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ASN did it (after 3 days) .. REX is coming today (after 4 days) .. but the guys at ORBX? When I asked to have an approx time/date they replied "when it's ready" .. they must have forgot how much they are pricing their products (and I have them all).

Does any insider know how long we should wait? I'm impatient OK, but I have my own reason that surely won't interest the forum... I just wanted to know why they need so much time to update their library... what are they doing exactly?

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ASN deleted the link to the beta version for P3Dv3.2, probably because it's not working ok yet. So, for the time being we're waiting for ASN as well.

Edward

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what are they doing exactly?

They are working on a free update... :hi:

ASN deleted the link to the beta version for P3Dv3.2, probably because it's not working ok yet. So, for the time being we're waiting for ASN as well.

Edward

 

Odd. Works perfectly fine here although I did read about some having problems with how far they can see (they see too far no matter what settings they use).

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ASN is working for me. They might have deleted the link to the beta version because of prepar3d V3.2  hotfix update.

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They are working on a free update... :hi:

 

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE??????? Man this is the most expensive addon i purchased for this sim and do you call it FREE? I take it as a sarcastic reply otherwise I would be offended by the comment. :) ...i f* spent hundred euros on this orbx tenth separates addons (every single one priced like pure gold).

ASN deleted the link to the beta version for P3Dv3.2, probably because it's not working ok yet. So, for the time being we're waiting for ASN as well.

Edward

 

It should be on their forum because it's labeled "beta" ... but so far it's working for me.

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Well, I have to concur with you on this, Npole. And, no I am not moaning. I'm just saying that strangely, they have taken long this time. Hey, they know why though; maybe some technical issues. so, let's just wait. As long as they don't charge ($$$$$$) for the installer, I'm fine.

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Taking a long time if you call four days a long time due to some change LM made that blind sided some developers but whatever LM did man this time it was worth it as the difference in this version of P3D is day and night from all the others and I am good with that

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Taking a long time if you call four days a long time due to some change LM made that blind sided some developers but whatever LM did man this time it was worth it as the difference in this version of P3D is day and night from all the others and I am good with that

 

It's the risk of selling very expensive products, if you decide to make money from a product you should take care of the issues you could encounter to support your customers.

If you aren't capable of doing so (because of LM.. or whatever other reason) then you should reconsider your business model.

That's how the businesses work out there: I run a business as well, if my products stop to work suddenly all my customers will blame at me if i'll tell them: "It will work when it will work..." ... without giving any sort of explanation.

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It's the risk of selling very expensive products, if you decide to make money from a product you should take care of the issues you could encounter to support your customers.

If you aren't capable of doing so (because of LM.. or whatever other reason) then you should reconsider your business model.

That's how the businesses work out there: I run a business as well, if my products stop to work suddenly all my customers will blame at me if i'll tell them: "It will work when it will work..." ... without giving any sort of explanation.

 

Sorry have to disagree - I dont think rex is expensive and they have been updating it for years at no cost - I think we owe them not the other way around

 

I hear your point but things happen in life to many businesses that cant be foreseen - look at the Boeing 787 battery issue for example 

 

They are not blaming anyone publicly that I have seen and working very hard to sort it out - a bit of patience is key

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Sorry have to disagree - I dont think rex is expensive and they have been updating it for years at no cost - I think we owe them not the other way around

 

I hear your point but things happen in life to many businesses that cant be foreseen - look at the Boeing 787 battery issue for example 

 

They are not blaming anyone publicly that I have seen and working very hard to sort it out - a bit of patience is key

 

Btw I was talking about ORBX.. REX isn't cheap tho... but at least they will come up with an update today... however ORBX is hundred euros (depending of what you will purchase).

However patience apart.. closing the threads (they just closed another thread made by other users on their forum) without giving details isn't that smart.. you may label us as impatient kids, but the hell, we paid for it, we are customers, give us some exact info instead of closing the threads with a "it will be ready when it'll be ready".

Btw updater it's finally here: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/98755-objectflow-offline-updater/

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Btw I was talking about ORBX.. REX isn't cheap tho... but at least they will come up with an update today... however ORBX is hundred euros (depending of what you will purchase).

