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Howdy All

 

I like to set the window popups (PFD, ND, Upper/Lower EICAS, CDU L/R, etc) in certain positions so that I can use the practically and have them popup in convenient locations. However each time I re-start the sim (including loading from saved flights) - I have to redefine the positions. Saving the Panel State through the CDU PMDG menu isn't doing it. Is there a way I can get FSX/PMDG to "remember" the window states?

 

Ken

 

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Thats a very good question. Its kinda like why cant the backlight of the displays cant be saved to black. You are the first one that i know of that does this. I dont think there is a way to save it.

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Not sure if it works for the PMDG 777, but many other aircraft allow for this by Saving the Flight and when you boot in (go into the Cessna 172 first) and then reload the saved flight. It will take you to the location from which you saved the flight, but afterwards you can change to any airport you wish.

 

Hope this helps.

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Nope, saving the flight does not save the window configurations, nor where they pop up to, as far as I've been able to do.

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i dont think there is no way of saving it like that. ive tried all the possibilities this morning and nothing will pop up. You have to do it manually every time. There is one possibility which includes your aircraft.CFG, but that goes to a lot of time and configuring  with changing the location where they pop up. which possibly screw the whole plane up. I wont try to change anything and just do it manually. 

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Nope, saving the flight does not save the window configurations, nor where they pop up to, as far as I've been able to do.

 

 

I just did what I recommended to you, so it does work.  You'll need to undock the panels first.

 

 

Hope this helps.

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Also, there was a freeware program to save multiple panel states in the AVISIM Library... I'll try to search for it and report back if I'm able to locate it.

 

With the above in mind, just undock the panels and save the flight, and the next time you load FS load into the default Cessa and select Load flight from the FSX Menu bar, and your 2D panels will load just where you left them.

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Dave i have posted another thread similar to this and you sound like you have experience of undocked windows.

 

I'm running windowed and it saves the positions on my extra monitors but every time the 77 fires into life the undocked pfd nd etc do not fill the entire undocked window. They just display on the top left portion of the undocked window.

 

Any ideas if there is a fix for this.

 

Regards

 

Darren 

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Ah. I know it works when one is using Eye Infinity or NVIDIA Surround (just tested the PFD, ND and CDU - all resized before saving, and they loaded fine with one exception... they loaded to their original size though the window was the same, larger size as when saved but the actual PFD was the original size inside the saved window until the window was moved ever so slightly then it was back to the saved size.  FYI:  I run 3, 23" monitors.

 

I'm guessing you're trying to place the 2D panels on monitors just to display instruments.  Tough road on that... I'd direct you to the Cockpit Builders forum for that. There are also some freeware 777 gauges in the library, but I've not had time to even look at those.

 

Best of luck!

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Thanks All

 

I'm clearly doing something wrong. When I refer to popup windows, I mean pointing the mouse at the PFD until it changes symbol, then right clicking and having the window popup. I'm not referring to multiple monitor setups or additional views created through FSX File... menu structure.

 

In any event I'm clearly missing something and will go back to the drawing board and try again.

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I'm sure we're on the same page.  I'm on my way out, but I'll be on the OVPA voice server tomorrow morning if you'd like to drop by and discuss.  You can get the info on the OVPA website (see my signature below).

 

Hope we can get this worked out for you.

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Hi Ken,

 

Apologies i think i may have hijacked your post.

 

From my understanding if you want the positions saved you have to undock them and then move them to where you would like them and then save the flight.

 

Run FSX up again and load your saved flight and the panels should pop up where you saved them.

 

The only thing i'm not sure about is if FSX needs to be windowed or if it can be done in full screen mode. Because i have multiple screens i normally run windowed.

 

Regards

 

Darren

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I stand corrected. I don't know what I was doing last time, but having saved the flight with the windows where I want them, re-loading the flight does not display the windows, but right clicking on them (PFD, ND, CDU et) brings them up in the right places, which is fine.

 

Now if I could just settle on one configuration ...

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Are you guys mixing up windowed versus full screen FSX mode?

 

Because there is bo undocking when you fly in full screen mode.

undocking is a windowed mode thing only!

 

I use full screen mode on 3 displays and have to move the 2D popups to where I want every single time :-(

As far as I know it is not possible to save the flight and then at reboot of FSX have the 2D popups open automatically where you left them last time (in my case on another monitor).

They allways open up initially on the main FSX window :-(

 

Now I did recently read somewhere, that panels can be editited with notepad to open up at certain positions.

But I have not experimented with that though.

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Now I did recently read somewhere, that panels can be editited with notepad to open up at certain positions.

In the panel.cfg file there should be a "position=[1-8]" entry for each window. The numbers move it to different positions around the screen (don't know about multiple monitors). (There is also another variable that can position a given window more precisely). There is also a "visible=[0 or 1] entry for each window; 1 means make visible at startup. This may or may not work with popups (away from FSX computer for a few days). This is documented in the SDK. If either line is missing in a given window, just add it. Be sure to back up your panel.cfg file first!

