Then go here http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20perf...comparisons.htmBrilliant !! :)Barry

Oh, that just refers to the new ones. Not much there, as the majority of the Piper fleet is older models anyway. You want to be confused????How about a Comanche 400, 260, 250 or 180, or a Cherokee 235 as as opposed to to a Cherokee "Charger" or "Pathfinder". Then there is the twin Comanche.Then, there is the Cherokee 6-260 and 6-300. How about a Lance? Straight tail or T-tail? The Arrow came the same way, and in in straight and T-tail versions, turbo version also, not to mention with "Hershey Bar" and "Semi-Tapered" wings over the years. The Arrow also came with 180 and 200 hp. A friend of mine has an Arrow IV, T-tail, but non-turbo. The Arrow you see today is basically an Arrow III, but why they retain the old cowling is beyond me.The Saratoga is just a PA-32, with the semi-tapered wing. It traces itself back to the incredible Cherokee 6. The Seneca, of which 5 models were produced, is just a twin-engine version of the Cherokee 6.A new 6-seat Saratoga TC can't even carry what my 4-seat 1980 Piper Dakota can. Oh yeah, there's another Piper not being built, just like the great Aztec and Navajo twins. A Seneca V? Nice plane for $800K, but I'll take a used Aztec F instead, or even an E or D model! A Cherokee 6-300 from 1971 has a useful load equal to or better than a new Seneca V.What about a Piper "Flight Liner"? I just saw one the other day, N711FL. Its original paint was VERY faded, but I could not mistake it as the aircraft I soloed in 30+ years ago. Yeah, it's a Cherokee 140.I'm just hitting the "tip of the iceberg" when it comes to Pipers, and that chart is doing about the same. It's just current production, which is a very small minority of the actual Piper fleet out there. These days total Piper sales of ALL models do not even equal sales of a single model back in the 60s and 70s.You get out to the airport and see what's out there, and that list will prove even more confusing!Ever seen a Piper Cadet? It's basically a Warrior with one less window on each side.Of course, there was the Archer, Archer II and Archer III.Shall we talk about the "Cherokees"? Aside from the Meridian / Malibu, they are the foundation of the Piper line today, and trace their heritage back over 40 years. PA-28 or PA-32, that's the foundation of today's Piper line, aside from the Meridian / Malibu.So, we have a Cherokee 180D and a Cherokee Challenger. What's the difference between them? How about a 1972 235F and a 1973 Charger? Five inches is the diference between those two. I used to own a Charger. Still many flying too.Again, that chart is just current production, and has little to do with the reality of the Piper fleet that remains flying, which is one heck of a huge fleet of varied types.No offence intended, BTW, but as a "Piper guy" I just want to point out that what is flying out there makes that list look like, well, makes me sad. It's just current production, not the reality of the great Piper fleet that is out there.Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

I soloed in a Cadet. It also lacks a baggage door. It's also not nose heavy with neutral trim like the Warrior IIIs are.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

The Piper Meridien is at 260kts?The Flight1 Piper Meridien screams "Overspeed" at 180kts or so.Hmmmmm...

>The Piper Meridien is at 260kts?>>The Flight1 Piper Meridien screams "Overspeed" at 180kts or>so.>>Hmmmmm...Don't confuse KTAS (KnotsTrue Airspeed) with KIAS (Knots Indicated Airspeed)...The specs in that chart are citing TAS, which is ALWAYS higher than IAS when at cruise altitude...