PFE does a good job once you set it up but only problem now is it can't read your FMC profile and doesn't know your path as it can't read it.

 

For what it's worth, with your style of learning (everything at once, like drinking from a fire hose), you're going to find all of this very, very, very tough for a very long time.  You're not giving yourself enough time to learn the fundamentals of all of these things, and to make matters worse, you're only adding an unrealistic layer of difficulty by adding PFE into the mix.

 

I hate to say it, but ATC programs aren't going to help you whatsoever.

 

There's a reason air traffic controllers still exist as people, and haven't been replaced by computers.  The simple explanation is that computers suck at providing ATC.

Well what am doing is learning everything from descend to approach and missed approach thats why i have brought this topic up. Going through all manuals till i have some sort of understanding. Well for simulator i think PFE pulls it off compared to the rest and producers keep updating it which is good :)

Vernon,

 

I know you love PFE but when it tells you to descend 40 miles from your T/D, it's not doing you any favors! Its causing you problems.

 

I know you don't want to hear it, but Kyle is right. You're trying to do too much too fast. My advice is to put PFE aside and don't fly with it for now. Learn to fly the aircraft without ATC.

 

You have to learn to crawl (737NGX-wise) before you can walk. Then you have to know how to walk before you can run. Your approach to learning the 737NGX is that you want to run, right away. As Kyle correctly pointed out, with that approach, you're going to find things will be very tough for a very long time.

 

There's an old saying that goes like this: "You don't know what you don't know." You don't realize that some of your questions don't make any sense at all. You don't see that. You asked me a question once about extending flaps and when I gave you an answer, your reply was a reference in the FCOM regarding flap retraction. Do you see what I mean? You're so confused on multiple topics you don't realize it.

 

Vernon, we want to help you. We are here to help you. Hell, I still need help. But you have got to slow things down and you've got to put PFE aside. You are all over the map. If you don't take our advice and continue to push forward with using PFE and wondering why things aren't working the way you expect, there really isn't much else we can do to help you, right?

 

In closing I'll say this on a light note and hopefully a funny note: when I was training pilots in the full flight level D simulators for Boeing, we had a total of 22 sim sessions of 4 hours each. Sim session #7 was the first 'sim check ride'. This consisted of a full flight with all normal procedures, a normal flight (programming the FMC included) from take off to landing. May I say in light hearted way, you're trying to fly sim session #7 but you've not completed sim sessions #1 through #6.

I only introduced PFE after vatsim and before vatsim i never used ATC it was flying the 737 ngx solo plus 3 tutorials over and over again.

 

I have grasped some knowledge on the way, infact quite alot and still learning a very mass amount of information too. The reason i ask questions is to fill in the blanks at a topic i am studying. I do feel sometimes i do jump about and i see that.

 

Thanks for all the help and advice!

And about the flap retraction thats what i mentioned in my question i was right. So thats why i quoted the FCOM?

>And about the flap retraction thats what i mentioned in my question i was right. So thats why i quoted the FCOM? 

 

Yes Vernon, what you quoted in the FCOM was correct. However, the problem was, it had nothing to do with your original question. So, there was a disconnect and you were not aware that there was a disconnect.

And Vernon, just to echo what Ralph said in Post #33, we're definitely here to help.  I don't particularly agree with your method, because it truly will only serve to make things more confusing in the long run, but you will get it in the end.  With learning, there's no true right way, and there's no true wrong way, but that doesn't mean that some methods won't be more difficult that others.  As I mentioned in another thread a while ago: your passion to learn a ton of new things is really a gift - I wish a lot more people here had it - but you definitely have to be careful.  Ralph and I (both educators of some sort in our histories) know a bit about learning theory and all that, and we see that your handling of your passion is putting your learning on a course that will be very difficult.

 

So, it's completely up to you.  I think both of us will still be here to help regardless, but it's really tough to watch, and it's really tough to support (as Ralph mentioned earlier - because of the lack of certain basic aspects of your knowledge, you can't see that some of your questions/comments are tough to answer because they occasionally contain contradictory points, or misapplied knowledge).