 

Mike

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Now I did recently read somewhere, that panels can be edited with notepad to open up at certain positions.

But I have not experimented with that though.

 

Back at my FS computer and did a little experimenting.  Going into the panel.cfg file and setting position = [ number 1-8] does move the popup window around.  You can also position a popup more precisely by using instead "window_pos=x,y", where x is a percent of the horizontal length of the screen and y is a percent of the vertical length of the screen.

 

However the "visible" variable doesn't seem to do anything, probably as we are in VC mode.  So you still have to click on the panel DU or use Shift-X to get the popup to show.  But it pops up where you want it.

 

This also works with the CDUs and almost certainly w/ any other popup windows.

 

These changes will work w/ any new load of a T7, and don't involving reloading a particular flight or undocking windows.

 

Here is the entry for the upper center display screen (EICAS):

 

-----------------------------------

// Zoomed Upper DU

//

[Window09]

BACKGROUND_COLOR=10,10,10

size_mm=555, 555

window_size = 0.28906, 0.46250

window_pos=0.6,0.5 // <<PLACES THE UPPER LEFT CORNER ABOUT 6/10 ACROSS AND 1/2 DOWN.

//position=5  //<<NOTE THIS IS COMMENTED OUT TO AVOID CONFUSION AND UNCERTAINTY.

visible=1 //0 <<DOESN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING IN VC.

ident=412

zorder=95

 

gauge00=PMDG_777X!DU, 10, 10, 535, 535, 1 UPPER #13 ZOOM

 

------------------------------------

 

Mike

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This also works with the CDUs and almost certainly w/ any other popup

Thx for trying and reperting Mike.

 

Do you know how to edit the CDU for example so that when I click on it that it opens up on my second or third display?.....is that possible at all?

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Do you know how to edit the CDU for example so that when I click on it that it opens up on my second or third display?.....is that possible at all?

 

Hi, Rob,

 

Sorry I didn't answer sooner.  I don't have a multi-monitor setup so I'm not very familiar w/ how they work.  But: If it is an extended desk top, perhaps the window_pos variable would work -- it's more precise than just picking one of the available positions.

 

Mike

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Set everything as you want it but DONT close them.  Leave everything open as you want it saved.  It should retain everything, including your flight plan if you wish just as you set everything.  When you load it will display everything as you saved it.  If you close the FMC panels, they will revert to their original state and you will have to reconfigure.

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Set everything as you want it but DONT close them. Leave everything open as you want it saved. It should retain everything, including your flight plan if you wish just as you set everything. When you load it will display everything as you saved it. If you close the FMC panels, they will revert to their original state and you will have to reconfigure.

Finally had some time to try your suggestion.......which is saving a panel state with the popups where I want them rather than saving a flight with the popups as required.

 

correct?

 

That did not work :-(

 

I started from the default PMDG panel state (both engines running).

(FSX boots up on my 46" TV by the way in windowed mode)

 

Then I selected full screen mode from the FSX menu bar.

(at which point my 2nd and 3rd display go black (which is good and normal).

 

Situated on the runway I set up everything as required (flaps/switches/FMC/checklist/etc).

 

Next I moved the Capt PFD/ND/MCP/CDU and both EICAS to my other two 24" displays.

 

And finally I saved the panel state as is.

 

 

I closed FSX, created new 777 flight, let the 777 load, changed to full screen mode again and then I selected the previously saved panel state.

The 2D pop ups opened up on the TV just like they always do :-(

 

The only thing that was saved was the size of the panel states which is half the work, so that is a good thing :-)

 

Are you sure this is supposed to work....have you tried it in full screen FSX mode and more than one display?

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Naaaaaa.....I tried some more.......but as soon as you close FSX and reboot into a saved panel states all 2D popups are right back at default.

 

I dont think it is a bug though because as far as I know a panel state will just save the state the aircraft was in.....not the state FSX was in (like windowed mode/fullscreen mode and how many windows (or 2D popups) you have open or their size).

 

I will try Mike777s method now.

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I do it all the time. and yes the windows have to be undocked in order for it to save them this way. You will have to have multiple saved games (for every different livery you fly in if you want each and every plane to react the same way). when in the aircraft you want (say at the end of your flight) with the panels in the position you want save the game. once you restart your sim and select that saved game. the panels will be there. even on multiple monitors. if you try to go into a previous game where the you haven't done this. they will not change places miraculously. as far as making them open up on multiple monitors. yes they will. just don't click the close box to make them disappear. if you want to close them just click on the panel itself to make it return to its normal position. clicking on the panel again will re-open it in the position you selected

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I use full screen mode....not windowed so I can not undock.

 

Full screen = all displays black (except the main FSX window ofcourse....I like that better then seeing window borders and desktop background.

 

Note:Full screen mode still allows the 2D popup to be dragged to the other (black) displays!

 

Just a matter of taste though.

