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Have had my finger hovering over the uninstall button for my Horizon VFR Gen X scenery for England and Wales (+ Treescapes addons) for the last few weeks with a plan to replace it with Orbx England and Wales and then today I saw this advertised on SimMarket.

 

Apparently it uses "ground-breaking new technological processes to inject a comprehensive Autogen layer into FSX, placing millions of houses, buildings, churches, trees and hedgerows in their real-world locations across England, Scotland and Wales. So, for the first time in FSX, every village, town and city is fully formed with its real-life streets and estates, and woods and hedgerows tracing the edges of real-life fields and the contours of the land."

 

The screenshots look pretty good and it has caused me to hesitate with my plans to replace the VFR Gen X photoreal scenery with Orbx, despite the fact that I purchased the relevant Orbx scenery around Christmas during their sale.

 

I just wondered if any other frequent UK flyers have tried this as yet? How does it look in use and is there a significant FPS hit or OOM effect, given the apparent large quantity of autogen combined with resource-hungry photoreal scenery?

 

Any feedback / reviews would be appreciated.

 

Bill

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I am very happy with this product and would not hesitate to recommend it. One thing that might be worth bearing in mind is Earth Simulations are soon [?] to release their own full building and tree autogen for the entire UK which 'may' be even better than this.... but, until its released we won't know for sure, however, Darren and Vicky's work is alway top notch.


 

RevX does represent great value for money too.

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Have had my finger hovering over the uninstall button for my Horizon VFR Gen X scenery for England and Wales (+ Treescapes addons) for the last few weeks with a plan to replace it with Orbx England and Wales and then today I saw this advertised on SimMarket.

 

Bill

 

Hi Bill,

 

I wouldn't recommend replacing Horizon VFR UK with Orbx ENG to be honest.

 

Now I say that without bias because (i) I love Orbx and am flying exclusively in Orbx US areas at the moment, and (ii) I have Orbx ENG installed at the moment rather than Horizon VFR UK (which I do also own).    But IMHO, Orbx ENG is their weakest product and you will soon miss the accuracy and realism of Horizon (especially with Treescapes).

 

The only real reason I still have Orbx ENG installed is sheer laziness - the install of Horizon VFR UK + Treescapes is quite an ordeal lol!!........ I just haven't gotten around to ringfencing 3 hours to get it all done.   :lol:

 

If I compare my own area of the UK in Orbx ENG, it just doesn't resemble reality at all.  There are roads running straight into rivers, large cities are reduced to tiny hamlets and well, although it's visually quite "nice" it's nothing like having the real thing, like Horizon VFR UK, especially with some 3D enhancement like Treescapes or Revolution X.

 

I will definitely be moving back to Horizon VFR UK soon, and picking up Revolution X as soon as I do.

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Hi Dave,

 

I think one of the reasons I have been a little bit slow at replacing VFR Gen X with Orbx England / Wales were the mixed reviews, particularly of the Orbx England product. I had previously replaced the VFR Gen X Ireland series with Orbx Ireland, but that was a slightly easier decision as there were no treescapes available for Ireland and so it looked considerably less realistic and flat at low altitude than England / Wales with Treescapes. Knowing Ireland pretty well however I do miss the accuracy and detail of the Gen X Ireland scenery and am still in two minds as to whether the decision to replace it with Orbx was the right one! I was actually thinking of setting up a second FSX installation just for UK and Ireland using the Gen X scenery but that seems like a lot of trouble too! I do however try to reorientate my brain into accepting that Orbx is not a perfectly accurate replication of everything that is on the ground below, but this

is balanced by Orbx providing an amazing environment overall in which to fly. In general I feel that the Orbx scenery is fantastic, but perhaps it is at it's very best in areas you don't quite know so well, so that you don't find yourself looking for accurate details that are simply not there!!

 

Anyway I have decided to take the plunge on the basis of Novation's recommendation above and most of the comments on the other thread and have bought Revolution X and will keep the two Orbx products on ice for a little longer!

 

 

Well, if you decide to purchase it, it is in the AVSIM Market and we would appreciate your business. :biggrin:

 

Didn't know you had this available, but very happy to support Avsim - just waiting for my PayPal payment to be approved!

 

Bill

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Hmmm....have installed this eventually (it was a long drawn out process!) and nothing seems to have changed despite maxing my autogen sliders! Maybe I am doing something wrong but as far as I can see I have followed the installation instructions precisely. Currently trawling the forums to try to find a solution and will feedback if / when I get this up and running. Otherwise I might be back to the Orbx / Gen X dilemma!

 

Bill

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nothing seems to have changed despite maxing my autogen sliders!

 

So, you are seeing no Autogen over your GenerationX scenery?

