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Anyone else downloaded this incredible aircraft?This is, IMHO, Dreamfleet's 737 quality finally here.Cockpit, passengers views, gps on screens within cabin...etc.Also flys when I get it started! A real need to read docs aircraft this..cold and dark start really cold and very dark.Couple of quirks with lights but knowing how to do things makes it a brilliant but challenging 737.Oh, did I say it was free?Thank you!

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"Anyone else downloaded this incredible aircraft?"Yes, me and about 5000 other simmers. I just noticed it isn't showing up in the Avsim library though for some reason.... Last time I looked there had been over 4500 downloads. Flightsim had over 590.I started a thread on Oct 19th at http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=search or search on Scheffel.It is a fantastic plane. I hope Arjan will build some other planes with those features. I am spoiled to his plane. I miss the automated checklist, the announcements, etc. etc.Thanks again Arjan!Earl

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I can't find it in the librry? Not under the authors' name or what I think was the filename. Anybody?

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Couldn't find it either, I downloaded it at Flightsim.com a little while ago.Only problem I see so far, besides the fact I can't start it :), is that the wheels are half buried in the taxiway.Looks like a great package overall.Jim

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If I'm not mistaken, it was removed because of PMDG bitmaps being included in the package.

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Earl, as for missing announcements if you were not aware, get the fdsfxpnl.zip here at AVSIM, plus there is a bunch of add-on sets for SWA, Delta, and more. Let me know if I can be of any help.The most time spent is getting the numbers correct in the panel cfg. After doing this for the last year or so, it's a breeze adding it to any aircraft. I have already added it to the Flight1 ATR, Dreamfleet 727, PMDG737, Ariane737 etc... As far as GA, I use the airport ambience files in the panel. It is not the same without having it it once you have tried it. One other thing I also do is, I have live ATC or archived ATC files playing from my other computer's media player all the time through a headphone mixer to my sim machine. I got them at Liveatc.net It really adds alot to the immersion.Best regards, Jeff

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Hi Jeff,Yeah, I have been looking at that addon for a week or so and wondering if I wanted to try it... I probably will. The difference between the Scheffel announcements and the fdsfx system is the Scheffel announcements are cleverly connected to flight control actions and other triggers. It "knows" you are at flight altitude and are decending, just at the right time, the fasten seat belts announcement starts... without you clicking anything to make it start! It is amazing.Thanks again for your recommendation and kind offer of help.I'll probably try the fdsfx panel.Does anyone have any more info as to why the Scheffel plane was pulled from the library? It is still at Flightsim. Which bit maps are supposedly from PMDG? I don't have the PMDG plane so I don't have a reference.Have a great day!Earl

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I am happy to have started this thread...see follow up later in the day, the thread is starting to cook!I found out about 737-800 on Fs Passengers site, thought I would have a try, connected from passengers to Avsim, got plane and gasped at detail and whole package.It really is a beaut.Airbus 300-200 is my current Passengers aircraft with my hanger holding the superb 767 Opensky via Chris Jeunne. Each has its own learning curve, but what a fabulous choice of sim Jets to fly......I am in awe of these makers skills...thanks to them all.What a delight to fly with passengers, decide your route, then pick one of these fabulous aircraft according to time, distance and arrival airport.CXhris Jeunne has been a terrific help, which I appreciate as he has a VERY busy life, and I e-mailed and received detailed help by return. After a hard day killing kids, (I teach) I look forward to my downtime on Fs9. Its not now only where am I going tonight, but what wonderful commercial jet am I going to fly, and, will my passengers live??(lol)Great fun...thanks guys.

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>Hi Jeff,> Which>bit maps are supposedly from PMDG? I don't have the PMDG>plane so I don't have a reference.>EarlEarl, unfortunately it *seems* that the side views are copies of the PMDG 737s.They are exactly the same as my PMDG 737 side view bitmaps.Pity really, it's a remarkable package that I fly regularyDave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/

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Much as I am a leading supporter of the freeware genre, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about here. This is a repackaging of other peoples' work with a few tweaks, and includes a few files that shouldn't be there. The panel, although pretty, is inaccurate and incomplete and cannot possibly be compared with the likes of Dreamfleet's or PMDG's work, methinks, apart from the use of the latter's bitmaps! The paint job is simplistic, the wheels are sunk in the runway ... and so on.I suppose I may just have a problem with people who name 'airlines' after themselves ;-)MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