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Back at my FS computer and did a little experimenting.  Going into the panel.cfg file and setting position = [ number 1-8] does move the popup window around.  You can also position a popup more precisely by using instead "window_pos=x,y", where x is a percent of the horizontal length of the screen and y is a percent of the vertical length of the screen.

 

However the "visible" variable doesn't seem to do anything, probably as we are in VC mode.  So you still have to click on the panel DU or use Shift-X to get the popup to show.  But it pops up where you want it.

 

This also works with the CDUs and almost certainly w/ any other popup windows.

 

These changes will work w/ any new load of a T7, and don't involving reloading a particular flight or undocking windows.

 

Here is the entry for the upper center display screen (EICAS):

 

-----------------------------------

// Zoomed Upper DU

//

[Window09]

BACKGROUND_COLOR=10,10,10

size_mm=555, 555

window_size = 0.28906, 0.46250

window_pos=0.6,0.5 // <<PLACES THE UPPER LEFT CORNER ABOUT 6/10 ACROSS AND 1/2 DOWN.

//position=5  //<<NOTE THIS IS COMMENTED OUT TO AVOID CONFUSION AND UNCERTAINTY.

visible=1 //0 <<DOESN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING IN VC.

ident=412

zorder=95

 

gauge00=PMDG_777X!DU, 10, 10, 535, 535, 1 UPPER #13 ZOOM

 

------------------------------------

 

Mike

Thx for leading the way here:-)

 

I have made some progress.

Although I have not been able to edit the "Panel:cfg" file so that the pops open up to my other 2 displays per default, I have been able to:

 

1) resize (which is a lot of work if you have to do so before each flight).

 

2) have 2D popup open at a more convenient position WITHIN the main FSX panel (I drag from there)

 

3) enlarged the black border around the 2D popups so they are easier to drag around

 

4) change the priority of what 2D popup open on top of another 2D pop and what open below (hidden).

 

 

Here is my changed Capt PFD:

 

// 
// Zoomed Left Outboard DU
//
[Window07]
BACKGROUND_COLOR=10,10,10
size_mm=570, 570-------------------this increases the black border around the PFD for easier dragging (was 555)
window_size = 0.32, 0.54-----------increased size + changed ratio PFD is larger but still square on my 1080 display
position=3
window_pos=0.50,0.80-------------makes the PFD open up at 50% from left of the main FSX window and 80%  
visible=0                                         from the top. All I have to do from there is drag the thing down to my 3rd      
ident=410                                          monitor :-)
zorder=95----------------------------order of what lies on top (1-100). I changed my MCPs from 83 to 96 so they are                                                       always on top of the PFD/ND (zorder 95) when opened up. Of course this blocks                                                     the PFD/ND partially, but it is only so I can easily get to the MCP borders for                                                            resizing/dragging..

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I have made some progress.

Although I have not been able to edit the "Panel:cfg" file so that the pops open up to my other 2 displays per default, I have been able to:

1) resize (which is a lot of work if you have to do so before each flight).

2) have 2D popup open at a more convenient position WITHIN the main FSX panel (I drag from there)

3) enlarged the black border around the 2D popups so they are easier to drag around

4) change the priority of what 2D popup open on top of another 2D pop and what open below (hidden).

Here is my changed Capt PFD:

 

//
// Zoomed Left Outboard DU
//
[Window07]
BACKGROUND_COLOR=10,10,10
size_mm=570, 570-------------------this increases the black border around the PFD for easier dragging (was 555)
window_size = 0.32, 0.54-----------increased size + changed ratio PFD is larger but still square on my 1080 display
position=3
window_pos=0.50,0.80-------------makes the PFD open up at 50% from left of the main FSX window and 80%
visible=0 from the top. All I have to do from there is drag the thing down to my 3rd
ident=410 monitor :-)
zorder=95----------------------------order of what lies on top (1-100). I changed my MCPs from 83 to 96 so they are always on top of the PFD/ND (zorder 95) when opened up. Of course this blocks the PFD/ND partially, but it is only so I can easily get to the MCP borders for resizing/dragging..

 

Hi, Rob,

 

I hadn't experimented with Z order, so this is good to know.  Also, thanks for the idea about resizing the window so that there is a bigger border to "grab" around the popup.

 

One thing I would suggest:  comment out the "position= ??" variable like this: "//position= ??" as that is telling FSX something that contradicts the window_pos variable and might cause problems.  I would guess that placing "position=" after "window_pos=" would cause  "position" to override "window_pos", causing endless annoyance.  Or you could just delete the whole line.

 

The "visible= " variable, if set to 1, makes the window open on startup.  But unfortunately this only seems to work if you start in (2D) cockpit view.

 

Also want to add, regarding resizing a gauge, that the variables for the gauge itself position the gauge within the gauge window.  In the gauge below (from the same popup window07), 10,10 positions the gauge 10 mm in and 10 mm down from the top of the window; the first 535 is the width of the gauge, the second is the height of the gauge. 

 

gauge00=PMDG_777X!DU, 10, 10, 535, 535, 1 LEFT_OUTBD #11 ZOOM

 

Mike

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