July 8, 20187 yr I see on some videos, at 500' pilot says "Stable" the other pilot sys cancel minimums. Please explain what is meant by this At 1000' callout pilot flying says "CHECK" what is he checking? Others at MINIMUM callout some say "continue", ,some say "landing" What is the difference and the purpose of this? Paul Gugliotta
July 8, 20187 yr 20 minutes ago, paulyg123 said: I see on some videos, at 500' pilot says "Stable" the other pilot sys cancel minimums. Please explain what is meant by this At 1000' callout pilot flying says "CHECK" what is he checking? Others at MINIMUM callout some say "continue", ,some say "landing" What is the difference and the purpose of this? All depends on the company and what their Standard Operating Procedure is. At my company the PM calls out the final approach fix and the altitude crossing. At 1000' the PF announces which runway we are assigned and landing at the PM confirms with a RWY XX checks. At minimums the PF announces their decision to either land "Landing" or a go-around. This is my company and every company is going to differ slightly in what they believe to be the proper phraseology to be used during approach to include a silent cockpit. Brian Thibodeaux | B747-400/8, C-130 Flight Engineer, CFI, Type Rated: BE190, DC-9 (MD-80), B747-400 My Liveries
July 8, 20187 yr Administrators I would equate Minimums to decision height....Do I land or add power, abort landing and go around. Check...what's he checking?? If it were me...probably if my shorts need changing. Maybe checking to see if I need another drink! 1000 feet to go and I gotta land this bird🍺 Minimums..continue..landing?? All has to do with decision height..go/no go! Charlie AronAVSIM Board of Directors-ADMIN/Moderator-RegistrarJust going to run a Chromebook and not upgrade to a Windows computer. Too many problems with the new Sims! 😱Trying to keep peace and harmony and the will of Landru on the site seems to be a full time job!
July 8, 20187 yr As Brian says, it is very airline dependent, however as a general rule most airlines will have stable approach 'gates' at 1000 and, sometimes, 500 feet: in other words, you must be fully configured, checklists complete, on speed, engines spooled, on path etc at 1000 ft aal (sometimes 1000 ft RA). Thus, the "ONE THOUSAND" call is a trigger to confirm that all the stable approach criteria have been met. "Check" is a very generic call you'll hear a lot in airline flight decks where some form of response/acknowledgement to a call is required -- you might be confirming that your radio altimeter is also showing 1000 ft, that the stable approach criteria are met and the aircraft's position, for instance. Confirms to the other guy that you're still alive/alert! Some airlines may have more positive calls and arguably "check" is often pretty useless for exactly the reason you asked your question -- "what are they checking?" -- exactly! Stating the observed value/switch position/system status, which forces you to actually positively look at and verify whatever it is you're meant to be verifying, is a much better way of communicating in many instances as opposed to an automatic "check". "Stable" is a call confirming the stable approach criteria are met -- again, this will depend on the 'gate' used by the airline. Some in VMC may have 1000 ft as a 'soft' gate where you may be allowed some leeway on speed, for example, provided all other criteria are met and the speed is coming back towards VApp (as this prevents unnecessary go-arounds if the speed is 3 kt above Vapp as the "ONE THOUSAND" call is made and the engines are just about to spool back up at 995 ft), with 500 ft as a "hard" gate where there is no discretion: in general in IMC 1000 ft becomes a "hard" gate though. 1 hour ago, paulyg123 said: Others at MINIMUM callout some say "continue", ,some say "landing" Again, this depends on your airline... this is an interesting one, though. Obviously the "MINIMUM"/"DECIDE" call is at DH/MDA for an instrument approach and the 'decision' that has to be made is "can I see the runway sufficiently to continue the approach?". Personally, I've always preferred "CONTINUE". Why? In a different thread recently I pointed out that a go-around remains an option right up to the point of thrust reverser deployment if for any reason the approach becomes unstable, the sight of the runway becomes obscured (imagine a low cloud/fog bank/sudden very heavy rain shower at low level below DH) or for any reason the approach just doesn't "look right". To that end, saying "CONTINUE" is a lot more neutral than stating "LANDING" -- which is heavily biased towards landing come what may. "CONTINUE", on the other hand, is a much better description of what is actually happening -- at this particular moment you can see enough to continue, and so you are until such time as either you land or go around. As they say -- the mindset should be that every approach is to a go-around. If you can land off it, it's a bonus! Simon Kelsey
July 9, 20187 yr Author Thank you skelsey for that detailed response. It helps me clear up a lot of unknown procedures. Paul Gugliotta
July 9, 20187 yr Very interesting thread. You can learn alot by going to Youtube and watching final approaches of airliners and corporate jets. Captain Moonbeam, who flies Citations for corporate customers, is one of my personal favorites to watch on youtube. You can get a good idea of what life is like for a corporate pilot, how they care for their jets, and what they do in their spare time before returning to their home airport (in the case of Captain Moonbeam his is in St. Louis). Captain Moonbeam did a great video of a trip to Napa, where I was raised and spent my young adulthood before I married and moved to Phoenix. John
July 10, 20187 yr Author I watch a ton of cockpit videos. That is why I am asking. I hear the check but wasn’t sure what they were checking Paul Gugliotta
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