 

Were you running any other Autogen such as Treescapes, or some of the freeware stuff that's out there?... Orbx FTX Global or other scenery packages that also come with Autogen?

 

If you look in one of your GenX regions Area/2.4m photo/Texture do you see lots of agn files?

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I've just bought it today too.

 

Installation was a breeze, and the product includes a GUI where you simply specify which Photoscenery products you own (Just Flight Real Scenery, Horizon X, Tile Proxy, etc) and after selecting those it just took care of everything.

 

I've only had a quick 10 min flight from my local airport but so far I am VERY impressed!

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I have watched a few YouTube videos showcasing Revolution X, and I have to say that it does not impress me at all. The trees look incredibly sparse when compared to ES Treescapes, and the buildings look rather bland and lifeless. I am far more interested in the upcoming Autogenesis packages from Earth Simulations (detailed autogen on top of 30cm resolution photoscenery), although each of these will only cover a small portion of the UK (I think they will match each "Area" of the GenX scenery, which means that one volume will cover one third of the area of a GenX photographic scenery volume). However, that doesn't matter to me. High quality, high density scenery (within reason) is what I want, and Revolution X (based on what I have seen so far) is way off the mark.

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Whilst it may still not be for everyone, and probably not for you Chris, I'd still say that the effect of Revolution X w/ Horizon X within the sim is far better than any screenshots I've seen of it so far.

 

It's the same with the Horizon X scenery itself; their own screenshots are pants!! ..... low resolution, poor AA, it amazes me they sold any units at all, with the screenshots that appear on the installer loading page.

 

However, in sim, with a high monitor resolution and good quality AA (for me nothing beats ATI Supersampling for Photoscenery), it's like a totally different product to that shown on the screenshots.

 

But like everything, it's probably not for everyone, as we all have different priorities, preferences and benchmarks.

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So, you are seeing no Autogen over your GenerationX scenery?

 

Were you running any other Autogen such as Treescapes, or some of the freeware stuff that's out there?... Orbx FTX Global or other scenery packages that also come with Autogen?

 

If you look in one of your GenX regions Area/2.4m photo/Texture do you see lots of agn files?

 

Almost no autogen - for example over Cardiff city just about 15-20 houses / industrial type buildings in one isolated area but otherwise most of the city had no autogen visible, just photoreal scenery.

 

I had Treescapes, but it was uninstalled and I have FTX Global which was set in FTX Central to Global (hybrid not checked). Have no freeware stuff.

 

In the Gen X regions there were thousands of AGN files in each of the 2.4m photo/Texture folders (varied from 20,000 to over 50,000).

 

The other thing I have noticed was that it seems to have messed up my UKXtreme scenery for EGCC, EGGP and EGNM which have disappeared, although all my other UKXtreme airports (have the whole collection) are intact!

 

Have now uninstalled Rev X and am thinking of making one further attempt at reinstallation before I make a leap to Orbx for this area too. If however I do reinstall, I am not quite sure what I need to do to nake a difference, because as Dave said, installation is a breeze!

 

Bill

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I own both Treescapes and this, and I do agree the tree density is maybe not as high, but, you obviously have buildings as well... As much as I like Treescapes, it does look rather odd just having trees and not buildings. Autogenesis will almost certainly be a better product than RevX, but currently this is the best option if you want to combine UK photoscenery with full Autogen, and at £20 is great value... Looking forward to seeing ES's new 30cm scenery, even if my PC isn't, and I dread to think how P3D will cope with it :unsure:

 

This is where RevX shines - around towns and cities.

 

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Tree density is not bad at all.

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I have FTX Global which was set in FTX Central to Global (hybrid not checked).

 

I wonder if this is the problem... I only tried the Global Iceland demo and no matter what options I used it did suppress the RevX Autogen, so I removed it. It maybe worth checking with OrbX or JF to see if there is a compatibility issue with these products... and a fix.

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This is where RevX shines - around towns and cities

 

I'm quite impressed and that is what I was expecting my cities to look like!! Nothing for it but to try again!

 

Bill

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I'm quite impressed and that is what I was expecting my cities to look like!! Nothing for it but to try again!

 

Bill

 

Hi Bill... did you see my edit re: FTX Global?... I was compiling my post when you added yours.

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I wonder if this is the problem... I only tried the Global Iceland demo and no matter what options I used it did suppress the RevX Autogen, so I removed it. It maybe worth checking with OrbX or JF to see if there is a compatibility issue with these products... and a fix.

 

Will look into that as I cannot see any other obvious cause.

 

By the way, ignore my comments about the three messed up UKXtreme airports - that was solved by moving them up to the top of the scenery library; so I suspect I was too hasty in blaming Rev X for that! Not sure what lead to that problem though as they have all been perfect where they were in the scenery library up until now!

