Someone posted that if it takes "FSUIPC" to make it work, something else is wrong.  I agree, and my MFG pedals and Brunner force feedback yoke work fine without FSUIPC.

 

I didn't see anyone else mention it, so I will.  The C182 shouldn't require any gymnastics to fly.  If I was seeing random erratic control behavior, one thing I'd check would be the P3D axis assignments.  Sometimes, P3D assigns duplicate axis assignments, e.g., rudder axes to more than one controller.  I'd look to make sure only the proper controller axes are assigned, and delete the others.  If controllers are assigned and calibrated correctly, the C 182 should be stable in all flight regimes.

 

One last thing - someone recommended forward pressure on the yoke to "hold the airplane on the ground" on takeoff.  Don't.  That's what elevator trim is for.  Use the takeoff setting for trim and forget the yoke.  If trim is set properly, no yoke pressure should be required either direction, and the airplane should fly itself off the ground with very light back pressure on the yoke, if any at all.

 

I have probably a couple dozen add-on aircraft including all of the A2A GA aircraft and the fact that I'm have an issue with an aspect of the flight model of ONE of those add ons does not point to a grand sweeping controller problem with my setup. I don't know what the common denominator is in regards to why some people have this problem and some don't. A duplicate-axis-assignment would certainly manifest itself in a larger way than for a split second on takeoff in one specific aircraft.

 

That said, I have been playing with FSUIPC's joystick assignments/calibration over the last few days and it has most certainly made a difference for me. The snap-yaw on liftoff has been reduced significantly and now I get more of a gentle left rolling tendency which feels natural. I have to say I've owned FSUIPC for several years and have never played with the joystick calibration features because i though they were redundant and not for the general off-the-shelf-controller crowd, but I've been really liking the level of control it offers, not just for the A2A 182 but other aircraft in general. I really like the slope feature which allows you to tone down the "twitchiness" that some aircraft have if you so desire. The profile-specific settings are also huge bonus.

 

I'm happy for you that you don't need to use FSUIPC with your super high-end controllers, but not everyone can afford or justify spending $2K for a yoke and pedals. I'm using a CH FlightStick Pro and FSUIPC has helped dial in my controls better than the default P3D settings. Thanks to Pete Dowson for single-handedly putting out such a great piece of software and supporting it as well as he does.

I have probably a couple dozen add-on aircraft including all of the A2A GA aircraft and the fact that I'm have an issue with an aspect of the flight model of ONE of those add ons does not point to a grand sweeping controller problem with my setup.

 

I'm happy for you that you don't need to use FSUIPC with your super high-end controllers, but not everyone can afford or justify spending $2K for a yoke and pedals.

 

I agree that control issues with only one sim a/c probably doesn't point to setup problems. 

 

I actually had been having some control issues myself, and I discovered that P3D v3.2 had somehow screwed up my control settings big-time.  I found multiple duplicate axis assignments.  I also found that the exe.xml file in the P3D root folder required to enable my Saitek panels contained some oddball stuff that didn't belong there at all, preventing them from working.  All fixed now.

 

I personally lost interest in A2A planes due to their fetish with maintenance - I want to fly my sim planes, not fool around with silly things breaking all the time.  In real life, one doesn't have to spend time in a "maintenance hangar" every time one flies his airplane.  Plus, I've actually spent more time and money in real life maintenance hangars than I care to remember, and I don't need to re-live it when I sim. 

 

I justify the cost of my sim controls by thinking about how much I used to have to spend to keep my real airplanes flying.  :wink:  This is small in comparison.

That said, I have been playing with FSUIPC's joystick assignments/calibration over the last few days and it has most certainly made a difference for me. The snap-yaw on liftoff has been reduced significantly and now I get more of a gentle left rolling tendency which feels natural.

 

I just picked this part out of the post, because......

 

First of all, I don't use  FSUIPC. Never have. I use a Saitek X52 joystick & Saitek rudder pedals.  Don't have P3D either.

 

But, my C-182, has a bit of left rolling tendency too. If the rudder is right trimmed for left yaw (which there will always be, with a clockwise turning prop), then the plane shouldn't want to dip to the left, especially when loaded evenly with passengers & fuel.  If there is yaw, then there would be roll-coupling, which would cause the left wing to dip. When I'm correcting the yaw, which seems a bit weird with the "ball", I'm still getting that bit of left roll.   Added to that, even though the centering spring in my joystick is light, it's still more of a sensation, than the actual roll forces would be on a Cessna 182's yoke. Therefor it's more noticeable.

