Gypsy Pilot

Does P3d v4 encapsulate each aircraft

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I have noticed that each time I switch aircraft I have to go to the control settings menu and reset the buttons that I plan to use with that aircraft.  

I do not have to change them, just reinitialize them.      

 

Dale

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10 minutes ago, Gypsy Pilot said:

I have noticed that each time I switch aircraft I have to go to the control settings menu and reset the buttons that I plan to use with that aircraft.  

I do not have to change them, just reinitialize them.      

 

Dale

With PMDG aircraft, you can assign buttons via the FMC that will stick for that aircraft. Not sure about others, though.

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Dale,

Your issue is why I've been using FSUIPC for some time now.

Yes, it's another expense and you have to learn how to use it. But, once you get past the arcane interface and understand how it works, it's pretty much indispensable.

Merry Christmas

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3 hours ago, Gypsy Pilot said:

I do not have to change them, just reinitialize them.

That should not be happening.
P3D assignments apply to all (excluding non-compatible third party) aircraft and assigning them should be a matter of "set once and forget".

gb.

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7 hours ago, gboz said:

That should not be happening.
P3D assignments apply to all (excluding non-compatible third party) aircraft and assigning them should be a matter of "set once and forget".

gb.

Indeed. I don't use FSUIPC and haven't had problems with any of my planes (A2A, AS Airbus, Majestic Q400, etc.).

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21 minutes ago, cyyzrwy24 said:

FSUIPC is the only way...as far as I know

The only way for what? I've flown lots of high quality addons (forgot to mention the PMDG ones) without ever using FSUIPC. FSUIPC could solve the OP's problem but he shouldn't have to buy FSUIPC for that. Something else is wrong, though I don't know what.

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To create Controls for each Aircraft....I am not aware that I can set up that with v4 settings only in order not to go all over again. Or we maybe don't understand each other. I have set up, in FSUPC though, for each Aircraft all controls separately. Now not sure if we are talking about same thing..

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25 minutes ago, cyyzrwy24 said:

To create Controls for each Aircraft....I am not aware that I can set up that with v4 settings only in order not to go all over again. Or we maybe don't understand each other. I have set up, in FSUPC though, for each Aircraft all controls separately. Now not sure if we are talking about same thing..

Ah, ok, sorry, yes, if you want different controls for every aircraft then you do indeed need FSUIPC. :happy: I only fly one airplane for months so I don't need that option. But even if you fly several aircrafts FSUIPC isn't mandatory. I do think the OP also doesn't want to use different controls for each aircraft: he said he has to reinitialize them: he doesn't want to change them.

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Maybe not, but I am not sure, but FSUIPC is definitely great tool for that at least.:ha:

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I guess something went wrong with my last v4 upgrade.  

I am a long time user of FSUIPC, but being lazy, I have not used it for control binding since I switched to P3d.  I have decided to limit my flying to only a few aircraft and I will go ahead and use FSUIPC to bind them.  As for the rest of my fleet, mostly pre1960, I fly them so seldom that it is not worth the effort.

Years ago I decided that I did not like the MSFS bindings so I changed them to bindings that I find easier to remember.  After 8 years of simming I now have a standard set of bindings that I use on all aircraft for basic flight control.  The only problem that I have had is avoiding keys that cause conflicts with other addons that I use, but that is an easy thing to do.

The v4 bindings that I have set do not change between aircraft but they have to be reinitialized with each aircraft change.  This is a new behavior and although it is a pain, I can live with it.  As I said earlier, I am going to stop flying so many aircraft and stay with one until I feel that I have mastered it.  My flying consist of mostly flying into small airports, canyon and river following and using backcountry strips.  I change aircraft to match my destination.

Your replies indicate that this is something that is unique to my computer so being a lazy man I will probably use FSUIPC as a workaround instead of spending the time to troubleshoot the code to locate the error. 

Thank all of you for your help.

Dale

 

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Dale et al , if you want to have different setups for your AC in P3D , you create your setup and Export it , give it a name and next time all you do is Import it, you can create as many as you want , they are kept in C:\Users\aero\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files as an .xml file.

(great for when you have a crash and lose all your settings!!!))

Jorge

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10 hours ago, cyyzrwy24 said:

Maybe not, but I am not sure, but FSUIPC is definitely great tool for that at least.:ha:

Indeed it is. Apart from the buttons autosave is a real lifesaver. 

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4 hours ago, aeronauta said:

Dale et al , if you want to have different setups for your AC in P3D , you create your setup and Export it , give it a name and next time all you do is Import it, you can create as many as you want , they are kept in C:\Users\aero\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files as an .xml file.

(great for when you have a crash and lose all your settings!!!))

Jorge

This is absolutely correct and works like a charm. I cannot believe so few seem to know about this, been working since P3D V3.3 at least.

I have specific saved controls settings (xmls) for all my aircraft, and that includes button settings. I also have FSUIPC, and this saving of XML controls files helps with the parallel use of FSUIPC to avoid double assignments.

Example - some aircraft may be very twitchy on the default trim assignment button - only has slow, repeat medium (which since FSX has been slow and then suddenly speeds up), and fast. So in the P3D profile for such planes, I delete the P3D elevator trim button assignments, save the profile with a name (like MilVIZ_Beaver_Otter.XML), and assign the trim button in FSUIPC instead. Then when I fly those planes, load up the scenario/plane, go to Options\Controls, select IMPORT, find my XML file for that plane, OPEN and go fly.

