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Thx for sharing that Michael !

And just on schedule, another great video by BlackBox 711 was recorded exactly using this FF A320, as well as the iXeg 737 ( if I'm not mistaken... )... Just posted about it in the "Hangar"...

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FSLabs 320 updated to P3Dv4.2 and working perfect. Now FF 320... What is happening today? My heart is divided and my pocket empty! :blush:

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It's pricey in x plane terms.

but it looks to be the most detailed tube liner yet!

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Expensive indeed. 

I've watched a few beta videos on this, and I'm curious if the product includes decent tutorials and documentation, or are you expected to already know an Airbus before using this?

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Done!  Now that FSLabs A320 update is out for P3D V4.2 ... this should make for a good compare.  FSLabs version is pretty impressive in systems depth and now performance is back up.  But larger commercial aircraft never seemed to be much of an FPS problem in XP11.11+, I've heard lots of good about the FF A320 ... I can see I'll have a busy 3 day weekend.

Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers, Rob.

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34 minutes ago, tonywob said:

Expensive indeed. 

I've watched a few beta videos on this, and I'm curious if the product includes decent tutorials and documentation, or are you expected to already know an Airbus before using this?

Counterquestion: Who doesn't know how to operate an Airbus? It's basically like riding a bike at this point (a bike where your handlebars are electronically wired to digital computers which you have to operate in order to even move the bike and which may or may not decide to listen to your control inputs based on whether they align with the performance envelope of the bike) ;-) 

Seriously: Don't expect much documentation. 

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I've never used an airbus in P3D or X-Plane, so not sure what to actually expect. The PMDG and IXEG docs and tutorials were great, and enough to get you up and running and learning more. I'm sure Youtubers will eventually help out here as they always do

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26 minutes ago, domae001 said:

Counterquestion: Who doesn't know how to operate an Airbus? It's basically like riding a bike at this point (a bike where your handlebars are electronically wired to digital computers which you have to operate in order to even move the bike and which may or may not decide to listen to your control inputs based on whether they align with the performance envelope of the bike) ;-) 

Seriously: Don't expect much documentation. 

I bet there will be a 200 - 300 pages of documentation

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1 hour ago, tonywob said:

Expensive indeed.

The livery packs at $10 each seems a little over the top considering base price ... the FF 320 + liveries would official win the title of most expensive add-on Aircraft I've ever purchased at $170.

My goal is to see if I can get either of these aircraft into manual trim :)

Cheers, Rob.

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48 minutes ago, tonywob said:

The PMDG and IXEG docs and tutorials were great, and enough to get you up and running and learning more.

FF A320 comes with a single PDF explaining license activation and EFB. Not a single word on how to operate the aircraft. No tutorial.

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Ouch, my point exactly. Thanks for the heads up. I'll await some more info on how to use this aircraft. (For a Boeing user, Airbus stuff are completely new to me)

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23 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

The livery packs at $10 each seems a little over the top considering base price ... the FF 320 + liveries would official win the title of most expensive add-on Aircraft I've ever purchased at $170.

My goal is to see if I can get either of these aircraft into manual trim :)

Cheers, Rob.

The livery packs are absolutely not needed. There's already a LOT of liveries painted covering pretty much every real-world livery included in those packs with much higher quality. Check out this thread https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/128461-flightfactor-a320-ultimate-liveries-master-request-and-wip-list/&

The livery packs are really only there to scrape a few extra bucks out of people who for whatever reason don't do any research into livery availability after they buy the plane, or those who want an obscure or fictional livery that's unavailable in the forums but included in one of the packs. 

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The aircraft like many can of course be daunting if you have never flown it. Like others, you can do what i do with a new release; take it around your favourite airport using stick and rudder. 

I have both and the main difference for me (not doing a compare of systems) is the handling: FFA320 very sensitive to my joystick, FSlabs requires more effort.

Both are a credit to their respective sims - if you can support them, do so.