 

If I had a real 182, I'd be looking at everything to eliminate the roll. And if needed, adjust the concentric bolts in the rear spar.

 

As to maintenance, mentioned in the post before this. I'm the same. I spent decades of real life airplane maintenance, and don't care to do it in the sim. I just hit the maintenance button (or whatever it's called) every time I try to fly  the 182 up a quickly rising mountain canyon to duck under KSLC's airspace, at the top. The 182 always clobbers the trees and bends the prop.  My real life RV, with two aboard, flew this canyon effortlessly.  :smile: 

Here we go again with the maintenance hangar/realism/"I just want to control-E and fly" thing again. If you don't like the realism and depth, why not just fly a Carenado or something?

Here we go again with the maintenance hangar/realism/"I just want to control-E and fly" thing again. If you don't like the realism and depth, why not just fly a Carenado or something?

lol, because having a realistic flight model isn't really in the carenado hangar?

 

That's a ridiculous comment. What if you want the very nice fde without the maintenance aspect?

 

Besides, you can just switch off the maintenance aspect of the a2a aircraft anyway.

I was not lucky enough to fly/own a real aircraft. I am extremely glad that there is a developper who offers me models that make me aware of the consequences of the normal wear and tear and of my handling of their aircraft. Accusim  is not about maintenance, it is about consequences.

lol, because having a realistic flight model isn't really in the carenado hangar?

 

That's a ridiculous comment. What if you want the very nice fde without the maintenance aspect?

 

Besides, you can just switch off the maintenance aspect of the a2a aircraft anyway.

 

Sorry but to me it's ridiculous to complain about A2A's maintenance and realism aspect. It's the whole point of those products. There are many other aircraft to choose from with reasonably realistic flight models.

I agree that control issues with only one sim a/c probably doesn't point to setup problems.

 

I actually had been having some control issues myself, and I discovered that P3D v3.2 had somehow screwed up my control settings big-time. I found multiple duplicate axis assignments. I also found that the exe.xml file in the P3D root folder required to enable my Saitek panels contained some oddball stuff that didn't belong there at all, preventing them from working. All fixed now.

 

I personally lost interest in A2A planes due to their fetish with maintenance - I want to fly my sim planes, not fool around with silly things breaking all the time. In real life, one doesn't have to spend time in a "maintenance hangar" every time one flies his airplane. Plus, I've actually spent more time and money in real life maintenance hangars than I care to remember, and I don't need to re-live it when I sim.

 

I justify the cost of my sim controls by thinking about how much I used to have to spend to keep my real airplanes flying. :wink: This is small in comparison.

This is a little off topic but I've had problems with a Saitek throttle messing with my P3D control settings also. Once every 4-5 starts P3D would completely forget my controller assignments and do silly stuff like assigning the aileron axis to my throttle lever. I could fix this by restarting P3D and loading my saved controller assignments again. i thought this was a P3D thing but a few months ago I replaced the Saitek throttle quadrant with a CH Products one because I wanted the six levers for twins, and upon doing this the problem with P3D forgetting my controller assignments completely disappeared.

 

I am 100% with you on the maintenance issue. For me flight simming is something I do for enjoyment, and I personally don't enjoy the "virtual maintenance" aspect of it, although I know that many people do and I think it's pretty amazing that A2A gives that option. I think systems modeling with this degree of realism can be a tremendous training tool for a student pilot; I wish P3D/A2A had been around 35 years ago when I was learning to fly, but as you say, at this point I'd rather focus on other things that I enjoy more than maintenance.

 

Here we go again with the maintenance hangar/realism/"I just want to control-E and fly" thing again. If you don't like the realism and depth, why not just fly a Carenado or something?

If you don't like what's being discussed in this thread, why not just find another one or something?

Sorry but to me it's ridiculous to complain about A2A's maintenance and realism aspect. It's the whole point of those products. There are many other aircraft to choose from with reasonably realistic flight models.

A realistic flight model does not constitute wanting a "control e" product. Isn't the point of simulation that you get to simulate the bits you want to? Personally I have done enough real world walk around a of high wing cessnas that the last thing I want to do is perform one in a sim. However, what I do want is an awesome flight model with realistic aspects in terms of handling and instrumentation. A2a still fit that bill. Name me one other addon Cessna 182 with as accurate fde as the a2a model? Please don't say carenado.......

 

I'm sure Larry feels the same as he has had the pleasure of owning many aircraft.