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Hi all.

 

I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I would appreciate your help if possible.

Suddenly MCE seems to have lost the ability to pushback (native).

 

Symptoms

 

PIC: Ground from flight deck

Mechanic: reacts

PIC: Ground mechanic start pushback

 

silence for about 10 seconds

 

FO: Could you please confirm need to start engines before pushback

 

Mechanic hands me over to another collegue

 

 

What I have done

 

Tested with different airports (including "fsx native")

Tested with different aircrafts (fsx native, freeware and payware)

Reinstalled MCE

MCE reset to factory setting

Changed voice pack for mechanic

Currently out of ideas ...

 

 

Notes

 

Win 10

FSX SE

MCE latest release

GFX not installed

AES currently not installed

Interface AES option disabled

GroundServicesMode=Native (as per mce config file)

 

When the silence (see above) occurs apparently MCE is inputting the following into fsx: 5 1 3.

I got this because I was using MCE to write the above "conversation" into this post.  Don't know if this is important or not.

 

Thanks

 

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Hi all.

 

I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I would appreciate your help if possible.

Suddenly MCE seems to have lost the ability to pushback (native).

 

Symptoms

 

PIC: Ground from flight deck

Mechanic: reacts

PIC: Ground mechanic start pushback

 

silence for about 10 seconds

 

FO: Could you please confirm need to start engines before pushback

 

Mechanic hands me over to another collegue

 

 

What I have done

 

Tested with different airports (including "fsx native")

Tested with different aircrafts (fsx native, freeware and payware)

Reinstalled MCE

MCE reset to factory setting

Changed voice pack for mechanic

Currently out of ideas ...

 

 

Notes

 

Win 10

FSX SE

MCE latest release

GFX not installed

AES currently not installed

Interface AES option disabled

GroundServicesMode=Native (as per mce config file)

 

When the silence (see above) occurs apparently MCE is inputting the following into fsx: 5 1 3.

I got this because I was using MCE to write the above "conversation" into this post.  Don't know if this is important or not.

 

Thanks

 

Happens when GSX is installed.

 

MCE looks under C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming\Virtuali\folder, and if it finds settings for GSX in "KeyMapping.ini" it automatically switches to GSX mode.

 

Try opening "KeyMapping.ini" and changing to look like

 

[common]
youcontrol=
 
[GSX]
shortcut=
 
Or is it that you are alternating between Native and GSX on a whim.

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Hi Gerald.

 

No Virtuali folder in C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming or in my profile.

No KeyMapping.ini in my system (searched the entire hard drive) .

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Hi Gerald.

 

No Virtuali folder in C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming or in my profile.

No KeyMapping.ini in my system (searched the entire hard drive) .

 

Maybe you enabled option "Use AES" in MCE "advanced options" panel, in which case MCE assumes you're using AES ground services and not Native.

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 Interace AES option in Advanced Options is unchecked.

 

All I can suggest for now is to make sure you installed the very latest version. V2.6.7.82

 

and then we'll take it from there.

 

http://www.multicrewxp.com/Downloads.hrml

 

If anyone else who has the issue with Native pushback, please chime in.

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Hi Gerald what I think he means is, after you say " Mechanic Start Pushback", FO asks "Do you need to start engines before pushback"?
 
Captain Replies,  "Affirmative" or "negative" according to when you want to start..

 

 Mechanic replies. "OK just wait for pushback truck, I will hang around until you tell me to disconnect", or "please listen to my colleagues instructions for pushback, let me know when to disconnect"
 
Then the GSX window pops up, you then would appear to need to select prepare position for pushback manually, the selection is not made automatically. However when you select item 5 Prepare for Pushback and Departure, nothing happens!  The pushback is not initiated. Thereafter, even selecting the GSX menu fro Ctrl+f12 makes no difference, you can no longer access the pushback feature from GSX. There is no selection screen for pushback services, no request for push direction, seems the GSX service has been stopped. I need a P3d reboot to get GSX working again?

 

I never use the "Mechanic request pushback" request, I just tried it today and got the aforementioned results. I always use the direct GSX menu Ctrl+f12 and work the pushback from there!

 

 

Hope that helps?

 

Regards

David
 
I have the latest MCE...V2.6.7.82
[MECHANIC]
PushWithGSXandAES=0
Is in the .ini.
 Keep mech on push in advanced options makes no difference.


 

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Hi and sorry for my late feedback.

 

I have the latest MCE installed: V2.6.7.82.

 

@David:  you summed it up, although I didn't had GSX installed.