 

 

 

 

Since Ralph provided an anecdote, I guess I will, too:

When I first started flying, I remember practicing all kinds of fundamentals.  Each time I looked at our plan for the lesson of the day, I would shake my head and think "ugh...this is so stupid...why do I have to waste time flying these things?  I just want to fly somewhere cool and fly back!  I want to fly like a real pilot, to a real destination, with my CFI as my 'passenger' and feel like I'm really doing it.  Stalls and turns and all that are just...well...boring and dumb."

 

It wasn't until later that I realized that power off stalls were taught to help you not only recover from your stalls, but also to help you round out your flare, and feel what that fully stalled condition feels like.  I didn't realize that, sure, S-turns and turns around a point help you adjust your ground track while maneuvering in circles and S's, but they're also to help you apply those concepts to things like your traffic pattern.  It was only then that I decided to appreciate them, and, despite them being so basic, and boring, to not hate them.

 

Every time I get a new add-on, the first thing I want to do is pull some flight off of FlightAware and fly my new toy on that route, but I still force myself to do the tutorials, and study up on its quirks.  Because I have a solid foundation from flight school and the fact that I've been simming for nearly two decades now, those transitions are relatively easy.

 

It's great to want to try all the cool things right off the bat.  If you try running before you can even walk, though, you're going to have a tough time, and you're going to be covered in bruises from tripping.  If that's how you want to do it.  Great.  It's going to be painful and overwhelming, but you'll still get there.  As long as you understand the people helping you out might get a little frustrated from time to time, and we understand that you're only asking these things because you're both passionate and curious, then I think we're on a good enough understanding.

 

 

 

Again, please don't take any of this as us being upset with you.  You're going to learn how you want to learn.  We're suggesting you take a little more time to understand the fundamentals of things, because it would help everyone out, but we're not going to stop helping if you don't heed that advice.

Thanks kyle and also ralph your support and knowledge is great and i'm going to take a step back now. I recently got AOA 737 ngx videos the whole lot and also you ge aviator 90 free which teaches you the basics like lift etc and stalls like you mentioned and hopefully things will click into place better.

 

Really do appreciate all the help from everyone on here but i'll keep plugging away and you might see the odd questions from me haha ;)

 

Thanks once again. Vernon!

 

 

I recently got AOA 737 ngx videos the whole lot and also you ge aviator 90 free which teaches you the basics like lift etc and stalls like you mentioned and hopefully things will click into place better.

Really do appreciate all the help from everyone on here but i'll keep plugging away and you might see the odd questions from me haha ;)

 

Ask as many as you'd like!  We might say "hold up a bit," but that would only mean that you might want to take a little more time getting to understand one topic before moving onto another.

 

The AOA stuff should really help - do the Aviator 90 stuff first, and then move onto the NGX stuff (my recommendation anyway).

 

...and you're welcome!

Will do,

 

thanks kyle :D

Do you know any good books or downloads for basic PPL knowledge stuff i can get my hands on? I looked at aviation oxford stuff for the uk...

 

 

Do you know any good books or downloads for basic PPL knowledge stuff i can get my hands on? I looked at aviation oxford stuff for the uk...

 

This is our own basic handbook over here in the United States:

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/pilot_handbook/

 

The rest of them are here:

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/

I recently got mike Ray b737 ng training syllabus Hand book. The begin is basic, but after it brings several interresting stuffs and methods to take-off Cruise landing and more. This book helped me to make link between thé real aircraft and the simulator.

Regards,

Is it worth buying for a simmer like me? I'll check it out :)

Is it worth buying for a simmer like me? I'll check it out :)

 

Yeah.  I think it breaks stuff down to pretty basic concepts so that just about anyone can understand it.  If I recall correctly, he adds in some humor too.

cool i'll buy it :)

Had a few good flights now with PFE and arriving at my FAF sometimes at the correct alt maybe +500 above, think i'll use speed brakes next time! Stayed in Vnav all the way down slowly understanding it all now :) just watched kyles youtube SYSK on understanding descends. Slowly but surely i'm getting there folks.

 

Once i pass below 10k i'm finding myself slowing down alot on these stars and causing the A/C to level off and its making me get above my profile. Now, will i need to deploy speed brakes to get a steeper descend going but still maintaing my speed rest?