Great for changing from yoke controls (in my case Saitek Yoke) to joystick controls as well. So planes that have a joystick, all my Saitek assignments are deleted, and instead assigned to Logitech joystick (and visa versa for aircraft with yokes). Simply save and load up the profile as per the aircraft you are flying. IN P3Dv3 I had a very specific profile setup for helicopters, which contained assignments for my Saitek quadrant and Logitech joystick, excluding any button for trim, that was assigned instead using an FSUIPC offset address assignment with even smoother "stepping". Could still be used in V4, only waiting for the helos I use to be upgraded!

As @aeronauta said very useful for quick recovery of lost controls settings, but is also extremely powerful for specific mix-n-match with FSUIPC assignments so as to avoid duplicating buttons and axis assignments. It also allows for specific per-aircraft tweaking of assignments without having to worry about those affecting settings for some other aircraft (just remember when you make changes to the P3D control settings for the currently loaded plane to export the controls XML again, overwriting that aircraft's specific XML file).

For those without FSUIPC, using the per-aircraft XML controls-file method is really powerful and should be more than adequate as a stand in.

Only down side is say loading up a PMDG777 and forgetting the last plane you flew was the single engine Otter for which you had loaded its profile (P3D uses last imported profile as default control settings on re-start), and you forget to load the PMDG plane's control XML. One soon learns though ("now why is the no 2 engine throttle not responding and the spoiler axis is controlling engine 1?" - noticed during preflight of course! - "Oh I forgot to load the PMDG_TWINS.XML controls file". Simply load it, check, and carry on).

Rob

 

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On 12/23/2017 at 2:44 PM, J van E said:

The only way for what? I've flown lots of high quality addons (forgot to mention the PMDG ones) without ever using FSUIPC.

When you switch from say a turbine twin to a piston twin or single, how do you go about setting up your hardware again without using Fsuipc ?

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15 hours ago, Glynn said:

When you switch from say a turbine twin to a piston twin or single, how do you go about setting up your hardware again without using Fsuipc ?

Glynn,

You need to set up XML control profiles for the turbine twin, the piston twin and the single piston planes.

You would basically follow these steps to create unique profiles for each plane.

1) load the plane (for eg the turbine twin)

2) Select Options/controls from the P3D menu

3) Start with a clean slate by clicking Reset Defaults bottom left of the Controls UI. (Once you have some profiles set up you can import an appropriate xml controls file to use as base to start from - see later)

4) now go through the key assignments you want for that plane, assigning as you wish, and deleting unwanted assignments. When assigning buttons make sure you have the correct controller selected in the drop-down top center of the UI!

5) switch to Axis Assignments (bottom left pane). Be careful to select the correct controller from the drop-down at the top center of the UI. If You want to use more than one controller, make sure the correct one is selected for the desired assignments. You can mix-n-match, so say select a Joystick and assign elevators and ailerons, and then select your pedal hardware (if you have), and assign brakes and rudder axes to that. Just be careful if using many controllers that assignments are not duplicated for more than one controller. Go carefully with this step, but once done it is worth it, and will not have to be repeated again.

6) Once happy with all your assignments (buttons and axes, even calibrations), click Export at the bottom left of the UI, and give the XML file a name (by default these files are put in your Documents\Prepar3d Vx Files folder, but you can store them elsewhere if you wish by changing the path at the top of the Save As window that opens). So in this eg, save it as TURBINE_TWIN.xml if that is that plane you have just set up.

To set up another plane (say the turbine single), load that plane (best restart P3D), and repeat steps 1-6, only this time name the export XML file say TURBINE_SINGLE.xml. And so on for as many planes as you want to set up different XML profiles for.

Then when you want to go fly, say a twin turbine.

7) Load the plane, place and time, or open your saved scenario.

8) When all is loaded, go to Options/controls and click Import at bottom left of UI

9) find and select the TWIN_TURBINE.xml file you made in step 6 above. Once selected click Open at bottom right of the open file dialog

10) Click OK bottom right of the P3D Controls settings dialog

Go fly the turbine twin.

When you want to fly a turbine single, load it up, and repeat steps 8 to 10 (3 clicks!). If changing planes and you forget to load the correct XML controls file you will soon be reminded about your memory lapse! No problem, just do steps 8 to 10 as soon as you realize your controls are not behaving as expected.

Go fly the turbine single.

And so on for any other plane/setup.

At any stage if you want to change or tweak assignments for a plane or type of plane, make sure the plane is loaded, and you have imported the correct controls file. Then go to Options/Controls and make the changes you want. Click Export and select the file you want to change. It will challenge you that the file exists and do you want to replace it. If you are SURE it is the correct xml controls file and you want the changes to be made, click YES. Done

Hope this helps. Sounds like a lot, but many planes can share profiles, and if one gets into a habit of setting up these control XMLs for each new add-on plane you get, the first time you load the new plane up, it is actually easy.

Happy flying!

Rob

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Glynn said:

When you switch from say a turbine twin to a piston twin or single, how do you go about setting up your hardware again without using Fsuipc ?

Well, I don't. I only have a joystick and rudder pedals (plus the keyboard, obviously) so there is no need to change anything when I change planes. :happy: And besides, I like to do as much as possible in the VC itself. In fact, I only use two buttons on my joystick for elevator trim (up and down): everything else (apart from the obvious elevator, aileron, rudder and throttle) I do in the VC. (Trimming the plane with the controls in the VC doesn't work too well: everything else works perfectly fine.) 

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