The go to for tutorials seems to be youtube: blackbox711

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1 hour ago, domae001 said:

Counterquestion: Who doesn't know how to operate an Airbus? It's basically like riding a bike at this point (a bike where your handlebars are electronically wired to digital computers which you have to operate in order to even move the bike and which may or may not decide to listen to your control inputs based on whether they align with the performance envelope of the bike) ;-) 

Seriously: Don't expect much documentation. 

I would expect documentation and tutorials for 90 bucks

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What a beautiful bird but I really need a good camera program like chaseplane. I have a 3 monitor setup and kinda difficult to set up cameras with xcamera. But I will try and try

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29 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I would expect documentation and tutorials for 90 bucks

Not from FF. They do provide links to the Airbus and Thales manuals of course, but they do not have extensive written guidance of their own if I am not mistaken. This, of course, might have something to do with them being Russian and thus not being able to produce a well-written technical document of several hundred pages in English. When you observe the writing in the support forum, their English is okay, but understandably not their strong suite (which is where a lot of miscommunication in the forums comes from, xEnviro is another case of a Russian dev occasionally not finding the proper words).

Also, tutorials is something better left to the community: I am sure there will be (or probably already are) plenty tutorials (of varying quality) available on YouTube within no time.

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3 hours ago, rdb said:

FF A320 comes with a single PDF explaining license activation and EFB. Not a single word on how to operate the aircraft. No tutorial.

During the beta we had access to this site for documentation.

 

Docs: http://www.avsimrus.com/f/aviation-documents-15/?search=A320&sopt_mode=or&folder=15&s

 

This is also a good base.

FMS: http://www.737ng.co.uk/airbusfms.pdf

Dont forget this aircraft is fully modelled and licensed....the actual Airbus manuals work really well. I invested in Capt Mike Ray's guide to the A320 and it is 100% spot on. All bugs reported were based on the Airbus manuals, and corrections or clarifications were also given quoting official Airbus manuals and performance data.

It is an impressive bit of kit.

 

As for tutorial, they did state at the beginning there would not be one. This product is aimed at systems simulation. To quote them "if you need a tutorial to use a systems simulator then this is not the product for you"..

 

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is the FF A320 simulating failures and associated ECAM alerts? 

Thank you!

John.

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3 minutes ago, 757FO said:

is the FF A320 simulating failures and associated ECAM alerts? 

Thank you!

John.

It has all operation laws simulated. Systems are deeply simulated as well..

Last update I did, it still did not have custom failure controls....BUT....one flight i did, out of EDDT i hit a flock of birds on climb and lost engine two.

I started to lose hydraulics and associated systems, engine shut down and it went to alternate law..I provided the data to the developer and the got an explanation for every system...it is not a single layer of system, things are built to coordinate with each other just like a real aircraft. Yes I did get ECAM alerts, but at the time the developer stated he was working on adding ALL ECAM alerts that exist in the real A320, he just wasnt finished yet. I am not sure if it is completed now, I will have a look later today

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9 minutes ago, WR269 said:

It has all operation laws simulated. Systems are deeply simulated as well..

Last update I did, it still did not have custom failure controls....BUT....one flight i did, out of EDDT i hit a flock of birds on climb and lost engine two.

I started to lose hydraulics and associated systems, engine shut down and it went to alternate law..I provided the data to the developer and the got an explanation for every system...it is not a single layer of system, things are built to coordinate with each other just like a real aircraft. Yes I did get ECAM alerts, but at the time the developer stated he was working on adding ALL ECAM alerts that exist in the real A320, he just wasnt finished yet. I am not sure if it is completed now, I will have a look later today

Thank you for the information Will! 

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for those wondering about systems fidelity....this is a video of Beta version with a real Airbus Pilot as a guest.

 

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I've been excited for this release but at $A114, it's way over my budget, I'll be sticking with the IXEG 737 and the Zibo 737 for my airliner flying in XP11.

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