 

Bill

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I love all the orbx sceneries away from the uk, and although I have all the orbx uk sceneries I didn't ibstall this time round on my fresh install. I love the accuracy of horizon gen x and earth simulations sceneries are the best combining photo scenery with auto gen, the Isle of Man is simply superb.

I am going to wait for there autogen and uk photo scenery updates then the uk will be awesome.

As said earlier orbx is brilliant if you don't really know the area.

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Well uninstalling and reinstallation appears to have been successful although I am not sure why it didn't work first time round! 

 

Having got it up and running, after a preliminary flight, I have to say that I am not quite sure if this will be for me! I find the buildings to be a bit bland  and in some areas they tend to look like a lot of warehouses and are a bit overpowering. Also their somewhat random placement detracts a little from the value of photoreal scenery in terms of being able to reconcile what you see in the FSX world with what you know should be the real appearance on the ground. For example, some landmarks such as sports stadiums, though still very identifiable in the photoreal element can be seen to have random buildings straddling them. In that sense it is almost 'Orbx-ifying' the GenX scenery and like Orbx, if you know the area well, you have to re-orientate your brain to accept that this is not a perfectly accurate replication of all that is on the ground.

 

I am perhaps nit-picking a bit too much in this criticism however and if you don't know an area particularly well I think this provides a great improvement over photoreal scenery alone especially when flying at low levels and adds considerably to the overall sensation of realism. I will therefore try to keep an open mind on Revolution X for the moment and spend many more hours doing some low level VFR flying across England and Wales before making a final decision on whether GenX/RevX or FTX England/Wales is the way to go for me.

 

Could I ask if, with the autogen sliders maxed out, whether I should be seeing autogen scenery for every small town and village or is it just not present for some of them? Many thanks by the way to all those who tried to help with my installation dilemma!

 

Bill

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Could I ask if, with the autogen sliders maxed out, whether I should be seeing autogen scenery for every small town and village or is it just not present for some of them? Many thanks by the way to all those who tried to help with my installation dilemma!

 

 

Hi Bill, glad you managed to get it installed.... however I do see buildings for small villages, in fact, almost every building seems to have a placement, at least in the part of Devon I'm flying at this moment, where even the smallest hamlets have a cluster of buildings.

 

I do agree with some of your criticisms, and mentioned some of those same points in the thread about RevX in the Photoscenery forum HERE  My main bugbear would be the industrial units, and the fact the defaul agn models are bland. Overall the alignment seems pretty good, but I think the scale of the default agn can push things over roads etc. I believe the landmarks, such as stadiums are from the default FSX objects, and are not Autogen... as far as I know RevX does not place these items, but I might be wrong about that.

 

With Orbx you do get a beautifully scaled scenery and precise Autogen, and I love the look and atmosphere their scenery creates, but it is just an approximation of the real thing for the most part. I have FTX for those places I don't know so well [or not at all]

 

Maybe give it some time, and see what Earth Simulations Autogenesis is like.

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Hi Bill, glad you managed to get it installed.... however I do see buildings for small villages, in fact, almost every building seems to have a placement

 

Good to know that most buildings seems to have an autogen placement - that was what I was hoping for with Rev X but not quite what I am seeing! As things have improved considerably however from my first installation, perhaps I will try yet another reinstall and see if that improves things further.

Many thanks for your help,

Bill

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It's a few days in for me with Revolution X, and I must admit I find some of the shine has worn off.

 

In my own area of North East England, there are quite a lot of 'errors' within Revolution X's autogen placement - such as some office blocks in the middle of fields.  There are also some areas where agn houses are covering roads or where they're just not aligned too well.

 

In areas of the coverage that I don't know well, I find it pretty convincing but when I am over Newcastle, Durham or Sunderland, then I am a lot less keen - seeing lot's of random buildings covering what I know is the 'real' world down there!

 

I mean, with photographic scenery that's the whole benefit you get isn't it? ....."I can see my house" factor.    But now, with Revolution X, my house is covered with some completely unrealistic autogen houses. They're nothing like my house in scale, size or alignment.   Am I expecting too much....... > of course :smile: .... there's no way they could model everyones houses lol! ...... but therein lies the problem ;

 

Photographic scenery is supposed to be 'real' and Revolution X makes into 'not real but quite ok looking'.

 

I am considering uninstaling Revolution X and re-installing Treescapes because Treescapes may only add trees, but it still gives an effect of depth and dimension, whilst preserving the accuracy of the actual buidings and homes of the photoscenery. 

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Well I have just succeeded in getting Revolution X to install properly and now autogen seems to be showing up in most areas where there should be buildings including individual little hamlets and even houses dotted throughout the country.