However patience apart.. closing the threads (they just closed another thread made by other users on their forum) without giving details isn't that smart.. you may label us as impatient kids, but the hell, we paid for it, we are customers, give us some exact info instead of closing the threads with a "it will be ready when it'll be ready".

Btw updater it's finally here: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/98755-objectflow-offline-updater/

 

Sorry thought you were talking about REX - objectflow has been updated see topic here

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/485001-objectflow-updated-for-p3dv32/#entry3387446

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FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE??????? Man this is the most expensive addon i purchased for this sim and do you call it FREE? I take it as a sarcastic reply otherwise I would be offended by the comment. :) ...i f* spent hundred euros on this orbx tenth separates addons (every single one priced like pure gold).

 

It should be on their forum because it's labeled "beta" ... but so far it's working for me.

 

 

Well it's an update... and it's free... so yes...

 

But re-reading your writing style, wondering if you're 12...

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give us some exact info instead of closing the threads with a "it will be ready when it'll be ready".

 

Ed posted on Tuesday AEST about the process involved, do you think its a 5 minute fix, and if you whine about how long it takes because your a paying customer of course they will close down the threads, these are Free updates, they are not obligated to provide you with any Free patches for P3d, John Venema has kindly provided regular ongoing support for P3d and FSXS, which cost`s him $,

 

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/111956-p3dv3-updates-and-objectflow/

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they are not obligated to provide you with any Free patches for P3d

 

Yes they are, I purchased it with/for P3D v3 support, this is v3.2 not a major version update. Don'tr try to defend poor support with poor excuses. However the new lib, after 4 days, is out and that's the only point that interest to me.. I don't care about anything else, neither others opinions.

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Yes they are, I purchased it with/for P3D v3 support, this is v3.2 not a major version update. Don'tr try to defend poor support with poor excuses. However the new lib, after 4 days, is out and that's the only point that interest to me.. I don't care about anything else, neither others opinions.

If you don't care about others' opinions, then just write to orbx support and don't waste our time posting here...

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Yes they are, I purchased it with/for P3D v3 support, this is v3.2 not a major version update. Don'tr try to defend poor support with poor excuses. However the new lib, after 4 days, is out and that's the only point that interest to me.. I don't care about anything else, neither others opinions.

 

You must think writing programs is a breeze.  A lot of these programs work by "hooking" into the programs.  It's not just a matter of updating the variables...it's actually hacking the .exe

 

Finding the hooks in the new build takes time..it doesn't take five minutes.  It can take days to find the hook in the new exe.  And it doesn't mean that hook will work the same.  It may have to be tweaked, or altered in ways that take a day or more to reprogram.

 

These programs cost a lot because they are very time consuming.  You moan that your money is precious...well, the time these guys put in is precious too.  THAT is what you are paying for....their time away from their spouses, their kids, their hobby.  They are not obligated to update it.  That's the chance you take when you buy a program.  There are many programs out there that have never seen an update past initial release. 

 

Take a step back and count yourself fortunate that these guys still work for your benefit.  This isn't the only thread you have made your demands in, I've seen you in REX and Hifi with ths same tone) and it does not come off well.  And I agree with Carlos, you sound like a spoiled teenager.  This community is very helpful and an ounce of nice goes a long way.

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If you don't care about others' opinions, then just write to orbx support and don't waste our time posting here...

 

No, people should know how's the support out there, however thanks for your suggestion.

You must think writing programs is a breeze.  A lot of these programs work by "hooking" into the programs.  It's not just a matter of updating the variables...it's actually hacking the .exe

 

Finding the hooks in the new build takes time..it doesn't take five minutes.  It can take days to find the hook in the new exe.  And it doesn't mean that hook will work the same.  It may have to be tweaked, or altered in ways that take a day or more to reprogram.

 

These programs cost a lot because they are very time consuming.  You moan that your money is precious...well, the time these guys put in is precious too.  THAT is what you are paying for....their time away from their spouses, their kids, their hobby.  They are not obligated to update it.  That's the chance you take when you buy a program.  There are many programs out there that have never seen an update past initial release. 

