! Are they available to download anywhere? I agree with you on many points that you made....that there are some 'smug' folks around here who are also very unhelpful! However, as you have found, there's also a lot of great people here; this is for me, one of the finest internet forum communities that I have had the pleasure of finding! :) Avsim is the first place I look after checking email when I fire-up the PC. I got hooked on FS9 in the summer of 2003 when it was released, having had a few weeks of exposure, almost a 'training' period, with FS2002!I too, did the download everything routine, but soon found what really interested me, and have gathered quite a hanger of planes, and a wide variety of scenery. My main interests are with the heavies, bth cargo and PAX, and also have a fondness for military heavies: the tankers...I live close to RAF Mildenhall, work at RAF Lakenheath and Feltwell, and so wanted to try to reproduce these bases more accurately than default FS9 allowed. I found that the UK2000 scenery packs available (payware), by Gary Summons to be excellent: well detailed, good on performance and they cover a wide variety of airports, airfields, and RAF and USAF bases across most of the UK...and very reasonably priced too!! You may find them of interest as there is a nice rendition of Duxford, including the USAF hanger, available in the Eastern package, along with Cambridge airport, RAF Lakenheath/Mildenhall, and a Stansted, Luton, etc. I enjoy taking my KC-135R (model by Rok Dolonek, panel by me, having butchered the HJG 707 panel to make it more KC'ish!!) from Mildenhall to many of it's real-life European and Scandinavian destinations and back again.As you say, the basic programme offers so much to so many, and the ease of modifying to personal taste is almost infinite...A wonderful platform for providing so many hours of pleasure and discovery. No other computer game has given so much or been so long-lasting, or educated me to such a degree: I think it's fascinating and wonderful to get such a glimpse and an incling into the ways of the aviation world, and what it's like to be at the pointy end of one of those big birds, regardless of the limitations imposed by home PC hardware/software...it's the closest I'll ever get to taking an A320, a KC-135, a 737, or an MD11 across the channel!!And it's truly difficult to put into words just how great the Real Air Spitfire (payware) is...I guess really, that for anyone with an interest in planes and flying, then FS9 is the perfect excuse to own a PC and while away many hours with it!!

What would you call them?

"I don`t consider it conducive to harmony in the community." I agree. The tone of the post regarding other forum members is, indeed, in very poor taste. Frankly, anyone who has only a year of experience here still has much to learn about the flightsim community. Referring to other members as the "whiners here" isn't going to win many friends nor influence many people.DougEdited only because I can't spel

"Whiners" - those who post diatribes about M$ for not providing exactly what they want. Remember, this is a

>"Idiots" - those how use bandwidth without providing information.I'm not sure I want to learn much about the flightsim community.

ok guys,seeing as how this is going. It is agrivating when you ask for help, and a guys comes back, and says, "i dont know, i dont have this problem." tell me, what is the point in that? there isnt, and that would further tick me off. If your in a bad mood from a pc problem, and someone's response to you cry for help is that, i believe the right is reserved to say a few things. Im not taking sides, but that is something that happens, and further ####### people off, and it is pointless to even waste the 2 or 3 kb's on the forum.Not trying to offend any one, but you have to admit, a person like that is something a little more than a idiot. Just from my opinion. Again, no offence is ment.If someone says that there is a answer to your question, but in a different forum, or a thread from 2 years ago, and you have to find it, it should not of been mentioned as a solution to the issue. A few days ago, i was reading a problem in the hardware forum, where someone came for help, and a member who had a solution, said, "i had this similar problem, it is in a thread in this forum, then posted a link to the thread. Now that was helpful. :-shyAnd i would have to say about the comment about using the search feature, every time i have attempted to use it in the past, i cant remember the one time it has worked. I click on search, and type in a thread name, or a keyword followed by * to bring results that are similar up, but it never works. I can enter the forum, and search, still no go, i can go to the main page of the AVSIM forum, and it doesnt work. I cant remember when it has once worked. Something to notice, the original author of this thread, never mentioned a name, but just left the comment out to people who do senseless stuff, in return, he is personally attacked. I dont agree on that. Nor do i agree calling others idiots or a thing of that sort, but you have to agree, there are members out there that do brainless actions, act before consulting the action, or just post a response that wasnt needed, and just further ticks some one off. :-shyIm not trying to offend any one in here, but there are things said in this forum that arent called for, and people could provide a better answer than, " there is this same issue in this forum". And half the time, the thread is there, but after a 3 hour search for a 3 year old post, its a short sentance, or incomplete in some cases, and provides no help. :-shyAgain, understand, i am not taking sides, nor trying to offend any one at all. But you have to agree its not right to post on a public forum attacking users as idiots, but there are some that post responses such as "i dont know, never had this problem". I cant see why some one would post that, and there was no use for it eathier.I am not taking sides, but i do understand the point of view this is coming from. Both sides are correct, and both are incorrect. :-shyCheers! :-waveChaseThe Rig Today:AMD Athlon64 3200+ K8NS-Pro1GB PC320080GB SATA 7200RPM Seagate HDATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB OCacer 17" LCD

Good reply Chase...I believe there is a difference between the "it doesn't happen to me" replies vs. replies where we challenge a user to read and browse the forums. I was only responding to the second issue as I also get annoyed as heck as well when I see someone saying "you have a bug because it's not happening to me" and they leave it at that.Outside of that, throwing out the labels "whiner", "idiot", and "pompous" even if naming no one specific is still a wide insult at many users. We are all guilty of the behaviors mentioned in the post during moments of stress, but better to label the behavior and not the people. -John

HiI was really hoping that this thread was dead and buried.I never once saw anything like this on the Compuserv forums when I first became interested in FS (Sub-Logic ATP)I really wish the moderators would start doing something about these types of threads.I also think that getting timely answers on this forum is not an entitlement and I would like to see a return to the time when these forums teemed with posts where someone dicovered some cool tweak and shared it with the community and not treating these forums like the be all end all replacement for the FS manual or the readmes that come with most addons.Those days are long long gone I guess.Troy

that was the point i was trying to get out. :-roll hope they see it the same as you and me.

there are forums like that. especially here at avsim. and then there are other forums where all the nonsence happens. I would like to see us all get along, but that would require a nice sized group of member here at the forum, to gain some common sence and manners. (not speaking of you, just to let you know.) there were a few reasons the original author said what he did, and yet a few were fitting his names for them well, nor was it right. In order for us all to be happy, a few people out there must learn to keep their nonsence off the forum. (in no way, shape, or form, am i speaking about you, just to let ya know :) ) Anyways, lets just see what the future brings us. Maybe some people wont do the pointless things they do. :-roll

mghA good post. I agree entirely with just about everything you say - and I have been in flight simulation for over 20 years.Unfortunately, this forum attracts the good, the bad and the ugly and it's not difficult to come across non-sensical replies etc as well as flaming.I tend to stick to the smaller and less frequented forums myself as I find the folks there are more mature, understanding and helpful. Two of my favourites are at http://www.simflight.com/ and http://www.visualflight.net/photoscenery/ The Visual Flight forum is especially good and friendly.David

mgh,A very good and refreshing post. With approx 15 years behind the FS controls and some odd ones on AVSIM I can only agree with David. You've probably got replies from all three parties here, the good, the bad and the ugly. (But I'll think the good guys win in the end)