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Hi Mark,If you call my work 'a few tweaks and some files that shouldn't have been there' then keep in mind I did this by myself as a hobby without any education, but just what I learned myself about aircraft/panel design. I do not have an entire team working on a single project.So there is no way to compare my hobby results with a payware aircraft from a crew of people doing it for a living. With a huge pile of money and resources, while I have to find almost everything at AVSIM and Google, sort of speak.Of course a version 1.0 has flaws. Ever noticed there are still updates almost EVERY week for Windows XP? Imagine what crap it must have been when it just appeared on the shells...If you don't like the paintjob or name of my virtual airline, that's OK. 'Mark Airlines' would sound a bit questionable too, wouldn't it? But should that really matter when it comes to flying an aircraft in FS2004? It only matters when you're just gazing at colors and a name of an aircraft parked at the gates ;-)But of course you're entitled to your opinion. I rather like to believe that the download counts after just one month means there are 'some' people who like it a lot and the fanmail I received from all over the world has been impressive. To all people that sent me email to thank me: you're all very welcome!Mark, if you don't like my B737-800, no problem at all. You can always go to a shop and buy professional payware packages, just don't forget your wallet...The package was pulled from AVSIM because I left in PMDG-bitmaps from the 737-NG, by mistake actually. I'm am really sorry I forgot about those: I was determined to replace them with photoreal pictures from the beginning. When I just couldn't find any nice photo's I shifted it to the bottom of my priority list and completely forgot about those PMDG cockpit views when I uploaded the package to AVSIM.There will be no 'Air Scheffel' package as long as I can't replace those bitmaps with original material. I'm really not in the position to risk any serious problems with the legal department of PMDG.Goodluck and best regards to all FlightSimmers,Arjan Scheffel

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Hi ArjanI meant no offence to you in my post. I simply questioned the original poster's 'incredible aircraft' description and some of the follow-ups in that they seemed to me to give the impression that this was something brand new.Didn't realize you had a virtual airline there, either, although as I've said it's just my thing that I would not call something after my own name, personally. But that's your call, of course and yes, we're all free to download your work or not.I'm certainly not questioning your own effort; you've done a nice job pulling the pieces together and creating the main panel view and features; again, my only point was that your panel is a fun one to use but not comparable with the payware versions that others have likened it to, in terms of accuracy of knobs and switches. That's all. I don't mean to dent your enthusiasm for a moment.So go for it, give us more! Freeware rules. All I would say - and I'm well documented for hating them - is that your self-installer is a little frightening. It's the first time I've seen that style of installer used in FS and I think there are those - like me - who don't like files shooting off to all corners of their installation without any sort of prompt, first. I installed manually but I'd recommend, for what my opinion is worth, that you use one of the more conventional self-installers that give people a chance to check whether any critical files of theirs might be overwritten.Good luck to you,MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

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Mark,I suppose I was the 'original poster'I for one, was not aware of any PMDG stuff within this aircraft, but then again, I am more a cockpit flyer than a fuselage looker.To me it is a wonderful d/l, as I have been missing the original 737 from Dreamfleet that took our sim to a new level.OK, it is NOT Dreamfleet, but IMHO very close to it as far as any d/l I have seen.I think your reply to Arjan was excellent, a measured polite and reasonable reply. There are times I get fed up with the flaming that goes on!I have got to accept that 'senior' moments are now approx 3600 an hour, and to be honest I do not now want complexities that get in the way of my pastime and fun that FS has given me since Fs2 and Bruce Artwick. This aircraft has taken me 6 check flights to get the hang of, with much deep earth gardening! I fully accept that it was all pilot error and I was correctly punished for it. This 737-800 for me was just about right in that I have to do more things, but no longer need to get a degree in advanced aerodynamics to have fun. My A300-200 and the 757 I have in my hanger are all terrific,and I am enjoying them so much.I am in awe of anyone who creates these aircraft, and I bow to their expertise. From Arjan's reply I feel that he is genuine in his error of using PMDG's fuelage or whatever, and he accepts that. However, Arjan do NOT stop building/attaching stuff to stuff, as I think you have done a sparkling job!Thank you,