 

Take a step back and count yourself fortunate that these guys still work for your benefit.  This isn't the only thread you have made your demands in, I've seen you in REX and Hifi with ths same tone) and it does not come off well.  And I agree with Carlos, you sound like a spoiled teenager.  This community is very helpful and an ounce of nice goes a long way.

 

1) They should talk to LM and prepare their stuff the same day a game update is released;

2) If they have to "find" hooks like a "hacker" then they are doing it wrong, this is not freeware;

3) Related to the point 2) They are doing this for profit not to please me;

4) Thanks for your opinion.

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1) They should talk to LM and prepare their stuff the same day a game update is released;

 

2) If they have to "find" hooks like a "hacker" then they are doing it wrong, this is not freeware;

 

3) Related to the point 2) They are doing this for profit not to please me;

 

4) Thanks for your opinion.

 

1. Wow...if you can get LM, who is in the military defense business, to talk to all these guys, then my hat off to to you.  You seem to know a lot more than I.

 

2. As for "hooking", again, if you could talk to LM and ask them to build an SDK that allows all these parameters to be altered (since you think they have lots of time to spend on that too), then I'll pay you!  Without an SDK that allows controls of these variable, hooking is the only way it can be done.  And you'll never find freeware hooking into programs...it takes a lot of time and effort to do this.

 

3.  Right...but they could abandon it if they wanted too.  If they never updated it again, what would you do?  Exactly.  Nothing.  There is no obligation past the initial release.  Everything else is gravy.

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Wait.. you're doing a business with modding and don't you contact the developer which is working at the product you're releasing the mods for?

When you run a business you're taking risks... isn't fair to load all those risks to the customer, because you're asking money for it.

Sure they can abandon it.. and refund me... someone else with a better business model will take their place, it's how the commerce work.

Again, they did what they had to do, so I have no reason to continue to blame at em.... now it's REX turn. :)

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Yes they are, I purchased it with/for P3D v3 support, this is v3.2 not a major version update. Don'tr try to defend poor support with poor excuses. However the new lib, after 4 days, is out and that's the only point that interest to me.. I don't care about anything else, neither others opinions.

Ridiculous

 

 

If you don't care about others' opinions, then just write to orbx support and don't waste our time posting here...

 

Better Yet, Npole get one on one with JV on their forums, and let us know how it goes.

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Better Yet, Npole get one on one with JV on their forums, and let us know how it goes.

 

lol!  Now that's funny!  :)

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Ridiculous

 

 

 

Better Yet, Npole get one on one with JV on their forums, and let us know how it goes.

 

I dunno who's JV.. there's a good bunch of people on ORBX forums writing exactly what I wrote above, the mods were desperately closing the threads.. and finally they understand that it was time to release the updated library.. so mission accomplished, and that's what I wanted. ;)

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No, people should know how's the support out there, however thanks for your suggestion.

 

Most here do know how Orbx support is.  It's not perfect (and lord knows JV can be a prickly fella), but it is still near the top of the heap when it comes to sim products, but thank you for your concern for making sure we stay informed. 

 

The quality and longevity of support is one of the biggest reasons I committed to the Orbx world long ago.  Products I bought YEARS ago from Orbx for FSX are now supported in FSX SE and all P3D versions at NO ADDITIONAL COST - sim versions that in many cases weren't even DREAMED of at the time of my original purchase.  This developer is one of the true good guys when it comes to on-going support.  To complain, as you have, that it took an agonizing (italics added to indicate extreme sarcasm for the sarcasm impaired) 4 days to update for the new version of P3D for their entire range of products is beyond absurd.

 

You had to wait 4 Days?  I sometimes wonder why anyone would want to develop products for the sim community and put up with this kind of entitled complaining.

 

Scott

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You had to wait 4 Days?  I sometimes wonder why anyone would want to develop products for the sim community and put up with this kind of entitled complaining.

 

Money.

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Sure they can abandon it.. and refund me... someone else with a better business model will take their place, it's how the commerce work.

 

I'm putting into Microsoft for a refund on FSX...they never finished it and abandoned it.  It's how commerce works, right.  I'll let you know how that goes...

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