 

In the meantime, I wanted to see what would happened if I installed and uninstalled GSX in this computer:

  • Installed GSX demo version (for the first time in this computer)
  • Start FSX:SE
  • Airport selected: Milano Linate - LIML
  • Test Pushback  -  test ok (tested only the pushback)
  • Closed FSX:SE
  • Uninstalled GSX
  • Reboot computer
  • Check virtuali folder: Deleted virtuali folder (uninstaller didn't removed it)
  • Start FSX:SE
  • Airport selected: Milano Linate - LIML
  • Test Pushback  -  test not ok (same as above)
  • Closed FSX:SE
  • Reinstalled MCE version  V2.6.7.82
  • Interface AES - not set (in config)
  • Checked ini file: GroundServicesMode=Native
  • Start FSX:SE
  • Airport selected: Milano Linate - LIML
  • Test Pushback  -  test not ok (same as above)

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Ok just to make myself a bit clearer.
 
This is my finding in P3d with GSX and MCE 2.6.782
 
I never use the Native Pushback and have not got AES installed on my P3d PC.  So here is what I have found using GSX exclusively. I don't think you can mix the Native Pushback with GSX/AES pushback, although I have never tried. However everything should work.
 
First I add this to the mce.ini;-

PushWithGSXandAES=1
 
Then I go to advanced options in the MCE GUI, second page (more options) tick Keep Mech on Push.

1. Captain..."Mechanic Start Pushback". (Activate Ground Services GSX window pops up)

2. FO "Do you need to start engines before pushback"?

3. Captain Replies, "Affirmative" or "negative" according to when you want to start
 
4. Mechanic replies, "OK just wait for pushback truck, I will hang around until you tell me to disconnect", or "please listen to my colleagues instructions for pushback, let me know when to disconnect"
 
With the Select Ground Services window open, no further automatic selections are made, so you make the selections yourself with the mouse. 
 
Namely;
Pushback service choice of company.
Pushback direction. (previously set in GSX menu, e.g. Left/Right/Straight...)
Engine on/off selection.
 
The pushback then proceeds without any problems, with the Pushback in Progress window open, so you can manually stop it any point.
 
Hope that helps a bit. I was thinking that after the initial verbal request to the mechanic, the other selections would be made without any input from myself, this is not what I found.
 
Anyway, hope this helps a bit. I personally wouldn't be without GSX, it adds much more depth to the sim.
 
Regards
 
David

Pictures speak louder than words...


 
 
 



 

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That's the way it should be.

 

I do note you have an older P3D version. Which version, and which update?

 

It could be some issue with the GSX window not getting focus in that specific P3D version, and the keystroke not reaching it.

 

In latest P3D (V3), GSX window is very different (transparent just like the ATC window). Equally, handling of that window is different.

 

To make matters more challenging, GSX keeps introducing new features and MCE has to constantly adjust.

 

It's OK keeping up with latest P3D and GSX changes, but we don't conduct tests on earlier versions every time GSX changes.

 

Therefore may need to work with you via support, in order to resolve this.

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Hi Gerald.

 

I am on P3dv3.0. The first release of P3dv3.

 

 

My Luddite like tendencies are getting the better of me with respect to constantly upgrading P3dv3. Like versions 3.1....3.2....3.3....3.4....3.5? Seemingly each "upgrade" conspiring to "break" all the FSX installs that I have? With somewhat variable benefits.

 

The GSX version is also 12 months old. No updates have been added.

 

The GSX window works from the menu item, when pressed, so I get the push back. I did not think that MCE would do those menu item selections for me? If I need to update P3dv3.0 just to get this function, that doesn't really interest me, so long as I can get a pushback from GSX, I will use the mouse and menu item click:-)

 

Best regards,

 

David.

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In the meantime, I wanted to see what would happened if I installed and uninstalled GSX in this computer:

Installed GSX demo version (for the first time in this computer)

Start FSX:SE

Airport selected: Milano Linate - LIML

Test Pushback  -  test ok (tested only the pushback)

 

I am sorry for going off the o.p. topic, which is concerning a native pushback, on FSX SE. Whereas I am jabbering on about P3dv3.0 and GSX. But it seems he managed to achieve success with a demo GSX pushback and automated menu selections with MCE. This is great!

 

 

I would personally stick with GSX for push, but that's my opinion, FWIW.

 

The new (latest) GSX version adds menu items to the push back, namely gate movement and acknowledgements. It looks nice, but obviously moves the key press assignment location on screen.

 

 

P3d is evolving too, so keeping up with all these changes is a problem. I guess there's a lot to be said for staying on FSX. At least that won't change:-)

 

As long as we can get the most out of our hobby, we win!

 

Regards

David

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Hi David!

 

GSX is on my wishlist. Unfortunately, I'm running a tight budget and slowly "building" my FSX. But eventually I'll get there.

 

Actually, MCE won over GSX and other addons when I was evaluating my latest purchase. 

 

I started with MCE and didn't tried the others. I bought it after the demo expired! The ability to try before buying it was very important, since english is not my native language.

 

Also, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you and everyone else for the videos, scripts, tips, etc. They have been very helpful.

 

Best regards.

 

Antonio

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The ability to try before buying it was very important, since english is not my native language.