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Hi Mark,No offence taken, it's OK.I admit that every time I find a setup.exe in a download I will be installing it to a fake temporary FS-folder, so I can see FIRST what it does. So I understand your reaction on that point completely.The first upload was without an installer, just one zipfile maintaining the right directory structure of Flight Simulator 9.All files were placed at the right location.Still a lot of people had troubles installing and sent me mail.It appeared they unzipped the file to a temporary folder and started moving files all over the place.So the setup.exe (included in the update) doesn't do anything but unzipping 'Flight Simulator 9.zip' to the Flight Simulator 9 folder on the harddisk, while showing a splashscreen. In the readme file I wrote it's also possible to install without the setup.exe by unzipping the file manually.Best of both worlds...Cheerz, Arjan

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Nick, no harm ment here. You did a great job with other people's work and as I see it am I'm sure a ton of other people will, this is illegal by most, if not all of the EUL on all these planes. More so on PMDG work. That's the real problem here. I see it so many times great freeware designers stop designing because people like yourself don't abide to the EUL and steal, yes I said steal their work. On top of that payware designers have to charge more to cover their loss aswell. I hope I'm reading this thread wrong and I can apoligize to you later, but that's what this sounds like to me.Dan

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Dan,You are misreading the post. We all know it is illegal to steal other people's copyrighted material. Arjan built a great package of plane, panel, paint, etc, and then added the brilliant features which are HIS own work. It is the features which are so great about this plane, not the 3 side views from PMDG which he temporarily placed while he worked on the rest of the complex coding, etc. He intended to come back and replace them with freeware before uploading. As time went on, he forgot those were borrowed from PMDG. Arjan's own work is evident if you have the plane and read the manual and realize what it can do. Lets not run off another great freeware designer. Lets give Arjan the benefit of the doubt unless you are sure he ripped someone off. It isn't hard for me to believe he could forget. Lord knows I am forgetful enough. Besides, those views, nice as they are, are not the focus of the package.I think if you'll step back a little and be a little more objective, you'll agree there is no harm done and none intended.Great job, Arjan!Thanks again for all your hard work.Earl Buice

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Fair enough. I'm all for freeware designers, I have a lot of payware and a lot of freeware planes too. I did say I hope I misread the posts and if that's the case I apoligize upfront. I'll have to get this plane, if it's truly his own work, and from the way everyone is talking about it.:)Dan

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Hello Arjan,>The package was pulled from AVSIM because I left in>PMDG-bitmaps from the 737-NG, by mistake actually. I'm am>really sorry I forgot about those: I was determined to replace>them with photoreal pictures from the beginning.and the bitmap of the overhead panel originally comes from the Dreamfleet 737...Maybe you should replace this bitmap too.GreetingsTim

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Hi everybody,I sent an email to all people I gave permission to share my aircraft on their servers, with a request to remove it.Those 3 temporary side view cockpit panels of PMDG have been removed from my work. For now those views are blank.But with a little luck even all views will be replaced with photos specially taken for this purpose.It seems I finally can have access to some very needed resources.Until now I had to start almost every part and every panel with Google Image finder (or similar).The last time I was in a Boeing myself was ages ago, and I was certainly NOT on the flightdeck ;-)So I can't draw a cockpit-, main-, or overheadpanel from the top of my head, I think probably nobody can.When I find a suitable image on the internet (to use as draft material to start with), that image came from somewhere.It was clearly made before by someone else, otherwise Google image finder would not show it.If Tim recognizes the overheadpanel background from a Dreamfleet product, I recon that is where my draft base material originally must have came from. I do not have anything of Dreamfleet nor have I visited any commercial website to search for images to claim as mine.I just found it with Google.Concerning the overhead panel: I redid all text/button discriptions from scratch, because those descriptions were simply unreadable on the image I started with. The background of text/buttons/gauges was filled with small areas of texture from the original image. Almost every gauge was repositioned to make it all fit and I programmed every single XML-gauge myself from scratch. I just kept the far left- and right sides unchanged, maybe just sharpened it slightly.If you squeeze your eyes a little, in the end it still looks exactly like the image I started with, I'm sure. Same size, same colors, same looks of textures...Is that still breaking copyrights? I truly didn't think so, but I'm not a lawyer. I figured that if every screenshot had copyrights, then Bill Gates would have been twice as rich as he already is because of the countless screenshots of Flight Simulator on the World Wide Web...I truly can not say for sure how these things legally work. I'm just an enthusiastic Flightsimmer. However I can guarantee that IF this was wrong of me, I have not been aware of that.Maybe a lawyer or other expert reading this topic can clearify the laws in this matter?I really want my 'Air Scheffel' Boeing 737-800 package to be free from this kind of issues before I upload it to any website ever again...Best regards,Arjan Scheffel

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