So with the complaints already rolling when it comes to payware prices, my question is how much is too much. I just went to look at a certain 737NG package being that it is the only payware NG since PMDG. I bought my PMDG NG's for ~ $39 originally and then $29 for the add-on. This particular add-on that I looked at was:49 Pounds for the base29 pounds for the upgrade13 pounds for each airline pack X 6Soooooo If I want to purchase their NG package, it is 158 pounds per NG. 6-7-8-9 are all ~ 160 pounds eqach when you buy the packs. 160 x 4 = 640 pounds. Now you do the conversion and it is probably well over $900.Again, how much is too much, this is absolutely ridiculous. Then, when you read the website you realize that if you buy a new PC you might end up having to pay their $900 all over to re-install. In rare circumstances they MIGHT let you re-install. Otherwise you are buying it all over again.IMHO. this is getting ridiculous. How can someone justify $900 for 4 aircraft for a sim that cost $49. Man this just ruffled my feathers when I saw their prices and I decided to get others feedback. How much is too much? Do people agree that this is beyond ridiculous or will people really pay 160 pounds per a/c. Not me...-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0

Paul--I know which certain manufacturer you're talking about. I wish you would have told me you were getting the thing, since I had a friendly word of advice regarding it. You have my e-mail--hit me up! ...cause I accidentally deleted yours. *:-*Cheers,PS: do you the use nVidia firewall? If so, I might have some interesting information for you about a service called nsvcappflt.exe. It just happens to cause a severe memory leak (6Gb swap file after a 5 hour flight). Once again, you hav

Thanks Sergey, I never actually bought it, I was way too put off by the price and the lack of a support forum of any kind.. As for NV firewall, I have never ever enabled it. I did not know about the memory leak but I have heard of ALOT of problems with it...-PaulPS. [email protected] ;)Liquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0

If you don't like the price you simply don't buy it...period. Coming onto the forums and complaining about it, when everyone knows who you are talking about, is just a sneaky way of getting a sideways shot in at that company. How sickening.

>If you don't like the price you simply don't buy it...period.I agree there. We get to vote with our wallets, and no matter how expensive or inexpensive the item is, the impact is felt by the developer fiscally.>Coming onto the forums and complaining about it, when everyone>knows who you are talking about, is just a sneaky way of>getting a sideways shot in at that company. >>How sickening. On that one, you gotta chill out! This is a discussion forum, and the poster offered his view up for discussion. I, for one, agree with him, but as you can see, instead of flaming any developer on the forum, I offered up to discuss it with him via e-mail. As far as getting a sideways shot in, everyone is entitled to an opinion about a company, and no 'sideways' approach is needed. If I can't stand someone's tactics, I am entitled to let my opinion be heard. The reason why I flat out didn't say anything to support him is to save the mods the time and effort of having to lock another thread. Nothing sickening about it. The poster was decent enough not to name the company. Those that know about 'who he's talking about' already have formed their opinions, and very little can sway them. Those that don't... well, that's self-explanatory: if you don't know who he's talking about, it ain't going matter to you.

G'day Paul,You have to understand that payware developers don't set the price of their products; The flight sim community does.So long as simmers are prepared to spend 160 pounds for an aircraft then that is the going price. If simmers stopped buying an aircraft then the developer would lower the price, until such time as profit wasn't worth the effort. The pricing dictum in a capitalist economy is "whatever the market will bear ..".Complaining about the price is pointless. So long as there are enough simmers who are prepared to pay the price. I don't buy payware - it only encourages them. Others have a different philosophy Cheers,Roger

Whatever, it rolls off my shoulders people love to attack others when they can do it from behind a keyboard LOL. The same way I have a choice not to buy, you have a choice not to post. Personally, I find people like yourself who come in here and attack others for voicing their opinion "quite sickening."I have every right to express my opinion which I did in a quite politically correct manner. The question at hand was how much is too much, not how do you feel about developer X. What is the cap people will pay for add-ons? How is that a sickening topic? Get over yourself sir...-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0