 

You will also discover over time, that you bought yourself an English training program as a bonus.

 

You'll get to practice a lot and it beats attending boring English lessons  :smile:

 

Kind of hitting two birds with one stone.

 

Will get the native pushback checked and eventually do something about it if required.

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Hi.

 

Bought GSX today and I recovered the pushback.   :smile:

 

Doing some testing noticed this: if I close MCE and start it again MCE stops interacting with GSX. Restarting the FSX:SE solves the issue.

 

Best regards.

 

Antonio

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Hi.

 

Bought GSX today and I recovered the pushback.   :smile:

 

Doing some testing noticed this: if I close MCE and start it again MCE stops interacting with GSX. Restarting the FSX:SE solves the issue.

 

Best regards.

 

Antonio

 

Shouldn't work like that. Our fsInsider.dll running inside FSX keeps tab of whatever GSX is doing, including what services have been requested and whether they are completed or not. Also, if fsInsider.dll detects flight has been reset, it also resets those variables tracking GSX activity.

 

I am beginning to suspect MCE isn't getting data from th simulator as expected. And possibly why Native pushback didn't work either.

 

Just a reminder, when Windows UAC is enabled, you MUST...

 

1 - Install MCE to default C:\Program Files (x86)\ folder

2 - Set "fsx.exe" to run as administrator.

 

This will ensure "mce.exe" which runs outside the simulator process in order not to affect the stability of the sim and to prevent speech engine using valuable VAS, can communicate with "fsx.exe" without Windows security interference.

 

And make sure you're running latest MCE V2.6.7.84

 

I heard GSX changed recently with a new menu. Therefore, expect another update to follow soon.

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Hi Gerald!

 

MCE is installed in C:\Program Files (x86)\ folder

fsx.exe is running as admin

Before installing MCE I download the version posted on the website.

Also, I'm running MCE as admin.

 

Antonio

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Antonio, just out of interest, are you running an anti virus software?

 

Some anti virus software can interfere with running software, without us knowing what or when they do it!

 

When running Flight sim, I turn my Anti virus off:-)

 

Then there's Windows 10.....Oh my Ghosh! MS putting out "updates" that messed up the "other" flight sim. Then they try to correct it by further "updates" to fix the updates....Then LM release updates that subtly alter the program, leading to stuff stopping working that worked in the previous version....causing programmers to constantly monitor what's changed and try to keep their software engine working with all versions....OMG! :(

 

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi David.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

But disabling anti virus doesn't solve the issue.

And yes, I'm running Win 10. Automatic updates does pose a "threat". In my case and until now, Win 10 is revealing good stability. Blue screens are starting to be a thing of the pass.

If Microsoft doesn't mess up, Win 10 could be the truly successor of Win XP and 7. Nevertheless, I'll always have Linux in my heart.

 

Antonio

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Linux eh?

 

I used to be a fully competent programmer once! ;)

 

I was fluent in Simons Basic and could write for the Acorn electron and Commodore 64..! :-) LOL.

 

Things were simple then, code you could actually hear being loaded from your tape cassette, but that's only for persons that are of a certain age....:-)

 

 

Regards

 

David

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For me it was Sinclair ZX Spectrum with it's amazing 48 KiB of memory.

 

This is starting to be a very nostalgic thread ...

 

Antonio

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Antonio, I see you don't give away your age? :-) Well my 32k Acorn Electron managed some amazing stuff. If you remember Sublogic Flight Simulator 1, your nearly my age?:-) Hard to believe 1980 was 36 years ago?

 

Since you started this thread I suppose you get some artistic licence!

 

Where are you up to with your Push back?

 

We have dissimilar operating systems and flight Sims so the only consistent factor is GSX.

 

I have been re visiting the Mjc Dash 8 recently and noticed GSX Does not like being asked to do anything until the sim is truly cold and dark. That is Ctrl+Shift+f1/f2. Seems the Mjc Dash 8 (my version) is not cold and dark when it says its cold and dark, so I require the f1/f2 routine before GSX will work for the push back. This may be unrelated, but like Gerald said, perhaps something is preventing FSX/GSX/MCE having a conversation?

 

I guess if you can use the on screen GSX menu with your mouse you can function?

 

I don't know Windows 10, however does it have "any" features like "Defender" or some inscrutable program watching device that may be interfering with running programs? MCE has to get parameters from FSX and GSX and then send instructions back. If it can't, things will go on strike!

 

 

Cheers

 

David

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Hi David!

 

Sorry for the late reply. 

 

MCE still refuses to talk to GSX if I close and restart MCE. But I can use the GSX menu and no problems there.

 

Additionally, I found that I can't use MCE to stop pushback, because the option that is actually selected by MCE is the abort. Usually, I stop pushback through the menu. Maybe this particular issue is related to changes to GSX menu, after the latest MCE release.

 

Regards.

 

Antonio

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