 

I am not however altogether happy with the appearance of the autogen - too many houses with red roofs and very grey walls making housing areas look exceptionally dull and uniform (IMO a large proportion of houses in the UK have white walls yet very few in RevX) and warehouse type slabs of buildings in the centre of bigger towns which just look completely out of character and which I really don't like. I wondered what my own house (in the middle of the countryside, was going to be like but it is one of the few houses not replaced by an autogen building so I can still recognize it's shape (that was a lucky break Dave!) and my car parked outside. 

 

But in saying all that, the overall effect is growing on me, now that it is all up and running as I assume it was intended and I have enjoyed a few hours flying in it this evening. But, as I mentioned a couple of posts above, I think this has succeeded in Orbx-ifying the Gen X photoreal scenery and, like Dave, I am having to overcome the "that building is in the wrong place" frame of mind when flying over areas with which am familiar. Leaving all that aside however and trying to ignore the fairly frequent random placement of autogen, this does provide a very realistic overall flying experience, especially when flying over an area you don't know. 

 

Although I am enjoying it more, the jury is still out for me on this one and I am asking myself am I better off with this or do I switch to Orbx England / Wales? There is one other factor to consider - I have certainly taken a frame rate hit with autogen maxed out using Rev X compared to what I was previously achieving over Gen X England and Wales and, although I have not encountered any OOMs yet, if they start occuring, then that might swing me towards Orbx.

 

Interesting times ....... we have scenery and realism quality in FSX now which is way beyond what was available even a year or two ago and which IMO is quite amazing! Although it may sound as if we are 'nit-picking' in some of these posts (mine included), I think we should be very greatful to those who develop these great addons for our hobby and, though not perfect, I think Rev X is a very good product.

 

Bill

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Good post and assessment Bill.

 

I think if I didn't already own Treescapes, I would probably go Orbx.   It's probably more difficult (or risky) for you to buy Treescapes in case you're not keen (meaning two scenery purchases and two lot's of hard earned cash wasted!).

 

With Orbx ENG you probably know what you're getting more.  I still think it's their most inferior product by quite a stretch, but it's definitely still "Orbx Land". :smlie:

 

I own Horizon X, Treescapes, Revolution X and Orbx ENG & SCO, and all things considered, I definitely prefer Horizon X with Treescapes overall.

 

I too saw a FPS hit with Revolution X; mainly because I had to have Autogen maxed out, (which I don't normally have), in order to get a decent coverage and effect.   But in city centres this meant a LOT of object placement and I saw some stutters / reduced FPS coming in.

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I think if I didn't already own Treescapes, I would probably go Orbx. It's probably more difficult (or risky) for you to buy Treescapes in case you're not keen (meaning two scenery purchases and two lot's of hard earned cash wasted!).



With Orbx ENG you probably know what you're getting more. I still think it's their most inferior product by quite a stretch, but it's definitely still "Orbx Land". :smlie:



I own Horizon X, Treescapes, Revolution X and Orbx ENG & SCO, and all things considered, I definitely prefer Horizon X with Treescapes overall.

 

Like you Dave, I already had Horizon X with Treescapes installed and I had bought Orbx England and Wales but never installed them, so I can't quite compare the three options! So I understand what you mean when you say you prefer Horizon X + Treescapes overall and I also feel a little like that particularly in terms of being able to identify houses, landmarks etc precisely with no randomly placed and at times monotonous looking autogen buildings overlying them. The other aspect of Horizon X is that the definition really is quite good particularly compared to photoreal scenery for the UK which I used in FS9 which was quite blurry.

 

Anyway, am home from work early and am planning a weekend flying around the UK (wife permitting!) and then will decide whether I will keep the Rev X combination, revert to Horizon X + Treescapes or install the Orbx scenery. I note the criticisms of Orbx England as being perhaps their poorest product, but does the same criticism apply to Orbx Wales I wonder? Have you used that?

 

Bill

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I just wondered if any other frequent UK flyers have tried this as yet? How does it look in use and is there a significant FPS hit or OOM effect, given the apparent large quantity of autogen combined with resource-hungry photoreal scenery?

 

Ooops, as I feared might happen, OOMs occurring after flying for about 30 mins, particularly in dense urban areas with major addon airports nearby. Using Process Explorer to monitor it, the VAS usage creeps up fairly steadily towards the 4GB threshold when flying the Horizon X / Revolution X combination, even over rural areas. I know that photoreal scenery does use a lot of virtual memory resources as it involves constantly loading lots of different files unlikely other scenery where there is repetitive use of many files, but previously flying Horizon X / Treescapes I could at least fly for a couple of hours over photoreal scenery in most aircraft apart from the well known high VAS demand types before having an OOM. For me OOMs when flying in non-photoreal scenery have been uncommon.

 

This might well influence my decision as to whether or not to continue using Revolution X - a pity!

 

Bill

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