Thanks Roger,I totally agree. I wasn't trying to complain, I chose not to buy. Like your post says, I am trying to find out why we are willing to do it? How did the market come to this? Shouldn't we come together as a community to drive prices to a happy medium? If companies like PMDG and LDS can deliver software that the airlines would use for the $60 mark which I think is about the cap for me personally what justifies this? Thanks for contributing in a healthy and positive manner. Best,-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0

Most people who buy addons in the class we're talking about here aren't interested in having a dozen aircraft that differ only minutely and a dozen liveries for each.They specialise in one or two aircraft and often couldn't care less about the liveries, maybe having 2 or 3 to have something genuine for the areas of the world they fly most often.If you're targeting your product at that market segment, you can ask for a narrow product what someone else who targets people who collect liveries and aircraft and care less about the details and modelling of each asks for a larger group of aircraft.Personally I'm firmly in the former camp, though I like to have a few liveries to look at I don't care having every single version of every single livery of every single airline of every single submodel of an aircraft line in my stable.So I'd buy for example only the -800 and then only a single set of liveries.For that I'd pay about the same as a major competing product, and maybe even a bit less, for something that might give me more value for money based on the way I personally like to use those products.For someone else the equation may well be different.

"You have to understand that payware developers don't set the price of their products; The flight sim community does."That's true to a certain extent. However, there's some developers who try to "make a statement" by setting a price. As if to say "Look, my product is the most expensive, so it must be the best!"If you track those developers over time, you find that they use this method for a while to drum up interest. They often know that forums will be hit with threads that draw even more attention to the product. As soon as the dust settles, the developer settles on a price that's still above the market norm, but considerably less than the initial offering. Buyers then flock to the developer, thinking that have a product that's a $1000 value for only three easy payments of $99.95!I still think infomercial type hucksterism stinks when it comes to promoting products in our hobby. We're not buying used cars. That hassle should be reserved for the car lot. Whether a product is good or not plays second fiddle, in my opinion, to how the developer sees our community and how the developer plays to us. There's more than one developer who does this, btw, so I hope no one will draw assumptions and/or point fingers based on the "ambiguity" the original post left.-John

>>Coming onto the forums and complaining about it, when>everyone>>knows who you are talking about, is just a sneaky way of>>getting a sideways shot in at that company. >>>>How sickening. >>On that one, you gotta chill out! This is a discussion forum,>and the poster offered his view up for discussion.Don't tell me to chill out, Pal. I offered MY view too, didn't I?>As far as getting a sideways shot in, everyone is>entitled to an opinion about a company, and no 'sideways'>approach is needed.That's right, but his was, in my opinion. Again, I offered MY view too, didn't I?>If I can't stand someone's tactics, I am>entitled to let my opinion be heard.Gee, but I'm not, according to you.>The reason why I flat out>didn't say anything to support him is to save the mods the>time and effort of having to lock another thread. Nothing>sickening about it.How considerate of you. Give me a break.>The poster was decent enough not to name>the company. Those that know about 'who he's talking about'>already have formed their opinions, and very little can sway>them.It was OBVIOUS who he was talking about! EVERYONE here knows! Don't patronize me, OK?

>Whatever, it rolls off my shoulders people love to attack>others when they can do it from behind a keyboard LOL.Feel free to call it an "attack" if you are that sensitive. It wasn't, and you know it. I'm guessing that I hit the reason for your post right on the head.>The>same way I have a choice not to buy, you have a choice not to>post. Personally, I find people like yourself who come in>here and attack others for voicing their opinion "quite>sickening."And now you are doing the same. How ironic.>I have every right to express my opinion which I did in a>quite politically correct manner.In a veiled attack, indeed you did.>The question at hand was>how much is too much, not how do you feel about developer X. >What is the cap people will pay for add-ons? How is that a>sickening topic? Get over yourself sir...The TOPIC was not sickening, it was your agenda in posting it. I would suggest that YOU now get over it, but that ain't gonna happen, is it?

You are funny LOL...-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0

"You are funny LOL..."You are BOTH entitled to your opinions without having to resort to B.S. remarks like this one.Why don't you shift back on topic?-John

Agreed, thanks John,-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0