hi , I have just changed from flt sim 2000 to flt sim 2004.When I use the flight planner, I can fly the route ok.But when given atc instructions to the ils runways i cannot get established on the ils .I either over fly the runway or never see it at all .I have been trying this for eight hours and still no luck .anyone know what i am missing ?

I've never had a problem with it. Are you set to the correct frequencies for the ILS? Is the OBS1/HSI slaved in NAV or GPS mode (I've made that simple yet potentially catastrophic blunder in real-world instrument training)? Are you recieving the correct signal? In the real-world you'll tune and identify a frequency to make sure you've got the right station. Hit volume knob on the NAV1 or the NAV1 button on the radio volume controls. It should start sending out a set of morse code. In Spokane on the ILS RWY 21 with I-GEG 111.1 tuned in you should hear ** --* * --*, basically dit-dit, dah-dah-dit, dit, dah-dah-dit. Let me know if you get it working again.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

>hi , I have just changed from flt sim 2000 to flt sim 2004.>When I use the flight planner, I can fly the route ok.>But when given atc instructions to the ils runways i cannot>get established on the ils .>I either over fly the runway or never see it at all .>I have been trying this for eight hours and still no luck .>anyone know what i am missing ?I've only seen this at a couple of airports. (Can't remember which ones) What happens is you are vectored to intercept the ILS too far back, out of range of the ILS. My guess is a problem with the airports AFCAD, Probably the markers are too far back. What airports ar you trying? Also are they default, or an Addon. Or does it have a 3rd party AFCAD file. You can check this in your addon sceneryscenery folder. You may have files there with a .bgl extention with airport codes in them, possibly formatted like this example AF2_KBOS.BGL There may be others, but they should include the airports code. like Boston Logan (KBOS) in the example above.

hi , it is the EBBR (Brussels INT )I have no add ons or extra'sI fly towards the ils but when I engage the app button it either fly's straight passed or the airfield is right underneath you :(

Hi John ,I am at present flying a route from the flight planner in 2004.I fly the route using the heading hold but when I arrive near the airfield and I press the app after recieving the ils info, I either miss the airfield all together or the airfield s right below me and the app keeps circling the aircraft :(

Is the GPS/NAV switch set to NAV? (I'm assuming default aircraft/panel here). It needs to be for the approach, if it's in GPS the APP function on the autopilot will not be able to capture the ILS.And just out of curiousity, you could always hand fly the ILS, it does happen in real life. :-)Hope this helps,Ian

>Is the GPS/NAV switch set to NAV?This might very well be the cause, and it is a mistake I frequently used to make too. In the transition from flying a GPS flightplan to approach, you have to switch the GPS/NAV switch back to NAV.What I do now, is to first switch the autopilot from NAV to HDG,(with a heading set to intercept the ILS) and then switch the GPS/NAV switch to NAV-mode. After I see that the NAV unit is reveiving the correct ILS signal and the aircraft is in a good position, I switch the autopilot to approach. This way I know exactly what the autopilot is going to do.Allard.

thanks Ian will try that :)

thanks alardwill give it a try

if it's in GPS the APP function on the autopilot will not be able to capture the ILS.While this is true if you are flying your flight plan course - it is not true if you select and activate an ILS approach with the GPS.In the GPS mode with an ILS approach selected and active - the GPS will fly the aircraft to the threshold. It may not actually ride the ILS beam, but will fly the aircraft to landing just as well as AI aircraft land at that airport.

If you fly the route direct to the airport and press APP when the ILS becomes active then you can be too close.You need to intercept the localiser at about 10nm from touchdown and at about 30 deg. It's most unlikely that a flight planner heading will achieve that - the heading will take you direct to the centre of the aerodrome. You need to change your course as you approach your destination to intercept the localiser as suggested.

I know the real-world Garmin 430s that one of our flight school's aricraft had would automatically tune the ILS freq in NAV 1 and swtich from GPS to NAV mode. I never could get the MSFS2004 Garmin 500 to do it though.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

Some good advice above on switching or not fron GPS to HDG and Auto Pilot. Neverteless make sure of the following:In FS9 you can only capture the ILS from below, not like in previous versions.If you use FSNav you can get the capture altitude at a distance of 5 miles from landing by clicking your mouse on the start of the runway you have selected. You might have to zoom out somehow to get a clearer picture. I normally go down some 100 feet from what FSNav indicates (or an approach chart).Edmundo

Mine wasn't about the autpilot, just that the real-world Garmin 430 (dunno if the 500 does it) will auto-tune the ILs for you and switch from GPS to NAV mode so that the OBS is showing the ILS, not the GPS course.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach